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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
On October 07 2012 14:00 UNeeK wrote: so it's okay to admit to abusing a child, but not okay to say nigger out of anger? makes total sense. Are you helping Romney out with his campaign as well? Also, if you notice in the chat, BlinG asks him "you fucked a 14yo?...." and he doesn't deny, he just says "14yo...", please - do tell me you're not gullible enough to believe he's telling his friend an "inside joke" about grinding on a 14yo, beating a 14yo at starcraft, or any other amazing dodge stephano fans are coming out with.... When you take on the position of a role model, you have to act like one. I believe innocent until proven guilty, so i'm not going to sit here and say he definitely had sex with a 14 year old girl, but irregardless he's suppose to be acting like a professional on a professional esports team.... I don't see how what orb did is nearly as bad as this.... he said something out of anger that is offensive, I hear offensive language all day at work - so what? If my coworker told me he abused a 14year old I don't think I would take it as lightly as if he said "fucking niggers didn't refill the water machine." so it's okay to admit to abusing a child, but not okay to say nigger out of anger? makes total sense. Are you helping Romney out with his campaign as well? Generally ad hominem attacks come when irrationality is at its fullest. Firstly "a child" and "a teenager" are two specific things and it should be very easy to separate them as one is pre-puberty and the other post-puberty and thus they sit in different categories. Secondly our body is wired to be sexually attracted to girls from approximately 15 up (This is always roiugh because of the age at which maturity really comes into play is different for all girls and guys). I've also said earlier that I believe 16 is a viable age of consent because the age of sexual maturity and age of sexual fertility are generally two different things where a female may simply not be mentally capable of contemplating the results of her actions such that we should allow her to "mature more" but I also said the idea of seeing an attractive 14-15 year old is simply biologically possible and not related to pedophilia at all so stop being so rash "pedos!!!!!!" . When you take on the position of a role model, you have to act like one. I believe innocent until proven guilty, so i'm not going to sit here and say he definitely had sex with a 14 year old girl, but irregardless he's suppose to be acting like a professional on a professional esports team.... This is a very very odd way to look at things. Is he not acting like a professional? A "private" message was shown by mistake to the public, is Scarlett Johansson now suddenly unprofessional because a picture of her boob was sent viral and that's not a good role model!!!!!!!!!! Obviously not. Private messages should be relatively private and if they slip they slip but what's immature is getting so worked up for banter most of us have done before, you can say "I've never said I've absued a 14yo girl privately!" but somewhere down the line you have a skeleton in your closet where you said something offensive that you'd not want public, we all have. I'm glad you are following the innocent until proven guilty mantra though, seeing as we have absolutely no idea in what context that was meant so I'll leave that as is. Also, if you notice in the chat, BlinG asks him "you fucked a 14yo?...." and he doesn't deny, he just says "14yo...", please - do tell me you're not gullible enough to believe he's telling his friend an "inside joke" about grinding on a 14yo, beating a 14yo at starcraft, or any other amazing dodge stephano fans are coming out with... I quoted your 3rd paragraph over your second becasue you go "innocent until proven guilty" after saying "Y u so gullable he obviously had sex with a 14yo!". I'm not a "Stephano fan" ... You've been generalzing this entire post from "romney" to "fan" and it's very tiresome to see so many straws in your argument simply falling out because they're not true. Why not formulate a strong argument instead of just going "GRR GRR GRR" and hoping the shit makes sense. Since you said "innocent until proven guilty" I'll assume you meant it and won't reply to your subjective assumptions based off pre-dispositions and faulty reasoning. I don't see how what orb did is nearly as bad as this.... he said something out of anger that is offensive, I hear offensive language all day at work - so what? If my coworker told me he abused a 14year old I don't think I would take it as lightly as if he said "fucking niggers didn't refill the water machine." You misunderstand business. Whether or not Stephano meant it or not has no effect on him being "let go". In business you measure your assets and if your assets take hits and aren't worth a marketable enough value to be worth it you let it go. Orb was worth relatively nothing, they have casters who play that are better and a lot of the community already disliked Orb to begin with so EG simply clapped their hands together and said "That's that" but with Stephano he's a multi-tournament winning foreigner and one of the last of his kind who brings in IMMENSE viewership and ratings. No one gives a shit if a few angry people start shitting on the walls of the EG castle yelling "pedo pedo pedo!" because a) It'll go away and b) there was no context so they can just defend his actions by placing any context they