On October 13 2012 17:11 knOxStarcraft wrote: You realize you just said a 15 year old who was both physically and mentally assaulted, made the most "retarded" choice out of hundreds of choices? Just read that over to yourself a couple of times and really comprehend what you've posted on a public forum. Quite fucking clearly from the perspective of an adult who isn't being bullied there are other options for a girl like Amanda, but she was 15, with a broken family and no friends... So before you call others "flaming nerds without any knowledge about human society", maybe you should learn to be more empathetic. And ffs show some respect for the dead, asshole.
lolz at you people white knighting a dead girl on a starcraft forum. I can't feel empathy for someone who take their own life, might be because of my religious views or because of the way I was raised up and I especially can't feel empathy for a 13 years old camwhore.
A kid dies in Africa because of hunger every 27 seconds. We should have empathy for them. They didn't have a choice or a chance. She had both and she was too retarded to see it.
If you can't feel empathy for a 15 year old who made some mistakes, and killed herself, then you're a sick, sick human being.
Dude mistake at 15 y/o is when you forget your homework at home, when you don't prepare enough for test at school or when you dont do the dishes before your parents come back from work. If you do drugs, drink alcohol and show your body to strangers online, what do you expect seriously
I'm sure she didn't expect to be stalked and fucking bullied to death; is that what you think someone should expect? And do you even know what empathy means?
On October 13 2012 17:59 SigmaoctanusIV wrote: Maybe I was 100% oblivious but my high school experience was incredibly tame. I can't imagine an entire school going against someone for sharing naked photos of someone. It has been 6 years since I was in high school but damn have things really changed that much?
It may be certain districts + relation to socioeconomical status as well. My school down in Australia was one of the best with pretty much a near 95% of people getting into University, and we were relatively tight-knit, but I've heard of schools in lower SES areas that have nearly a 50% drop-out rate after Year 10
EDIT: And some people need to get priorities right, or learn to say "It's sad that a girl has lost her life" and say nothing more after that. Post things in what you would say in real life
On October 13 2012 17:38 Smug wrote: However we have a very tinted version of the story and I want you all to remember that. Yes her bullies were very much in the wrong and that is beyond doubt. But I think Amanda Todd is much less someone who was severely depressed, more a teenager that got herself into a state over the events that occurred and made a decision to end her life in the heat of the moment.
"In the heat of the moment"? This went on long enough for her to switch schools and move multiple times. With no friends, severe depression, relentless hate that followed her wherever she went, and no hope to move on from her mistakes, do you really think she simply worked herself up and just kinda decided to commit suicide?
As for my thoughts, I think she was stupid and did stupid things, but I can sort of see that if she had no friends and nobody who liked her at all, combined with her damaged mental health, she would've definitely been easily manipulated by the guy she ended up sleeping with. It's a combination of teenage stupidity, loneliness and desperation. Yes, a retarded move to make, but explainable.
More importantly, these people are disgusting wastes of space and it makes me sick. Won't anything happen to them? I hope to god there are consequences for them.
Any death like this is tragic, and those who can't feel even a shred of empathy because people dying is commonplace or because there are deaths in Africa every few seconds are fast losing respect from me.
On October 13 2012 17:11 knOxStarcraft wrote: You realize you just said a 15 year old who was both physically and mentally assaulted, made the most "retarded" choice out of hundreds of choices? Just read that over to yourself a couple of times and really comprehend what you've posted on a public forum. Quite fucking clearly from the perspective of an adult who isn't being bullied there are other options for a girl like Amanda, but she was 15, with a broken family and no friends... So before you call others "flaming nerds without any knowledge about human society", maybe you should learn to be more empathetic. And ffs show some respect for the dead, asshole.
lolz at you people white knighting a dead girl on a starcraft forum. I can't feel empathy for someone who take their own life, might be because of my religious views or because of the way I was raised up and I especially can't feel empathy for a 13 years old camwhore.
A kid dies in Africa because of hunger every 27 seconds. We should have empathy for them. They didn't have a choice or a chance. She had both and she was too retarded to see it.
If you can't feel empathy for a 15 year old who made some mistakes, and killed herself, then you're a sick, sick human being.
Dude mistake at 15 y/o is when you forget your homework at home, when you don't prepare enough for test at school or when you dont do the dishes before your parents come back from work. If you do drugs, drink alcohol and show your body to strangers online, what do you expect seriously
I'm sure she didn't expect to be stalked and fucking bullied to death; is that what you think someone should expect? And do you even know what empathy means?
