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On July 17 2016 06:05 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2016 03:26 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 17 2016 03:16 Cowboy24 wrote:On July 17 2016 03:11 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:I do not know how to explain what I just watched.
It should be easy. Donald Trump introduced Indiana Governor Mike Pence as his running mate. There it is. One sentence. Eleven words. But that doesn’t explain what happened any better than "I spent a few hours letting lysergic acid diethylamide mimic serotonin in my brain" explains an acid trip. What just happened was weird, and it was important.
Back in May, EJ Dionne wrote that the hardest thing about covering Donald Trump would be "staying shocked." Watching him, day after day, week after week, month after month, the temptation would be to normalize his behavior, "to move Trump into the political mainstream."
But today helped. Donald Trump’s introduction of Mike Pence was shocking. Forget the political mainstream. What happened today sat outside the mainstream for normal human behavior.
It began in irony. Before Pence, before Trump, there was an empty podium, and the Rolling Stones blasting through the speakers. It had been widely reported that few top Republicans were willing to serve as Trump’s running mate. It had been widely reported that Trump was unsure about Pence, that he had regretted the decision almost as soon as he made it, that he had sought ways to reverse himself. Hours before the announcement, Trump tweeted that Pence was "my first choice from the start!", which is a thing presidential candidates typically do not need to say.
So there we were. Waiting for Trump and Pence to emerge. And what Rolling Stones song did the campaign choose? What did we all hear, over and over again, as we waited for Trump to introduce Mike Pence, his "first choice from the start!"?
"You can’t always get what you want..." Source That this kind of thing is considered valid political criticism is part of why Trump's people hate the media so much. This is pure fluff, and it doesn't have any true relevance other than as a hit piece. It doesn't even hit him on any substantial thing either. It's pure "optics". Blech.... The same people who think Trump is nothing but an unprofessional bully who unnecessarily uses person attacks to slander people are the same type of people sipping up shit like that like cool-aid completely oblivious to how hypocritical and biased they are. It's complete cuck logic to fault someone for fighting back when they're being attacked. They expect him to just play nice and take the attacks and turn the other cheek, then applaud Hillary or Obama when they go on in a speech bashing him. Most people are just incompetent when it comes to monitoring their personal cognitive biases. Your little "lol psychology cognitive bias" argument is really stupid. I get that you think the media is liberal, but you don't need to overreact and disbelieve everything that might be negative to Trump.
No, no, you see it's the virtue signalling regressive culturally marxist globalist cucks with cognitive bias that drank the kool-aid, unlike people that reach their opinions independently as seen from their perfectly normal vocabulary that definitely isn't comprised almost entirely of /pol/ buzzwords.
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On July 17 2016 06:54 Dan HH wrote:
it's the virtue signalling regressive culturally marxist globalist cucks
That's some high level r/The_Donald you have going on there.
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On July 17 2016 07:02 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2016 06:54 Dan HH wrote:
it's the virtue signalling regressive culturally marxist globalist cucks That's some high level r/The_Donald you have going on there.
The pseudo academic buzz words created by /Pol/ and r/The_Donald are amazing because they think they are real things and not shit they made up.
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On July 17 2016 06:05 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2016 03:26 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 17 2016 03:16 Cowboy24 wrote:On July 17 2016 03:11 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:I do not know how to explain what I just watched.
It should be easy. Donald Trump introduced Indiana Governor Mike Pence as his running mate. There it is. One sentence. Eleven words. But that doesn’t explain what happened any better than "I spent a few hours letting lysergic acid diethylamide mimic serotonin in my brain" explains an acid trip. What just happened was weird, and it was important.
Back in May, EJ Dionne wrote that the hardest thing about covering Donald Trump would be "staying shocked." Watching him, day after day, week after week, month after month, the temptation would be to normalize his behavior, "to move Trump into the political mainstream."
