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On October 07 2012 07:48 iamho wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 07:43 oBlade wrote:On October 07 2012 07:34 iamho wrote:
A 14 year old girl is not comparable to any of the things you named above. Do I seriously need to explain why? Yes, you have to actually explain yourself because it has been illegal for men to have sex with men, and for people to have sex with blacks in the past (and although I don't know of any laws against having sex with Jews in their thousands of years of history, I'd be surprised if one didn't exist at some point). These laws all did nothing but criminalize people's private lives. I wasn't talking about the law. A 14 year old is still a child who doesn't understand anything about the world, and its wrong for an adult to take advantage of a child.
Okay, let's run with this. We'll say 16 year olds are adults and below that are children. So a 16 year old can't take advantage of that 14 year old. Maybe when he turns 15? Wait, that still falls under "child." What if his birthday is Cinco de Mayo? Can they have sex on May 4th? No, that would be taking advantage... but one day later they both qualify as adults who fully understand all the consequences of all their actions perfectly.
But suppose they both become legal, and as it turns out, breathing air for a certain number of years doesn't necessarily make you brighter, and they feel bad about some of the consequences of their sex, like they both became pregnant. That's okay, because they were adults. Whether you know it or not, you're basically just repeating law. If you think there's NOBODY below whatever the miracle "adult" age who is responsible enough to control their own body, then you should justify that without being circular. If you believe that the person one day before their 16th or 18th or whatever birthday isn't responsible but a day later becomes responsible, I'd like you to explain why. If you believe the person actually could be mature enough, but they should just wait the extra day, then you're supporting an arbitrary law. In that case, I ask you, what is the law for?
Let alone the poor guy who the day before his 18th birthday is in a normal relationship with a peer but after turning 18 is suddenly in a position where he's just taking advantage of a child.
On October 07 2012 08:20 iamho wrote:
FFS, 14 year olds cannot work,
Yep, they can.
cannot drive,
In parts of the US and Canada, they can get learner's permits.
cannot vote,
In a lot of cases they would probably vote the same way as their parents. This would bias the election towards a certain political group if they were causally linked to having more children. This is similar to adopting your parents' religion. Also, various countries have voting ages of 16.
cannot fight in wars,
Some countries go down to 16. At various points in history, armies have welcomed/forced youth into their ranks, but that's disanalogous, because nobody is advocating raping teenagers ad libitum. Both that and forced conscription are forms of abuse. Mainly, youth don't have the most robust bodies so government money is better spent creating a slightly older, but still highly impressionable, soldier.
cannot get rents, cannot get mortgages, cannot do anything in our society.
Those things all require income beyond the skill set of a 14 year old anyways. However, people have received bachelor's degrees at a younger age than that. Why does being unable to prove financial responsibility for a 30 year mortgage disqualify you from getting naked with someone else for 30 minutes?
They are still going through puberty and do not have anything close to physically developed brains.
Everybody grows as they get older. Lots of people who are adults are still imbeciles, but it's not illegal for them to have sex.
We do not live in caveman times, 14 year olds are more children than they are adults.
Puberty hits at different times, but mostly 14 year olds are sexually viable.
Regarding your point about the 14 year old having sex with an adult woman: Only teenage kids think this kind of shit is okay, it is disgusting and the woman should end up in jail.
Okay, you think it's disgusting. Noted. We won't send you invitations to be a part of it. That's not relevant to you wanting to tell other people what to do with their private lives. How about if they have sex with other "children?" Maybe someone one day before her 18th birthday?
I'm fairly certain the vast majority of society would agree with me.
This is an argumentum ad populum.
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On October 07 2012 08:44 iamho wrote:
I think I get it. Some people here are upset because they're 14-18 year olds and think I'm personally offending them. Here's the truth: you're not mature. Having a big vocabulary does not make you mature, having an opinion on politics does not make you mature, watching Carl Sagan videos on youtube does not make you mature. If this doesn't apply to you I apologize, but this damn well applies to the average Redditor, and probably has something to do with the fact that they think its okay to have sex with a 14 year old.
That's quite likely the case. I pondered the same thing before I finished my post. For anyone to seriously believe that a normal 14 year old female, or male for that matter is remotely finished developing mentally really confused me. And a lot of these posts are coming off defensive to me.
Keep in mind in your future posts if this is the case debating with logic and reasoning is futile.