want. Also nothing in life matters from your perspective, you're subjective and your morale compass is singular. In 500 years society might look back and go "I can't believe they were throwing people in jail for having sex with fertile women, absolutely barbaric practice!" and you'd be sitting there in that society going "absolutely! barbaric!" because you're trained to think what way is up and how to walk. Now I've already pointed out that I think that there are limits to the differences of sexual fertility and maturity and we should cap the age based on THAT but even that's subjective. On October 07 2012 21:35 Grumbels wrote: I think consent laws should be like: 14 years old minimum if your partner is at most 4 years older than you, with a policy of tolerance for 5-6 years older if it's not abusive, otherwise 18. If you're 26 and want to sleep with a 14 year old girl you're sick and should know better. Most countries have that kind of buffer, I believe Canada has a 2 year policy to 5 year where 13-15, 14- 16, 15-17, 16-21 17-22. These numbers might be off but I remember it going something like that in an old sex ed class (where they said that was Canada's new standard). I also am inclined to believe that as humans our conscience should place limits over our animal desires but I would argue that the idea of finding an attractive minor in that age isn't devilish at all. I would however say that only the sexually immature would chase the sexually immature and that we should have laws (like you said) as a buffer to protect such things. | ||
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FFGenerations
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
On October 07 2012 22:01 FFGenerations wrote: is it ok for a sexually mature 14yo to pursue a sexually immature 26yo? or is that abuse I think the main argument there is what is "sexually mature" and how do we define it? We could counter that argument and say 26yo's can be sexually immature but on average teenagers in their younger teens are, by today's standards, immature. Frankly even on a mental scale your brain continues to grow on average until 18 (and even past that it can develop obviously) but the age between 13-18 is ripe with instability and irrationality "teen years" so how can we tell if that decision is made rationally from a mature individual or irrationally from a sexually immature one? I would agree the whole thing is a very hard line to place a stake in though. | ||
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Disposition1989
Canada270 Posts
On October 07 2012 20:48 PiPoGevy wrote: What did they expect, there is always going to be a bunch of low life idiots who take joy into posting that shit, and even though I don't like it, it's the owner's fault for allowing it, and the users fault for putting it up there, and if other users do not support what is on that site, then they should either petition to get rid of it or just leave the site, leave all the legal shit to the government which will eventually take it down. Oh and I kind of think the owners are talking silly, there is a difference between freedom of speech and pictures of underage naked girls, but hell, let them ruin their own life. Btw, even if any of you overaged "adults" were attracted to underage girls as young as 14, grow the hell up and realise what the hell is going through your head and control yourself, I'm 17 and even I know better not to do stupid shit with a CHILD! Just a point I'd like to add: Grade 9 = 14, grade 11/12 = 17/18 in most Canadian highschools (possibly states too??). The way school gets divided up here, grade 12's dating grade 9's was not common but certainly not "grow the hell up stupid shit" type behaviour : \ The mindset, at least where I live, is if you're in the same bracket (schoolwise) it's fine to date and whatever else. A bit strange for 18 to 14 from other 18's perspectives but for the 14...all her friends will be buzzing about how amazing it is for their friend to be dating 18. Once you hit 19, you can drink here too. You begin to think...if you didn't see them at a bar, you shouldn't talk to them. AKA highschoolers who can't legally drink. Same goes for Uni/college. Dating a highschooler was kinda weird unless they were already dating or the highschooler was going back for a 5th year. Now that I'm done university, I wouldn't dream of dating anyone that was in first or 2nd year of university, maybe not even 3rd year. The brackets change as you get older but the mindset does not; stay in your bracket. To be crystal clear, I know what you're all talking about is 19 and 14. But what I wanted to address was the different social rules in other places. | ||
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Nyarly
France1030 Posts
I believe stephano is totally capable of knowning that bling streams  | ||
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