But today helped. Donald Trump’s introduction of Mike Pence was shocking. Forget the political mainstream. What happened today sat outside the mainstream for normal human behavior.
It began in irony. Before Pence, before Trump, there was an empty podium, and the Rolling Stones blasting through the speakers. It had been widely reported that few top Republicans were willing to serve as Trump’s running mate. It had been widely reported that Trump was unsure about Pence, that he had regretted the decision almost as soon as he made it, that he had sought ways to reverse himself. Hours before the announcement, Trump tweeted that Pence was "my first choice from the start!", which is a thing presidential candidates typically do not need to say.
So there we were. Waiting for Trump and Pence to emerge. And what Rolling Stones song did the campaign choose? What did we all hear, over and over again, as we waited for Trump to introduce Mike Pence, his "first choice from the start!"?
"You can’t always get what you want..." Source That this kind of thing is considered valid political criticism is part of why Trump's people hate the media so much. This is pure fluff, and it doesn't have any true relevance other than as a hit piece. It doesn't even hit him on any substantial thing either. It's pure "optics". Blech.... The same people who think Trump is nothing but an unprofessional bully who unnecessarily uses person attacks to slander people are the same type of people sipping up shit like that like cool-aid completely oblivious to how hypocritical and biased they are. It's complete cuck logic to fault someone for fighting back when they're being attacked. They expect him to just play nice and take the attacks and turn the other cheek, then applaud Hillary or Obama when they go on in a speech bashing him. Most people are just incompetent when it comes to monitoring their personal cognitive biases. Your little "lol psychology cognitive bias" argument is really stupid. I get that you think the media is liberal, but you don't need to overreact and disbelieve everything that might be negative to Trump.
'your argument is really stupid because (missing)'
'I get you think (insert something I don't actually think), but you don't need to (insert something I don't actually do)'
10/10
I've been criticizing Trump over his choice to pick Pence so you saying I disbelieve anything negative about him is wrong. My point was citing this as an example of him being a 'bad deal maker' was just disingenuous, and an example of anti-trumpers inclinations to bash him for the sole purpose of bashing him rather than pick-and-choose meaningful criticism from dishonest criticism.
The entire GOP is praising him for his selection it would be so easy for me to defend him on this too but I don't.
On July 17 2016 07:02 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2016 06:54 Dan HH wrote:
it's the virtue signalling regressive culturally marxist globalist cucks That's some high level r/The_Donald you have going on there.
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I think we all can agree that if you use cuck in your post no one will take you seriously.
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On July 17 2016 03:12 Cowboy24 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2016 02:50 Liquid`Drone wrote:
the master deal-maker and negotiator can't even pick his own vice president? Or is the problem that he wasn't able to convince whomever he actually wanted to play the part?
Note that I have no idea whether Trump actually wanted Pence or not, maybe he did. Maybe he's just trying to be ambiguous about this also, to allow those who don't like Pence to have the impression that Trump doesn't either. Or maybe the song selection is just completely random, and he really had to pee. I mean, he was standing next to Palin when she did her rambling endorsement - how could this be any worse? The problem is that the Republican party is not like the Democrat party and we don't have 99.9% of our leadership and politicians willing to march in total lockstep with the party line every single time. When Jeb Bush says he thinks Trump is unqualified, he's not lying like Bernie Sanders, playing the part of controlled opposition. He's actually saying he doesn't think Trump is qualified to be President. Now, he m
What makes you think that Bernie is lying when he says he thinks that Trump is unqualified to be president? A ton of people- especially politicians on both the Democratic and Republican sides- think that Trump is unqualified. Bernie has said repeatedly that he thinks Trump is unqualified. Why do you think Bernie actually believes otherwise?
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IF anything this week just assured me of Hillary taking this, she has probably what is going to be her biggest blow that she is going to take with the FBI hammering her and trump can just barely pull a parity is some polls. She is already starting to climb back as well. And even if they where to spilt the vote and these numbers held to election day Hillary would still win being she has such a big cushion in the electoral college. \Trump has to dominate to get 270 and cant even do that on what would be a near death blow to any other candidate was trump not so disliked himself.