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On October 07 2012 08:48 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 08:44 iamho wrote:
I think I get it. Some people here are upset because they're 14-18 year olds and think I'm personally offending them. Here's the truth: you're not mature. Having a big vocabulary does not make you mature, having an opinion on politics does not make you mature, watching Carl Sagan videos on youtube does not make you mature. If this doesn't apply to you I apologize, but this damn well applies to the average Redditor, and probably has something to do with the fact that they think its okay to have sex with a 14 year old. That's quite likely the case. I pondered the same thing before I finished my post. For anyone to seriously believe that a normal 14 year old female, or male for that matter is remotely finished developing mentally really confused me. And a lot of these posts are coming off defensive to me.
Sex is a part of growing up. Nobody has claimed 14 year olds' brains aren't changing.
The argument is similar to saying it's impossible to be a mature pianist unless you're an adult. That may be true, but you are going to be a damn sight worse than everyone else if you never practiced until your 18th birthday.
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On October 07 2012 08:52 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 08:48 heliusx wrote:On October 07 2012 08:44 iamho wrote:
I think I get it. Some people here are upset because they're 14-18 year olds and think I'm personally offending them. Here's the truth: you're not mature. Having a big vocabulary does not make you mature, having an opinion on politics does not make you mature, watching Carl Sagan videos on youtube does not make you mature. If this doesn't apply to you I apologize, but this damn well applies to the average Redditor, and probably has something to do with the fact that they think its okay to have sex with a 14 year old. That's quite likely the case. I pondered the same thing before I finished my post. For anyone to seriously believe that a normal 14 year old female, or male for that matter is remotely finished developing mentally really confused me. And a lot of these posts are coming off defensive to me. Sex is a part of growing up. Nobody has claimed 14 year olds' brains aren't changing. The argument is similar to saying it's impossible to be a mature pianist unless you're an adult. That may be true, but you are going to be a damn sight worse than everyone else if you never practiced until your 18th birthday.
I have not made any stance besides I believe it's wrong for an emotionally developed adult to take advantage of a 14 year old girl. There is absolutely nothing wrong with children having sex with each other. Don't get the wrong idea I'm not some religiously motivated person. I just think the vast majority of 14 year olds are not fully capable of realizing the situation. And since that is the case there must be laws in place to protect them. Regardless of the fact that 14 year olds who do realize may or may not exist.
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On October 07 2012 08:52 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 08:48 heliusx wrote:On October 07 2012 08:44 iamho wrote:
I think I get it. Some people here are upset because they're 14-18 year olds and think I'm personally offending them. Here's the truth: you're not mature. Having a big vocabulary does not make you mature, having an opinion on politics does not make you mature, watching Carl Sagan videos on youtube does not make you mature. If this doesn't apply to you I apologize, but this damn well applies to the average Redditor, and probably has something to do with the fact that they think its okay to have sex with a 14 year old. That's quite likely the case. I pondered the same thing before I finished my post. For anyone to seriously believe that a normal 14 year old female, or male for that matter is remotely finished developing mentally really confused me. And a lot of these posts are coming off defensive to me. Sex is a part of growing up. Nobody has claimed 14 year olds' brains aren't changing. The argument is similar to saying it's impossible to be a mature pianist unless you're an adult. That may be true, but you are going to be a damn sight worse than everyone else if you never practiced until your 18th birthday.
And let's not forget that there are plenty of kids who can sing, dance, and act on levels far beyond adults.
People really underestimate the youth. They do stupid things, but they're more than capable of critical thought.
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On October 07 2012 08:57 Spawkuring wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 08:52 oBlade wrote:On October 07 2012 08:48 heliusx wrote:On October 07 2012 08:44 iamho wrote:
I think I get it. Some people here are upset because they're 14-18 year olds and think I'm personally offending them. Here's the truth: you're not mature. Having a big vocabulary does not make you mature, having an opinion on politics does not make you mature, watching Carl Sagan videos on youtube does not make you mature. If this doesn't apply to you I apologize, but this damn well applies to the average Redditor, and probably has something to do with the fact that they think its okay to have sex with a 14 year old. That's quite likely the case. I pondered the same thing before I finished my post. For anyone to seriously believe that a normal 14 year old female, or male for that matter is remotely finished developing mentally really confused me. And a lot of these posts are coming off defensive to me. Sex is a part of growing up. Nobody has claimed 14 year olds' brains aren't changing. The argument is similar to saying it's impossible to be a mature pianist unless you're an adult. That may be true, but you are going to be a damn sight worse than everyone else if you never practiced until your 18th birthday. And let's not forget that there are plenty of kids who can sing, dance, and act on levels far beyond adults. People really underestimate the youth. They do stupid things, but they're more than capable of critical thought.
