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OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
October 08 2016 19:43 GMT
#107861
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 08 2016 19:44 GMT
#107862
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 08 2016 19:49 GMT
#107863
On October 09 2016 04:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/784840992734064641

Reality means nothing to him, he has been drinking his own Koolaid for years.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
October 08 2016 19:51 GMT
#107864
He's done pretty well and gotten pretty far by drinking his own koolaid. His irrational self belief, narcissism, and koolaid drinking drives his success, I wonder where he would be if he was a rational realist.
Question.?
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21783 Posts
October 08 2016 19:53 GMT
#107865
On October 09 2016 04:51 biology]major wrote:
He's done pretty well and gotten pretty far by drinking his own koolaid. His irrational self belief, narcissism, and koolaid drinking drives his success, I wonder where he would be if he was a rational realist.

Considering Hillary's unfavorability?
He could be leading the presidential race lol.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44584 Posts
October 08 2016 19:53 GMT
#107866
On October 09 2016 04:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/784840992734064641


Is there any legal way for the Republican Party to remove him, after he's won the primary? Or is it entirely his decision?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-08 19:55:11
October 08 2016 19:54 GMT
#107867
Life begins at nomination!

"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
October 08 2016 19:54 GMT
#107868
On October 09 2016 04:53 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2016 04:51 biology]major wrote:
He's done pretty well and gotten pretty far by drinking his own koolaid. His irrational self belief, narcissism, and koolaid drinking drives his success, I wonder where he would be if he was a rational realist.

Considering Hillary's unfavorability?
He could be leading the presidential race lol.


probably much wealthier
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44584 Posts
October 08 2016 19:55 GMT
#107869
On October 09 2016 04:53 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2016 04:51 biology]major wrote:
He's done pretty well and gotten pretty far by drinking his own koolaid. His irrational self belief, narcissism, and koolaid drinking drives his success, I wonder where he would be if he was a rational realist.

Considering Hillary's unfavorability?
He could be leading the presidential race lol.


He probably wouldn't have won the Republican primary though.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 08 2016 19:57 GMT
#107870
...

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
October 08 2016 19:59 GMT
#107871
I have a serious question. Where was the Republican Opposition Research a year ago? They all hated Trump and wanted to stop him at all costs but none of them could actually find any of this stuff until October?
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
October 08 2016 20:00 GMT
#107872
On October 09 2016 04:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2016 04:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/784840992734064641


Is there any legal way for the Republican Party to remove him, after he's won the primary? Or is it entirely his decision?


There is pretty much no way, even if he decided to step down, he may not be able to withdraw from the ticket.
+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/07/theres-no-longer-any-way-for-republicans-to-boot-donald-trump-from-the-ballot/?tid=pm_politics_pop_b


A Washington post article explaining the difficulty of last minute remplacement. Even a dead man was elected because of legal and administrative difficulty.
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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
October 08 2016 20:01 GMT
#107873
On October 09 2016 04:59 Adreme wrote:
I have a serious question. Where was the Republican Opposition Research a year ago? They all hated Trump and wanted to stop him at all costs but none of them could actually find any of this stuff until October?


Lol you think this was just "found" right now? This was the october surprise, and I expect more to be released. Now I see why HRC was so calm and confident even with all of her baggage. She just had to survive til now.
Question.?
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 08 2016 20:03 GMT
#107874
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9129 Posts
October 08 2016 20:03 GMT
#107875
On October 09 2016 05:01 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2016 04:59 Adreme wrote:
I have a serious question. Where was the Republican Opposition Research a year ago? They all hated Trump and wanted to stop him at all costs but none of them could actually find any of this stuff until October?


Lol you think this was just "found" right now? This was the october surprise, and I expect more to be released. Now I see why HRC was so calm and confident even with all of her baggage. She just had to survive til now.

Survive? She was well ahead before this story
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
October 08 2016 20:04 GMT
#107876
On October 09 2016 05:01 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2016 04:59 Adreme wrote:
I have a serious question. Where was the Republican Opposition Research a year ago? They all hated Trump and wanted to stop him at all costs but none of them could actually find any of this stuff until October?


Lol you think this was just "found" right now? This was the october surprise, and I expect more to be released. Now I see why HRC was so calm and confident even with all of her baggage. She just had to survive til now.


My question is why wasnt this found 8 months ago? All of these leaks over the past 24 hours after the big one seem like they were just waiting to be found.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 08 2016 20:05 GMT
#107877
None of the Republicans took Trump seriously until it was too late, really.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 08 2016 20:05 GMT
#107878
On October 09 2016 04:59 Adreme wrote:
I have a serious question. Where was the Republican Opposition Research a year ago? They all hated Trump and wanted to stop him at all costs but none of them could actually find any of this stuff until October?