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On July 17 2016 04:53 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2016 04:09 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 17 2016 03:57 On_Slaught wrote:On July 17 2016 03:54 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 17 2016 03:52 On_Slaught wrote:On July 17 2016 03:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 17 2016 03:36 Liquid`Drone wrote:
And GGTemplar, here's the thing. If he didn't want Pence, but was willing to accept him as part of extending an olive branch to the republican party (which is a perfectly fine interpretation of events seen in isolation), what's the deal with the petulancy? I've seen Trump endorse people before; he then uses language full of superlatives to install an impression that this guy is the best of the best. He's said more good things about Larry Kudlow than most people would hear in their funerals if not for being deceased. Now, he's coming off as unhappy about not getting whomever he personally really wanted.
Doesn't what you're concerned about act as further evidence that he isn't happy about it? It seems like he begrudgingly gave the GOP this choice when he would have preferred someone else, hence the 'petulant' attitude you take note of. If he was happy about this choice being his first choice, he would be praising him like he praises others. Regarding the criticism that he is to be faulted for this - I think you're better than most, for one, in your admission that you do have an anti-Trump bias. There's a fair way to criticize someone and an unfair way to criticize someone. Certain anti-Trumpers criticize Trump no matter what he does. If he had taken say General Flynn, the criticism would be something like 'see, he claims to be a good deal-maker but he can't even work with his own GOP party.' Taking who the GOP party wanted, he gets 'see, he claims to be a good deal-maker but he can't even convince the GOP to accept a deal of letting him pick the VP he wants.' You just can't win with some people. The right has people who do this to Obama/Clinton as well. I don't have any interest in this sort of circlejerking here if I want to see circlejerk politics I'll just go to the_Donald or Clinton subreddits. This was my criticism I'm sorry I didn't explain it better the first time. I was terrified that he was going to pick Flynn. Picking Pence has put my mind at ease. Watching some of the announcement they had together further confirms this belief. We still don't know who he 'wanted' to pick. It very well could have been Flynn, but it could have also been Gingrich or Christie. Just curious, why are you so objectionable to the idea of him picking Flynn? Because I think it could have brought a lot of independents to Trump. Flynn seems to be much more moderate. More importantly, I fully expect violence around the world to continue through November (the Nice attack putting this back in the spotlight for example), and picking a General would have played well for him. He could easily argue that he is better suited deal with the terror attacks having a literal General as his running mate, whether true or not. Furthermore, it helps with the whole "Law and Order Candidate" narrative. Oh so you were terrified of him picking Flynn because it would be better for Trump and make him more likely to win in November lol Is it even possible for Trump to change his mind at this point? Is he legally allowed to 'fire' Pence and choose another VP running mate? There's no way he can do that after saying Pence was his first choice all along. It would really taint the tattered remnants of his "honest, straightforward non-slave to the establishment" narrative to a degree that would be absurd.
His one out would be for the delegates at the convention to say "no we want X as your VP" but I think the consensus is that's basically how Pence got there in the first place.
I agree that Flynn would have been a better pick, Hillary's one angle on socially conservative independents is the notion that she's better to manage global conflict. Whether a general would actually be any better notwithstanding, he would have eaten that talking point alive.
The only way Pence makes sense to me, is that the recent shift in tone from the GOP (telling supporters they don't understand black life in America and need to shut up and listen more), was a precursor to Trump's hard shift "left". Pence is there to keep the red meat flowing to the base while Trump shifts "left" by embracing what essentially turns out to be neoliberal economic policy and ignoring socially conservative policy for Pence to comment on. Then just say "Pence is going to be VP" and move on.
As far as what actually would get passed under either Trump or Clinton, in my view, would be largely the same, either just telling their supporters that "this was the deal", "the deal" inevitably being a shift toward neoliberalism possibly with additional top end tax cuts if it's Trump.