Im pretty sure she didnt expect it, but for me it's not suprising she was stalked. And I really don't see it as she was bullied to death. She commited suicide. As I see it, it is story of spoiled brat who thought you can live your life without consequences and do whatever you want, but when she got tasted of real world she couldn't handle it. This is how morality works. If you misbehave and do something that is wrong, you won't go to jail (thats how law works), but instead you are going to be treated like trash (thats how morality works). The worse your behaviour the worse reaction from your surroundings. It's something natural and it prevents most people from doing whatever they want, because they fear they gonna be exiled from society. But some people just have to force it i guess.
On October 13 2012 04:23 killa_robot wrote: Watched the video now....
She made so many damn mistakes. Flashed random people online, slept with a guy who had a girlfriend (granted he was at fault there too) and then lied to protect him (srsly?). Granted, the bullying was undeserved, and I feel sorry for her for that, but it's really hard to sympathize with her when she just continued to make the same mistakes and then was stupid enough to kill herself.
*Sigh
We live in a world where people are way too fucked up, and too many people are okay with it/ignore it. We're being killed by apathy.
It was sad that she died but really go over to that guys house ? I don't understand that I feel like she knew it was a bad idea and did it anyway knowing exactly what was going to happen. That just seems outrageous , Its sad how little teenagers respect themselves to go and do that with someone who was clearly out to get laid. It makes me so angry .
I was bullied as a kid cause of my aspergers and tried to kill myself when I was 17 but I realized how stupid and selfish I was being. I really got a wake-up call and realized I really wanted to live so I made an effort to change things and stopped doing activieies or versions of them that got me bullied in the first place.
On October 13 2012 17:11 knOxStarcraft wrote: You realize you just said a 15 year old who was both physically and mentally assaulted, made the most "retarded" choice out of hundreds of choices? Just read that over to yourself a couple of times and really comprehend what you've posted on a public forum. Quite fucking clearly from the perspective of an adult who isn't being bullied there are other options for a girl like Amanda, but she was 15, with a broken family and no friends... So before you call others "flaming nerds without any knowledge about human society", maybe you should learn to be more empathetic. And ffs show some respect for the dead, asshole.
lolz at you people white knighting a dead girl on a starcraft forum. I can't feel empathy for someone who take their own life, might be because of my religious views or because of the way I was raised up and I especially can't feel empathy for a 13 years old camwhore.
A kid dies in Africa because of hunger every 27 seconds. We should have empathy for them. They didn't have a choice or a chance. She had both and she was too retarded to see it.
If you can't feel empathy for a 15 year old who made some mistakes, and killed herself, then you're a sick, sick human being.
Dude mistake at 15 y/o is when you forget your homework at home, when you don't prepare enough for test at school or when you dont do the dishes before your parents come back from work. If you do drugs, drink alcohol and show your body to strangers online, what do you expect seriously
I'm sure she didn't expect to be stalked and fucking bullied to death; is that what you think someone should expect? And do you even know what empathy means?
Im pretty sure she didnt expect it, but for me it's not suprising she was stalked. And I really don't see it as she was bullied to death. She commited suicide. As I see it, it is story of spoiled brat who thought you can live your life without consequences and do whatever you want, but when she got tasted of real world she couldn't handle it. This is how morality works. If you misbehave and do something that is wrong, you won't go to jail (thats how law works), but instead you are going to be treated like trash (thats how morality works). The worse your behaviour the worse reaction from your surroundings. It's something natural and it prevents most people from doing whatever they want, because they fear they gonna be exiled from society. But some people just have to force it i guess.
I wish that our society, that the circumstances surrounding her death, and that everything she did and that others did, didn't result in her death. At a very proximal level, obviously suicide is "her fault", but this fails to capture the full picture of what's going on. She made bad decisions, yes, but bad things also happened to her, and she felt that there was no way out. Whatever happened, she didn't deserve this. Whatever your personal beliefs about morality are, obviously something should have gone differently here. Whether an intervention from her parents, mental health professionals, or a concerned friend should have happened, the implication of blame on her I perceive in your posting is terrible. Everyone is at least partially at fault for their actions-- but nobody deserves to be driven to suicide.
Some people here make me really sick. Even after her death, yes i know it was a suicide, she gets blamed for everything she has done? Does she really deserve so much hatred? Damn it some of you must really detest her, because she committed suicide. I know it's not ok, but don't judge her so easily. I am also aware of her stupid mistakes but this: "Oh you're getting bullied in your school and on the Internet? Deal with it!, "Everyone hates you? Deal with it!", "Oh you have Borderline personality disorder, Depressions and a drug problem? Deal with it!", "Nobody helped you? Deal with it!", "You committed suicide? Ahhh now i hate you even more. Have some respect for the people who don't have a choice like the kids in Africa stupid whore."