Prime example of a post that comes off as defensive. It's not that people underestimate the youth. It's that they have the benefit of once being a youth and also of being an adult. And as an adult they recognize the irrational mind set that comes with being a child.
Being talented in something has literally zero bearing on a persons ability to be developed emotionally. So I'm not sure why this is being brought up.
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On October 07 2012 09:09 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 08:57 Spawkuring wrote:On October 07 2012 08:52 oBlade wrote:On October 07 2012 08:48 heliusx wrote:On October 07 2012 08:44 iamho wrote:
I think I get it. Some people here are upset because they're 14-18 year olds and think I'm personally offending them. Here's the truth: you're not mature. Having a big vocabulary does not make you mature, having an opinion on politics does not make you mature, watching Carl Sagan videos on youtube does not make you mature. If this doesn't apply to you I apologize, but this damn well applies to the average Redditor, and probably has something to do with the fact that they think its okay to have sex with a 14 year old. That's quite likely the case. I pondered the same thing before I finished my post. For anyone to seriously believe that a normal 14 year old female, or male for that matter is remotely finished developing mentally really confused me. And a lot of these posts are coming off defensive to me. Sex is a part of growing up. Nobody has claimed 14 year olds' brains aren't changing. The argument is similar to saying it's impossible to be a mature pianist unless you're an adult. That may be true, but you are going to be a damn sight worse than everyone else if you never practiced until your 18th birthday. And let's not forget that there are plenty of kids who can sing, dance, and act on levels far beyond adults. People really underestimate the youth. They do stupid things, but they're more than capable of critical thought. Prime example of a post that comes off as defensive. It's not that people underestimate the youth. It's that they have the benefit of once being a youth and also of being an adult. And as an adult they recognize the irrational mind set that comes with being a child. Being talented in something has literally zero bearing on a persons ability to be developed emotionally. So I'm not sure why this is being brought up.
Pretty much everybody looks back on their youth and thinks about how stupid they acted. Doesn't mean I advocate prohibiting them from doing something unless they're 100% developed. In all honesty, 16 year olds aren't fully developed to drive, but we still let them because they gotta get experience sometime. Sex in general is safer when kids are educated about it sooner rather than later, and I'd much rather fix sex-related problems with education rather than creating situations where 18 year olds get jailed for having consensual sex with their 17 year old partners.
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On October 07 2012 09:27 Spawkuring wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 09:09 heliusx wrote:On October 07 2012 08:57 Spawkuring wrote:On October 07 2012 08:52 oBlade wrote:On October 07 2012 08:48 heliusx wrote:On October 07 2012 08:44 iamho wrote:
I think I get it. Some people here are upset because they're 14-18 year olds and think I'm personally offending them. Here's the truth: you're not mature. Having a big vocabulary does not make you mature, having an opinion on politics does not make you mature, watching Carl Sagan videos on youtube does not make you mature. If this doesn't apply to you I apologize, but this damn well applies to the average Redditor, and probably has something to do with the fact that they think its okay to have sex with a 14 year old. That's quite likely the case. I pondered the same thing before I finished my post. For anyone to seriously believe that a normal 14 year old female, or male for that matter is remotely finished developing mentally really confused me. And a lot of these posts are coming off defensive to me. Sex is a part of growing up. Nobody has claimed 14 year olds' brains aren't changing. The argument is similar to saying it's impossible to be a mature pianist unless you're an adult. That may be true, but you are going to be a damn sight worse than everyone else if you never practiced until your 18th birthday. And let's not forget that there are plenty of kids who can sing, dance, and act on levels far beyond adults. People really underestimate the youth. They do stupid things, but they're more than capable of critical thought. Prime example of a post that comes off as defensive. It's not that people underestimate the youth. It's that they have the benefit of once being a youth and also of being an adult. And as an adult they recognize the irrational mind set that comes with being a child. Being talented in something has literally zero bearing on a persons ability to be developed emotionally. So I'm not sure why this is being brought up. Pretty much everybody looks back on their youth and thinks about how stupid they acted. Doesn't mean I advocate prohibiting them from doing something unless they're 100% developed. In all honesty, 16 year olds aren't fully developed to drive, but we still let them because they gotta get experience sometime. Sex in general is safer when kids are educated about it sooner rather than later, and I'd much rather fix sex-related problems with education rather than creating situations where 18 year olds get jailed for having consensual sex with their 17 year old partners.