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Any idea when Hillary is going to come with her VP pick?
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I expect that she'll wait until the convention, and in a strategic sense, I think that makes the most sense.
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People using the word "cuck" unironically on tl. Ripperinoes
I mean come on, are we on 4chan or what?
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On July 17 2016 07:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2016 03:12 Cowboy24 wrote:On July 17 2016 02:50 Liquid`Drone wrote:
the master deal-maker and negotiator can't even pick his own vice president? Or is the problem that he wasn't able to convince whomever he actually wanted to play the part?
Note that I have no idea whether Trump actually wanted Pence or not, maybe he did. Maybe he's just trying to be ambiguous about this also, to allow those who don't like Pence to have the impression that Trump doesn't either. Or maybe the song selection is just completely random, and he really had to pee. I mean, he was standing next to Palin when she did her rambling endorsement - how could this be any worse? The problem is that the Republican party is not like the Democrat party and we don't have 99.9% of our leadership and politicians willing to march in total lockstep with the party line every single time. When Jeb Bush says he thinks Trump is unqualified, he's not lying like Bernie Sanders, playing the part of controlled opposition. He's actually saying he doesn't think Trump is qualified to be President. Now, he m What makes you think that Bernie is lying when he says he thinks that Trump is unqualified to be president? A ton of people- especially politicians on both the Democratic and Republican sides- think that Trump is unqualified. Bernie has said repeatedly that he thinks Trump is unqualified. Why do you think Bernie actually believes otherwise?
I think (and Cowboy can correct me on this) that he's saying when there was that dust-up over Sanders saying Clinton was unqualified it was lying as controlled opposition, not that Sanders is lying when he says Trump is unqualified.
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On July 17 2016 08:30 Luolis wrote:
People using the word "cuck" unironically on tl. Ripperinoes
I mean come on, are we on 4chan or what?
Trump has influence of 4chan to the political discussion. They are one of the many wonderful section of the internet he bring out.
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On July 17 2016 08:42 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2016 08:30 Luolis wrote:
People using the word "cuck" unironically on tl. Ripperinoes
I mean come on, are we on 4chan or what? Trump has influence of 4chan to the political discussion. They are one of the many wonderful section of the internet he bring out.
Ironically it wasn't the Trump supporter who brought it into the thread here.
But let's continue whining about it for a few more pages it's amazing how everyone comes out of the woodworks to whine about it here and just ignored it when 'your team' used it
I'm starting to think this isn't a great place to actually discuss U.S. politics it's more of just a place to bash Trump and conservatives
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Donald Trump entered into a fundraising pact with the Republican National Committee to bolster his cash flow, but reports filed Friday night with the Federal Election Commission revealed that the party benefitted far more than Trump’s presidential campaign from a fundraising surge last month.
The two fundraising joint committees in which the presumptive Republican nominee’s campaign and the RNC are participating — Trump Victory and Trump Make America Great Again Committee — raised $32.4 million between their formation in late May and the end of last month, according to their FEC reports.
Of that, Trump Victory transferred only $2.2 million to Trump’s presidential campaign committee, as compared to $10.1 million to the RNC, though $5.8 million of that went to funds that can’t be used for campaign activity, and are earmarked instead for the party’s buildings and legal and convention expenses. Trump Victory didn’t transfer any money at all to the 11 state parties participating in it. Meanwhile, Trump Make America Great Again Committee, which comprises only the Trump campaign and the RNC, did not transfer any money to either.
Trump’s campaign announced it raised $19.9 million in donations last month, while the candidate pitched in another $3.8 million of his own cash. But the campaign won’t be required to disclose its finances to the FEC until next week, since it’s on a different filing schedule than the joint committees.