On October 13 2012 18:45 Undecan wrote: Some people here make me really sick. Even after her death, yes i know it was a suicide, she gets blamed for everything she has done? Does she really deserve so much hatred? Damn it some of you must really detest her, because she committed suicide. I know it's not ok, but don't judge her so easily. I am also aware of her stupid mistakes but this: "Oh you're getting bullied in your school and on the Internet? Deal with it!, "Everyone hates you? Deal with it!", "Oh you have Borderline personality disorder, Depressions and a drug problem? Deal with it!", "Nobody helped you? Deal with it!", "You committed suicide? Ahhh now i hate you even more. Have some respect for the people who don't have a choice like the kids in Africa stupid whore."
Dammit is the whole world a fucking nightmare?
Thats not what people are saying , lots of the people who are coming off as negative is because she engaged in questionable actions even after she got in trouble for doing the exact same thing prior.
On October 13 2012 04:20 AllHailTheDead wrote: the loss of life is sad and all but......I think this girl is just stupid.....
let me show my boobs to people on the internet(herp derp) let me give this guy a show so he can make a video(herp derp) let me go over to this guys house who told me his girlfriend is on vacation(and then she acts like it was his fault "he hooked up with me" no sounds like your just an attention whore......)
also sounds like she has no respect for other people and doesnt give a shit
no smart girl would go have sex with a guy when they have a girlfriend obviously they dont care about you
and if I was the other girl I would prob beat her up at school also for being a hoe
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Holy cow, why does he get temp banned?! It is the freaking truth. I understand how this made her sad and depressed and her life took really unfortunate turns. However, she brought that on her own 100%. It is not bullying to be pissed after someone fucks your boyfriend. Showing her tits to some stranger you meet on the internet was a bad idea... who would have thought. What happened after she did that was incredible mean and should have gotten punished, still there was a real easy way to prevent that from happening. Don't Show Your Boobs To Strangers!
Nobody deserves to be treated the way she was treated. Of course she did some stupid stuff and was bullied therefore, but bullying her EVEN after she switched schools is simply sick. Nobody deserves to be bullied EVERYWHERE for the rest of her life. If you can even be save after moving to a different place then i can definitely understand why she suicided although i dont agree with the solution.
Still dont understand why she didnt call the police though.
On October 13 2012 18:56 Bam Lee wrote: Nobody deserves to be treated the way she was treated. Of course she did some stupid stuff and was bullied therefore, but bullying her EVEN after she switched schools is simply sick. Nobody deserves to be bullied EVERYWHERE for the rest of her life. If you can even be save after moving to a different place then i can definitely understand why she suicided although i dont agree with the solution.
Still dont understand why she didnt call the police though.
No but repeating actions that caused the problem and not learning from mistakes she made doesn't help Also if social media is the way they are getting a hold of you to bully you DISABLE IT . She didn't try to solve the problem take away the power of the bully over you don't let him keep getting a hold of you on facebook.
Wow isn't it nice to see a whole bunch of twenty-something year old guys bashing on a 14 year old girl. Do you guys realise that you are no better than the bullies that lead her to her suicide. In fact you are even worse, because at least they have the defense of being young and immature.
What an awful thought to think that a girls life was ruined by a relatively tiny mistake. And yet you say that she deserved what happened to her? I can imagine that would have been the exact same mentality of the bullies that were bullying her as well.
If you think she deserved what happened to her, or that she is a bad person for committing suicide, then you are a really sad individual and I feel sorry for you.
Boo Hoo .. There are people in this world suffering far worse than being bullied and having no friends. How about children that suffer from diseases and famine, while having no access to food or meds. How about children that lose their arms and legs through bombs over a war, they know nothing about yet. And here is this perfectly healthy girl, throwing her life away over something stupid like that. Sorry, but I cannot have any sympathy for people who cannot value what they have in life, and instead decide to waste it. With all due respect - society's better off without people like that.
TL;DR: When I see one more pathetic attentionwhore and/or depressive fool, making youtube videos with cards in their hands, telling us how bad their lifes are, I swear to god, I am gonna start killing them off myself.
This is why parents need to survey their kids activities online, and I am not thinking in particular on Amanda Todd, but those people who feel like they need to bully others.
So many people are horrible online, because they somehow do not think it is real people and real feelings they are dealing with, and they themselves suffer from self-loathing, but walk a path to bully. A lot carry this to off line as well. I think one of the contributors is that parents feel bullying is a problem society needs to deal with, rather than act pro-actively, and take care of their kids, and realize their kids are so ashamed to tell them what is going on.
This is very sad - and not only when it comes to this kind of end.