As I told the other guy, you're attacking a straw man. No where did I say teens shouldn't be allowed to try out sex. I'm also not going to clarify myself again. Take a few minutes to read my last few posts to understand my stance instead of arguing with a make believe stance I have not taken. If you don't want to debate my views that's fine but don't pretend I'm saying something I'm not just to make it easier on yourself.
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Isn't Stephano only 18 anyway? And this is supposed to be an emotionally mature man?
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On October 07 2012 09:43 Xahhk wrote:Isn't Stephano only 18 anyway? And this is supposed to be an emotionally mature man?
And what exactly is your point?
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On October 07 2012 09:27 Spawkuring wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 09:09 heliusx wrote:On October 07 2012 08:57 Spawkuring wrote:On October 07 2012 08:52 oBlade wrote:On October 07 2012 08:48 heliusx wrote:On October 07 2012 08:44 iamho wrote:
I think I get it. Some people here are upset because they're 14-18 year olds and think I'm personally offending them. Here's the truth: you're not mature. Having a big vocabulary does not make you mature, having an opinion on politics does not make you mature, watching Carl Sagan videos on youtube does not make you mature. If this doesn't apply to you I apologize, but this damn well applies to the average Redditor, and probably has something to do with the fact that they think its okay to have sex with a 14 year old. That's quite likely the case. I pondered the same thing before I finished my post. For anyone to seriously believe that a normal 14 year old female, or male for that matter is remotely finished developing mentally really confused me. And a lot of these posts are coming off defensive to me. Sex is a part of growing up. Nobody has claimed 14 year olds' brains aren't changing. The argument is similar to saying it's impossible to be a mature pianist unless you're an adult. That may be true, but you are going to be a damn sight worse than everyone else if you never practiced until your 18th birthday. And let's not forget that there are plenty of kids who can sing, dance, and act on levels far beyond adults. People really underestimate the youth. They do stupid things, but they're more than capable of critical thought. Prime example of a post that comes off as defensive. It's not that people underestimate the youth. It's that they have the benefit of once being a youth and also of being an adult. And as an adult they recognize the irrational mind set that comes with being a child. Being talented in something has literally zero bearing on a persons ability to be developed emotionally. So I'm not sure why this is being brought up. Pretty much everybody looks back on their youth and thinks about how stupid they acted. Doesn't mean I advocate prohibiting them from doing something unless they're 100% developed. In all honesty, 16 year olds aren't fully developed to drive, but we still let them because they gotta get experience sometime. Sex in general is safer when kids are educated about it sooner rather than later, and I'd much rather fix sex-related problems with education rather than creating situations where 18 year olds get jailed for having consensual sex with their 17 year old partners.
And there is often Romeo and Juliet type laws to protect those in situations like you stated. I am shocked that some people think an older man or women targeting 14 year olds is ok.
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On October 07 2012 09:47 Quintum_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 09:27 Spawkuring wrote:On October 07 2012 09:09 heliusx wrote:On October 07 2012 08:57 Spawkuring wrote:On October 07 2012 08:52 oBlade wrote:On October 07 2012 08:48 heliusx wrote:On October 07 2012 08:44 iamho wrote:
I think I get it. Some people here are upset because they're 14-18 year olds and think I'm personally offending them. Here's the truth: you're not mature. Having a big vocabulary does not make you mature, having an opinion on politics does not make you mature, watching Carl Sagan videos on youtube does not make you mature. If this doesn't apply to you I apologize, but this damn well applies to the average Redditor, and probably has something to do with the fact that they think its okay to have sex with a 14 year old. That's quite likely the case. I pondered the same thing before I finished my post. For anyone to seriously believe that a normal 14 year old female, or male for that matter is remotely finished developing mentally really confused me. And a lot of these posts are coming off defensive to me. Sex is a part of growing up. Nobody has claimed 14 year olds' brains aren't changing. The argument is similar to saying it's impossible to be a mature pianist unless you're an adult. That may be true, but you are going to be a damn sight worse than everyone else if you never practiced until your 18th birthday. And let's not forget that there are plenty of kids who can sing, dance, and act on levels far beyond adults. People really underestimate the youth. They do stupid things, but they're more than capable of critical thought. Prime example of a post that comes off as defensive. It's not that people underestimate the youth. It's that they have the benefit of once being a youth and also of being an adult. And as an adult they recognize the irrational mind set that comes with being a child. Being talented in something has literally zero bearing on a persons ability to be developed emotionally. So I'm not sure why this is being brought up. Pretty much everybody looks back on their youth and thinks about how stupid they acted. Doesn't mean I advocate prohibiting them from doing something unless they're 100% developed. In all honesty, 16 year olds aren't fully developed to drive, but we still let them because they gotta get experience sometime. Sex in general is safer when kids are educated about it sooner rather than later, and I'd much rather fix sex-related problems with education rather than creating situations where 18 year olds get jailed for having consensual sex with their 17 year old partners. And there is often Romeo and Juliet type laws to protect those in situations like you stated. I am shocked that some people think an older man or women targeting 14 year olds is ok.