The FEC reports show that the joint committees finished last month with $18.3 million in the bank, most of which they will transfer to their component committees, but Trump’s campaign likely will only receive a small fraction of that and future donations. That’s because federal contribution limits cap donations to a campaign at $5,400, while a national party committee can accept donations as large as $334,000.
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On July 17 2016 08:56 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2016 08:42 Plansix wrote:On July 17 2016 08:30 Luolis wrote:
People using the word "cuck" unironically on tl. Ripperinoes
I mean come on, are we on 4chan or what? Trump has influence of 4chan to the political discussion. They are one of the many wonderful section of the internet he bring out. Ironically it wasn't the Trump supporter who brought it into the thread here. But let's continue whining about it for a few more pages
No, the first time I saw it thrown down by a Trump supporter and it is used often by a few of them, who admit they traffic 4chan.
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On July 17 2016 08:56 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2016 08:42 Plansix wrote:On July 17 2016 08:30 Luolis wrote:
People using the word "cuck" unironically on tl. Ripperinoes
I mean come on, are we on 4chan or what? Trump has influence of 4chan to the political discussion. They are one of the many wonderful section of the internet he bring out. Ironically it wasn't the Trump supporter who brought it into the thread here. But let's continue whining about it for a few more pages it's amazing how everyone comes out of the woodworks to whine about it here and just ignored it when 'your team' used it I'm starting to think this isn't a great place to actually discuss U.S. politics it's more of just a place to bash Trump and conservatives
Trump and the conservatives might want to make steps to looking like actual adults then. I have not seen anything proving that this guy would be a good choice for the US president and his supporters certainly aren't helping him.
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On July 17 2016 08:58 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2016 08:56 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 17 2016 08:42 Plansix wrote:On July 17 2016 08:30 Luolis wrote:
People using the word "cuck" unironically on tl. Ripperinoes
I mean come on, are we on 4chan or what? Trump has influence of 4chan to the political discussion. They are one of the many wonderful section of the internet he bring out. Ironically it wasn't the Trump supporter who brought it into the thread here. But let's continue whining about it for a few more pages No, the first time I saw it thrown down by a Trump supporter and it is used often by a few of them, who admit they traffic 4chan.
I haven't seen it used in the couple months I've been here until the non-Trump supporter threw it out
And no one gave a shit
Now it's a huge deal
Cry about it more.
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On July 17 2016 09:03 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2016 08:58 Plansix wrote:On July 17 2016 08:56 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 17 2016 08:42 Plansix wrote:On July 17 2016 08:30 Luolis wrote:
People using the word "cuck" unironically on tl. Ripperinoes
I mean come on, are we on 4chan or what? Trump has influence of 4chan to the political discussion. They are one of the many wonderful section of the internet he bring out. Ironically it wasn't the Trump supporter who brought it into the thread here. But let's continue whining about it for a few more pages No, the first time I saw it thrown down by a Trump supporter and it is used often by a few of them, who admit they traffic 4chan. I haven't seen it used in the couple months I've been here until the non-Trump supporter threw it out And no one gave a shit Now it's a huge deal Cry about it more.
You just used it last page rofl. I never said it's a huge deal, it just makes you guys look childish and straight outta 4chan.
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On July 17 2016 08:58 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2016 08:56 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 17 2016 08:42 Plansix wrote:On July 17 2016 08:30 Luolis wrote:
People using the word "cuck" unironically on tl. Ripperinoes
I mean come on, are we on 4chan or what? Trump has influence of 4chan to the political discussion. They are one of the many wonderful section of the internet he bring out. Ironically it wasn't the Trump supporter who brought it into the thread here. But let's continue whining about it for a few more pages No, the first time I saw it thrown down by a Trump supporter and it is used often by a few of them, who admit they traffic 4chan.
"Cuck" is dead on 4chan. It is now just part of the core of shitposting/satire that makes up 90% of the garbage containment boards. Anyone who says it unironically at this point is having trouble discerning memes from reality.
t. 4chan user.
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