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Read the rules in the OP before posting, please.

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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 08 2016 20:06 GMT
#107881
On October 09 2016 05:03 Nevuk wrote:

Damn. There is no way he can win without the RNC ground game. He has none of his own, so he has nothing.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 08 2016 20:07 GMT
#107882
Paul Ryan speaking.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22446 Posts
October 08 2016 20:07 GMT
#107883
On October 09 2016 04:57 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
...


I had this thought back when the Apprentice stuff came out. It had the quote about how a Camerawomen had a great ass, like his daughter.
And I just thought to myself 'Does any father talk about his daughter in sexual terms like that?'.
Your child is beautiful, its instinctual but not in a sexual sense. That's just wrong.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 08 2016 20:08 GMT
#107884
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
October 08 2016 20:09 GMT
#107885
Good, speaker ryan just needs to stick to policy. screw this noise.
Question.?
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 08 2016 20:11 GMT
#107886
On October 09 2016 04:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:

All these unendirsements are probably a bonus at this point, reminding Republican voters about how the establishment operates. He was never their guy. They made overtures for the sake of party unity appearance and their own survival (I'm anti establishment too!!!).

And Trump furthered their hold on the party by having his supporters vote for increased RNC power. Hilarious. Maybe he'll learn the political lesson now because he surely has seen the business analogue.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 08 2016 20:19 GMT
#107887
On October 09 2016 05:11 Danglars wrote:
Maybe he'll learn the political lesson now because he surely has seen the business analogue.

When people act like they like you, it's more likely because they want something from you than because they actually like you. And when you can't give that to them, they're more than willing to just abandon you. That's just as true in business as in politics.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 08 2016 20:19 GMT
#107888
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8990 Posts
October 08 2016 20:21 GMT
#107889
On October 09 2016 05:07 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2016 04:57 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
...

https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/784842212634943488

I had this thought back when the Apprentice stuff came out. It had the quote about how a Camerawomen had a great ass, like his daughter.
And I just thought to myself 'Does any father talk about his daughter in sexual terms like that?'.
Your child is beautiful, its instinctual but not in a sexual sense. That's just wrong.


Holy fucking hell...
You guys have that kind of bulshit on the radio!?

I mean wtf I want to go back to the time when I tough Trump talking about how big his hands are were the lowest he could go. Now we have him talking about his daughter ass, telling us he sexually assault women and saying he went to the dressing room of his miss universe context to "inspect" naked womens.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
October 08 2016 20:22 GMT
#107890
On October 09 2016 04:42 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2016 04:37 ticklishmusic wrote:

The 2016 fever dream continues.


Trump's campaign has managed to bring Skittles and Tic-Tacs into the political arena. What's next? Mars Bars? Reese's Pieces?
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
October 08 2016 20:26 GMT
#107891
On October 09 2016 05:11 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2016 04:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/784840992734064641

All these unendirsements are probably a bonus at this point, reminding Republican voters about how the establishment operates. He was never their guy. They made overtures for the sake of party unity appearance and their own survival (I'm anti establishment too!!!).

And Trump furthered their hold on the party by having his supporters vote for increased RNC power. Hilarious. Maybe he'll learn the political lesson now because he surely has seen the business analogue.


But the pure anti-establishment base can't win the election, he can dig in as deep as he wants. Driving mainline Conservatives and swing voters away means that he'll lose.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 08 2016 20:29 GMT
#107892
On October 09 2016 02:38 Titan107 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2016 02:29 zlefin wrote:
On October 09 2016 02:25 Titan107 wrote:
On October 09 2016 02:14 zlefin wrote:
titan -> do you vote on general capability to enact/design good policy, or on people who's policy choices align with yours?


After my post, there were 3 comments. 2 were Hillary supporters foaming at the mouth because I spoke against her, and the third was yours, a good question. So, I will respond to yours.

His policy choices align with mine and the direction I would like the country to take in the next 4 years. Immigration, education (removal of common core), foreign policy, and economy.

I could care less about social issues. I'd rather get the country profitable and growing before worrying about LGBT or gender issues.

are you concerned that his seeming lack of policy knowledge will hinder his ability to actually make useful policies once it gets down into the gritty details of implementation? or do you think that as long as he sets the general aim, others will be able to craft the details well enough?


I believe he is a smart individual in selecting successful people to work for him. No one really had Pence on the radar, but at the last debate he proved to be a strong VP candidate. Honestly, Pence isn't really liked in Indiana, but Trump selected him because he was a clear fit for the type of individual he wants in his inner circle. I believe Trump will continue this type of selection through his cabinet, which lines more along the, 'others will be able to craft the details well enough.'

On the other side, Tim Kaine was a pick just to secure Virginia in the electoral college. It was a political choice in which Hillary made to become elected. I find it interesting because the question you gave explains both candidates. Hillary will do back room deals to pass what they want, while Donald will hire more knowledgeable non-yes-men to correct issues plaguing this country.

Of course, this is how I perceive both candidates. Others may see it differently.

When people were talking about the short list for Trump, Pence was by and large the best of the bunch.

I'm mostly in agreement on your diagnosis of why to vote Trump on policy, though I'd add school choice for education. The LGBT shouldn't really be a forefront issue for the executive.

Shame about the eventual fuck-you martyring. Certainly tons of shitpost baiting in this thread and you gotta be more careful on the right side of the aisle with current moderation trends.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
October 08 2016 20:29 GMT
#107893
Well, if Trump manages to win with 0 ground game supplied by the RNC in the month before the election I think he can make a legitimate case for a divine mandate even if he is an atheist.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12475 Posts
October 08 2016 20:32 GMT
#107894
On October 09 2016 05:26 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2016 05:11 Danglars wrote:
On October 09 2016 04:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/784840992734064641

All these unendirsements are probably a bonus at this point, reminding Republican voters about how the establishment operates. He was never their guy. They made overtures for the sake of party unity appearance and their own survival (I'm anti establishment too!!!).

And Trump furthered their hold on the party by having his supporters vote for increased RNC power. Hilarious. Maybe he'll learn the political lesson now because he surely has seen the business analogue.


But the pure anti-establishment base can't win the election, he can dig in as deep as he wants. Driving mainline Conservatives and swing voters away means that he'll lose.


Wouldn't be surprised if most people were anti-establishment. A lot of them are just able to see that we shouldn't aspire to replace it with something even worse.
No will to live, no wish to die
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
October 08 2016 20:32 GMT
#107895
High ranking Republicans were pressured to endorse for a reason. It was necessary for a chance at winning. There isn't some revolution taking place.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
October 08 2016 20:35 GMT
#107896
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/schedule/

Looks like Pence has canceled all his events.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-08 20:41:20
October 08 2016 20:37 GMT
#107897
On October 09 2016 05:35 ticklishmusic wrote:
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/schedule/

Looks like Pence has canceled all his events.

Yep, he is abandoning ship.

Edit; And when all this started, Trump started doing well, I pointed out that he wanted to fuck his daughter. It still holds true, he would if he could.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
October 08 2016 20:41 GMT
#107898
I dunno what will actually happen if Pence straight-up drops out. Would he just pick a replacement VP?
CobaltBlu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States919 Posts
October 08 2016 20:42 GMT
#107899
Kaine's whole debate attack plan of 'you can't even defend him' seems prescient now.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 08 2016 20:43 GMT
#107900
Who did this leak come from, by the way?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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