correct, im my current area it seems 18 with 16 is allowed and so is 19 with 17. A sort of 2 year law we can call it.
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News reports about internet sites always make me laugh.
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On October 07 2012 09:47 Quintum_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 09:27 Spawkuring wrote:
Pretty much everybody looks back on their youth and thinks about how stupid they acted. Doesn't mean I advocate prohibiting them from doing something unless they're 100% developed. In all honesty, 16 year olds aren't fully developed to drive, but we still let them because they gotta get experience sometime. Sex in general is safer when kids are educated about it sooner rather than later, and I'd much rather fix sex-related problems with education rather than creating situations where 18 year olds get jailed for having consensual sex with their 17 year old partners. And there is often Romeo and Juliet type laws to protect those in situations like you stated. I am shocked that some people think an older man or women targeting 14 year olds is ok.
Nobody said that was okay. You are devaluing 22 pages of discourse by reducing the opposition to a one line strawman. And being shocked doesn't make you more correct. People are explaining that if two people want to do things to each others' bodies in private, you ought to be able to demonstrate why you're making it illegal. The elderly are at risk for sexual assault because they have weaker bodies. That doesn't mean we've had to pass laws that turn sex with the elderly into statutory rape. It's already illegal to abuse people, so I expect that covers it.
On October 07 2012 09:57 heliusx wrote:
correct, im my current area it seems 18 with 16 is allowed and so is 19 with 17. A sort of 2 year law we can call it.
Can you not imagine a 20 year old and a 17 year old having sex in a situation where the 17 year old isn't being taken advantage of?
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... Am I the only one from a country with liberal thoughts on sex?
In Denmark the "legal" age is 15 (or 16... a few years it changed from one to the other) and tons of people have their sexual debuts in the ages 13-16 + Show Spoiler +https://www.borger.dk/Sider/Sex-og-seksuelle-spoergsmaal.aspx
I don't see an issue with this if it was consensual. Who are you to judge wether this is right or wrong? The girl might have been better to decide it than you were when you had your debut - and even then... How would you feel about others judging you for it?
From the source:
+ Show Spoiler +https://www.borger.dk/Sider/Sex-og-seksuelle-spoergsmaal.aspx?NavigationTaxonomyId=313d241f-a5a4-4a63-9a8e-e14d15d43d9d
Ifølge straffeloven må du først gå i seng med andre, når du er 15 år. Men loven er ikke lavet for at undgå, at fx to på 14 år har sex. Den er lavet for, at voksne mennesker ikke skal have sex med børn under 15 år. Du skal altså ikke være bange for at blive straffet, hvis du har lyst til at gå i seng med din kæreste, selv om du ikke er fyldt 15 år endnu. Det vigtigste er, at du føler dig klar til det, og at du ikke bliver presset til at gøre noget, du ikke har lyst til.
According to the law, you can not have sex with others before turning 15. The law however is not designed to stop two 14 year olds from having sex. It is meant to prevent grown ups from having sex with children below the age of 15. This means you don't have to worry about sleeping with your boy-/girlfriend even though you haven't turned 15 yet. The most important thing is feeling ready and not being pushed into doing something you don't want to.
*BAM*... The danish system doesn't seem to have a problem with this 
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On October 07 2012 09:44 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 09:43 Xahhk wrote:Isn't Stephano only 18 anyway? And this is supposed to be an emotionally mature man? And what exactly is your point?
I'm stating the facts because there are people that think that looking at ages of individuals is the be all end all in terms of appropriateness of private interactions.