On October 08 2012 01:12 Disposition1989 wrote: Just a point I'd like to add: Grade 9 = 14, grade 11/12 = 17/18 in most Canadian highschools (possibly states too??). The way school gets divided up here, grade 12's dating grade 9's was not common but certainly not "grow the hell up stupid shit" type behaviour : \ The mindset, at least where I live, is if you're in the same bracket (schoolwise) it's fine to date and whatever else. A bit strange for 18 to 14 from other 18's perspectives but for the 14...all her friends will be buzzing about how amazing it is for their friend to be dating 18. Once you hit 19, you can drink here too. You begin to think...if you didn't see them at a bar, you shouldn't talk to them. AKA highschoolers who can't legally drink. Same goes for Uni/college. Dating a highschooler was kinda weird unless they were already dating or the highschooler was going back for a 5th year. Now that I'm done university, I wouldn't dream of dating anyone that was in first or 2nd year of university, maybe not even 3rd year. The brackets change as you get older but the mindset does not; stay in your bracket. To be crystal clear, I know what you're all talking about is 19 and 14. But what I wanted to address was the different social rules in other places. Hmm that's not really a "social rule" it's just an opinion you have. I do agree though and that's what I personally tend to follow, a sort of bracket system but I wouldn't think differently of a 26 yo dating a 18-20. Who am I to make such claim on love, especially with two sexually mature individuals. | ||
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sunprince
United States2258 Posts
On October 07 2012 21:35 Grumbels wrote: I think consent laws should be like: 14 years old minimum if your partner is at most 4 years older than you, with a policy of tolerance for 5-6 years older if it's not abusive, otherwise 18. If you're 26 and want to sleep with a 14 year old girl you're sick and should know better. Better option: do away with statutory rape entirely, and let courts determine whether it was reasonable to believe that the alleged victim in question was mentally mature enough to give consent. We don't (and shouldn't) have maximum ages of consent, even though on average most people start major mental decline in their later years; we simply let courts decide in individual rape cases whether or not an elderly party was capable of giving consent. Same thing goes with alcohol: we don't (and shouldn't) assume the inability to consent at certain blood alcohol percentages; we let the courts decide in each particular case. Case-by-case adjudication is the only logical way to handle issues of class-based consent; anything else is an arbitrary line that invites potential injustice. | ||
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rackdude
United States882 Posts
On October 09 2012 01:02 sunprince wrote: Better option: do away with statutory rape entirely, and let courts determine whether it was reasonable to believe that the alleged victim in question was mentally mature enough to give consent. We don't (and shouldn't) have maximum ages of consent, even though on average most people start major mental decline in their later years; we simply let courts decide in individual rape cases whether or not an elderly party was capable of giving consent. Same thing goes with alcohol: we don't (and shouldn't) assume the inability to consent at certain blood alcohol percentages; we let the courts decide in each particular case. Case-by-case adjudication is the only logical way to handle issues of class-based consent; anything else is an arbitrary line that invites potential injustice. Too many case-by-base rules => make more laws to make it easier for the courts to determine the outcome without an expensive or long case => more silly cases due to poorly made laws => movement for more case-by-case rules | ||
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
On October 09 2012 01:02 sunprince wrote: Better option: do away with statutory rape entirely, and let courts determine whether it was reasonable to believe that the alleged victim in question was mentally mature enough to give consent. We don't (and shouldn't) have maximum ages of consent, even though on average most people start major mental decline in their later years; we simply let courts decide in individual rape cases whether or not an elderly party was capable of giving consent. Same thing goes with alcohol: we don't (and shouldn't) assume the inability to consent at certain blood alcohol percentages; we let the courts decide in each particular case. Case-by-case adjudication is the only logical way to handle issues of class-based consent; anything else is an arbitrary line that invites potential injustice. You want courts to determine mental maturity? Oh boy... For everyone else, I have a huge newsflash: 90% of people have sex before they are mentally mature. Think about the people you went to high school with, seriously. The argument here is boiling down to: "It's better to have BOTH parties immature when sex is first had!" | ||
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sunprince
United States2258 Posts
On October 09 2012 01:15 jdseemoreglass wrote: You want courts to determine mental maturity? Oh boy... They already do in many aspects of consent, sexual and otherwise. On October 09 2012 01:15 jdseemoreglass wrote: For everyone else, I have a huge newsflash: 90% of people have sex before they are mentally mature. Think about the people you went to high school with, seriously. The argument here is boiling down to: "It's better to have BOTH parties immature when sex is first had!" Mental maturity isn't a binary state that applies to everything. It is possible to be sufficiently mentally mature to give informed consent for sex, despite not reaching some vague level of "adult-level maturity". | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
the arbitrary age limit worked fine so far. perhaps add more limits and thats it. 13 - 16, 16 - 19, +19 | ||
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StateofReverie
United States633 Posts
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