They wanted his supporters to vote, so they couldn't alienate them by going down this road. Clinton and the Democrats do not have that problem.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3188 Posts
October 08 2016 20:06 GMT
#107879
Honest question about the optics on this hypothetical:

What if, at the debate tomorrow, Hillary refused to shake Trump's hand?

I don't think she'll do it, if only because it seems like an unnecessary risk when she's so ahead at this point. But how do you think it would play? Obviously his supporters will say she violated common courtesy and it's beyond the pale, while she would say Trump is a monster undeserving of common courtesy. On the one hand it would force Trump on the defensive and put a lot of conversation on the topic of "is Donald Trump a monster?" On the other hand you could imagine his side digging up pictures of her shaking hands with various world leaders, some of which might be very bad men, and that might look bad for her too.

I dunno, thoughts?
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 08 2016 20:06 GMT
#107880
Wow, Scott Adams blog at this is a fucking textbook case of denial

I’ll give you my thoughts, in no particular order.

1. If this were anyone else, the election would be over. But keep in mind that Trump doesn’t need to outrun the bear. He only needs to outrun his camping buddy. There is still plenty of time for him to dismantle Clinton. If you think things are interesting now, just wait. There is lots more entertainment coming.

2. This was not a Trump leak. No one would invite this sort of problem into a marriage.

3. I assume that publication of this recording was okayed by the Clinton campaign. And if not, the public will assume so anyway. That opens the door for Trump to attack in a proportionate way. No more mister-nice-guy. Gloves are off. Nothing is out of bounds. It is fair to assume that Bill and Hillary are about to experience the worst weeks of their lives.

4. If nothing new happens between now and election day, Clinton wins. The odds of nothing new happening in that timeframe is exactly zero.

5. I assume that 75% of male heads of state, including our own past presidents, are total dogs in their private lives. Like it or not, Trump is normal in that world.

6. As fictional mob boss Tony Soprano once said in an argument with his wife, “You knew what you were getting when you married me!” Likewise, Trump’s third wife, Melania, knew what she was getting. It would be naive to assume Trump violated their understanding.

7. Another rich, famous, tall, handsome married guy once told me that he can literally make-out and get handsy with any woman he wants, whether she is married or not, and she will be happy about it. I doubted his ridiculous claims until I witnessed it three separate times. So don’t assume the women were unwilling. (Has anyone come forward to complain about Trump?)

8. If the LGBTQ community wants to be a bit more inclusive, I don’t see why “polyamorous alpha male serial kisser” can’t be on the list. If you want to label Trump’s sexual behavior “abnormal” you’re on shaky ground.

9. Most men don’t talk like Trump. Most women don’t either. But based on my experience, I’m guessing a solid 20% of both genders say and do shockingly offensive things in private. Keep in mind that Billy Bush wasn’t shocked by it.

10. Most male Hollywood actors support Clinton. Those acting skills will come in handy because starting today they have to play the roles of people who do not talk and act exactly like Trump in private.

11. I’m adding context to the discussion, not condoning it. Trump is on his own to explain his behavior.

12. Clinton supporters hated Trump before this latest outrage. Trump supporters already assumed he was like this. Independents probably assumed it too. Before you make assumptions about how this changes the election, see if anyone you know changes their vote because of it. All I have seen so far is people laughing about it.

12. I hereby change my endorsement from Trump to Gary Johnson, just to get out of the blast zone. Others will be “parking” their vote with Johnson the same way. The “shy Trump supporter” demographic just tripled.

13. My prediction of a 98% chance of Trump winning stays the same. Clinton just took the fight to Trump’s home field. None of this was a case of clever strategy or persuasion on Trump’s part. But if the new battleground is spousal fidelity, you have to like Trump’s chances.

14. Trump wasn’t running for Pope. He never claimed moral authority. His proposition has been that he’s an asshole (essentially), but we need an asshole to fight ISIS, ignore lobbyists, and beat up Congress. Does it change anything to have confirmation that he is exactly what you thought he was?

My thoughts above have more to do with reason than persuasion. And that means you can ignore all of it because reason is not part of decision-making when it comes to politics. On the persuasion level, all that matters is whether this new development changes what you already assumed about Trump.

Personally, it didn’t change what I assumed about Trump’s personal life. Your mileage may vary.
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