On October 13 2012 19:35 TemNoc wrote: Boo Hoo .. There are people in this world suffering far worse than being bullied and having no friends. How about children that suffer from diseases and famine, while having no access to food or meds. How about children that lose their arms and legs through bombs over a war, they know nothing about yet. And here is this perfectly healthy girl, throwing her life away over something stupid like that. Sorry, but I cannot have any sympathy for people who cannot value what they have in life, and instead decide to waste it. With all due respect - society's better off without people like that.
TL;DR: When I see one more pathetic attentionwhore and/or depressive fool, making youtube videos with cards in their hands, telling us how bad their lifes are, I swear to god, I am gonna start killing them off myself.
I agree, but you cannot explain that to spoiled teenager that parents do everything for, they believe they live in world where sun revolves around them...
This is one sad story, from many aspects and questioning many social and moral.
On October 13 2012 19:35 TemNoc wrote: Boo Hoo .. There are people in this world suffering far worse than being bullied and having no friends. How about children that suffer from diseases and famine, while having no access to food or meds. How about children that lose their arms and legs through bombs over a war, they know nothing about yet. And here is this perfectly healthy girl, throwing her life away over something stupid like that. Sorry, but I cannot have any sympathy for people who cannot value what they have in life, and instead decide to waste it. With all due respect - society's better off without people like that.
TL;DR: When I see one more pathetic attentionwhore and/or depressive fool, making youtube videos with cards in their hands, telling us how bad their lifes are, I swear to god, I am gonna start killing them off myself.
I agree that her actions brought it on her self but it is a sad loss of life.
p.s. Don't make claims that your going to go hunt down kids who get bullied and kill them Kthnx
On October 13 2012 19:35 TemNoc wrote: Boo Hoo .. There are people in this world suffering far worse than being bullied and having no friends. How about children that suffer from diseases and famine, while having no access to food or meds. How about children that lose their arms and legs through bombs over a war, they know nothing about yet. And here is this perfectly healthy girl, throwing her life away over something stupid like that. Sorry, but I cannot have any sympathy for people who cannot value what they have in life, and instead decide to waste it. With all due respect - society's better off without people like that.
TL;DR: When I see one more pathetic attentionwhore and/or depressive fool, making youtube videos with cards in their hands, telling us how bad their lifes are, I swear to god, I am gonna start killing them off myself.
You do understand that depression is a disease right? That it affects how you behave and affects how you feel and in most cases requres proffesional medical treatment? TLDR - you disgust me.
Im sorry for this girl, she made some bad mistakes and was obviously unable to resolve issues that did arise after that.
On October 13 2012 19:35 TemNoc wrote: Boo Hoo .. There are people in this world suffering far worse than being bullied and having no friends. How about children that suffer from diseases and famine, while having no access to food or meds. How about children that lose their arms and legs through bombs over a war, they know nothing about yet. And here is this perfectly healthy girl, throwing her life away over something stupid like that. Sorry, but I cannot have any sympathy for people who cannot value what they have in life, and instead decide to waste it. With all due respect - society's better off without people like that.
TL;DR: When I see one more pathetic attentionwhore and/or depressive fool, making youtube videos with cards in their hands, telling us how bad their lifes are, I swear to god, I am gonna start killing them off myself.
-_- Jeez they sure have a lot in life.
Is social isolation comparable to children suffering from diseases and famine? No, of course not, but just because there is something worse doesn't mean that it isn't horrible in it's own right and psychological diseases are very very real. The human mind is both amazing and frightening, people left isolated with nobody to support you will just spiral downwards.
I just don't feel any sympathy for her, at all. She made so many mistakes and probably expected no consequences to come from said mistakes. Yes, she is immature and yes, teens can be cruel, but I just can't understand how somebody can throw their life away for stupid reasons that nobody will remember after highschool. Parents must feel devastated but they are to blame aswell, I don't think they reacted well to the fact that she tried to drink bleach in her first attempt.
This is coming from somebody who got bullied nonstop for reasons I had no control over, I fell in depression and I had suicide toughts very often. It's hard to hang on, but for fuck sakes, don't be so selfish, think about your parents, people that actually care about you and not those bullies who are basicly more insecure than you will ever be.
Now, one thing that's really kind of pissing me off and it is kinda off topic, but many people, especially in the "RIP Amanda Todd" facebook page are all "sad" about her dying writing RIP everywhere and poems and such. The hypocrisy (spelling?) oozing from that page is just sickening and probably half of the people in there a) never got bullied or b) were the bullies themselves.
I guess that's about it. Sorry for the terrible grammar and spelling.
You do understand that depression is a disease right? That it affects how you behave and affects how you feel and in most cases requres proffesional medical treatment? TLDR - you disgust me.
No. AIDS is a disease. Malaria is a disease. Cholera is a disease. Depression is a state of mind, resulting from the person affected being unable to deal with its surroundings and/or life itself.
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