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On October 07 2012 10:02 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 09:47 Quintum_ wrote:On October 07 2012 09:27 Spawkuring wrote:
Pretty much everybody looks back on their youth and thinks about how stupid they acted. Doesn't mean I advocate prohibiting them from doing something unless they're 100% developed. In all honesty, 16 year olds aren't fully developed to drive, but we still let them because they gotta get experience sometime. Sex in general is safer when kids are educated about it sooner rather than later, and I'd much rather fix sex-related problems with education rather than creating situations where 18 year olds get jailed for having consensual sex with their 17 year old partners. And there is often Romeo and Juliet type laws to protect those in situations like you stated. I am shocked that some people think an older man or women targeting 14 year olds is ok. Nobody said that was okay. You are devaluing 22 pages of discourse by reducing the opposition to a one line strawman. And being shocked doesn't make you more correct. People are explaining that if two people want to do things to each others' bodies in private, you ought to be able to demonstrate why you're making it illegal. The elderly are at risk for sexual assault because they have weaker bodies. That doesn't mean we've had to pass laws that turn sex with the elderly into statutory rape. It's already illegal to abuse people, so I expect that covers it. Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 09:57 heliusx wrote:
correct, im my current area it seems 18 with 16 is allowed and so is 19 with 17. A sort of 2 year law we can call it. Can you not imagine a 20 year old and a 17 year old having sex in a situation where the 17 year old isn't being taken advantage of?
Regardless of my opinion I honestly do not see whats your point. If you want to "debate" one line facts I posted go right ahead but I've posted a few long rants that convey my thoughts and reasoning for my opinions. You can ignore them but don't expect me to respond any further to pointless back and forth with no substance.
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Stupid discussion. Every man would like to fuck a 14-year old girl, of course! You only say, you won't because its not socially acceptable.
We 24+ year old are from another generation. With the internet, the kids grow up faster. When I was 12 - there was no internet and I had never watched porn. When I look at 14-16y olds now I can't believe whats happening. There're 14yo old girls who use makeup, the fuck?
Chloe Morez from the page before is the perfect example.
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On October 07 2012 10:06 Xahhk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 09:44 heliusx wrote:On October 07 2012 09:43 Xahhk wrote:Isn't Stephano only 18 anyway? And this is supposed to be an emotionally mature man? And what exactly is your point? I'm stating the facts because there are people that think that looking at ages of individuals is the be all end all in terms of appropriateness of private interactions.
The only thing you are doing is skirting around the actual debate going on at the moment because you have nothing to add. Your fact of him being young and not fully developed has zero bearing on the actual issue.
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On October 07 2012 10:10 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 10:02 oBlade wrote:On October 07 2012 09:47 Quintum_ wrote:On October 07 2012 09:27 Spawkuring wrote:
Pretty much everybody looks back on their youth and thinks about how stupid they acted. Doesn't mean I advocate prohibiting them from doing something unless they're 100% developed. In all honesty, 16 year olds aren't fully developed to drive, but we still let them because they gotta get experience sometime. Sex in general is safer when kids are educated about it sooner rather than later, and I'd much rather fix sex-related problems with education rather than creating situations where 18 year olds get jailed for having consensual sex with their 17 year old partners. And there is often Romeo and Juliet type laws to protect those in situations like you stated. I am shocked that some people think an older man or women targeting 14 year olds is ok. Nobody said that was okay. You are devaluing 22 pages of discourse by reducing the opposition to a one line strawman. And being shocked doesn't make you more correct. People are explaining that if two people want to do things to each others' bodies in private, you ought to be able to demonstrate why you're making it illegal. The elderly are at risk for sexual assault because they have weaker bodies. That doesn't mean we've had to pass laws that turn sex with the elderly into statutory rape. It's already illegal to abuse people, so I expect that covers it. On October 07 2012 09:57 heliusx wrote:
correct, im my current area it seems 18 with 16 is allowed and so is 19 with 17. A sort of 2 year law we can call it. Can you not imagine a 20 year old and a 17 year old having sex in a situation where the 17 year old isn't being taken advantage of? Regardless of my opinion I honestly do not see whats your point. If you want to "debate" one line facts I posted go right ahead but I've posted a few long rants that convey my thoughts and reasoning for my opinions. You can ignore them but don't expect me to respond any further to pointless back and forth with no substance.
The top part of the post was in response to Quintum_, so unless you're also Quintum_, you can ignore it and respond to the second part of the post.
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