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On September 18 2012 11:56 Sabu113 wrote:
These people do a lot to delegitimize and turn atleast me personally off potentially valid causes.
like this?
please explain the validity of the beatingtrannies subreddit so that your massive generalization can hold.
On September 18 2012 11:58 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 11:52 Positronic wrote:On September 18 2012 11:43 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On September 18 2012 11:34 yeastiality wrote:On September 18 2012 11:32 skipgamer wrote:On September 18 2012 11:29 yeastiality wrote:On September 18 2012 11:26 skipgamer wrote:On September 18 2012 11:21 yeastiality wrote:On September 18 2012 11:20 skipgamer wrote:
K, continue your witch-hunt of kids/young adults who might have some minor interest in seeing young genitalia.
Meanwhile on freenet/tor hundreds of thousands of videos of real child abuse are being shared freely.
I don't condone it, but it's out there. Those are the sites / people that should be vilified, not reddit. Aren't both groups symptomatic of the same problem? The fact that bad things are on "freenet/tor" doesn't let reddit off the hook. No. Very different problems. If you have looked around (and I have, just because I think people should know.) on many freent/tor sites you have actual people who are abusing children through prostitution rings and the like, and sharing it. Reddit/4chan/etc are a very, very different ecosystem. Most of the "paedophiles" there would never touch a child. Let alone actually produce hard core child pornography. okay, skip the children part for a moment /r/BeatingTrannies - are these people doing horrible things and gloating about it, or are they reposting gore that was on rotten.com in 1998 and making idiotic meme images? remember: this question is extremely straightforward. I wouldn't know, to be honest. I've never looked in to beating trannies fortunately. take a look at it. it's there and you're defending it with incredibly immature thinking. On September 18 2012 11:34 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On September 18 2012 11:29 yeastiality wrote:On September 18 2012 11:26 skipgamer wrote:On September 18 2012 11:21 yeastiality wrote:On September 18 2012 11:20 skipgamer wrote:
K, continue your witch-hunt of kids/young adults who might have some minor interest in seeing young genitalia.
Meanwhile on freenet/tor hundreds of thousands of videos of real child abuse are being shared freely.
I don't condone it, but it's out there. Those are the sites / people that should be vilified, not reddit. Aren't both groups symptomatic of the same problem? The fact that bad things are on "freenet/tor" doesn't let reddit off the hook. No. Very different problems. If you have looked around (and I have, just because I think people should know.) on many freent/tor sites you have actual people who are abusing children through prostitution rings and the like, and sharing it. Reddit/4chan/etc are a very, very different ecosystem. Most of the "paedophiles" there would never touch a child. Let alone actually produce hard core child pornography. okay, skip the children part for a moment /r/BeatingTrannies - are these people doing horrible things and gloating about it, or are they reposting gore that was on rotten.com in 1998 and making idiotic meme images? remember: this question is extremely straightforward. Heres a better question that is rather straightforward. Do people do terrible things? Like if your argument here is that Reddit's job is to police a free forum then perhaps you need a better lesson on the definition of freedom. People want to be fucked up, they'll be fucked up and this conversation is on Reddit banning CP which time and time again they've proven to do so (look at the edit on the first page, if you saw it when it was originally made it was sensationalist as fuck with no actual knowledge of the topic at hand) Reddit has clearly defined itself as a medium, not a supporter. You can say "the middle guy is at fault to" and for CP yes they would be but they don't have CP on their main forum and they hunt down CP as best as they can on the sub forums. Beating trannies ? I don't see the relation or importance of a fetish sub. I didn't understand most of this because I'm an adult with a job. If I was at a party and saw someone murder a transexual person, I'd be pretty offended. The fact that gloating about that on the internet is cool because of a bunch of disconnected words about FREEDOM!!!!!!11 and "CP" (internet codeword to reduce the meaning of the phrase child pornography) is exactly why things like reddit need to go away. Stop holding on to the old internet culture for dear life and grow the fuck up. You get ad hominem because you're "grown the fuck up" ^^ Interesting, you seem to have quite the ideology. So is NASA a standardized code word to reduce the meaning? No it isn't, CP and Child Pornography mean the same thing because it's an acronym... I don't even understand your argument, you're making claims about how you're and adult with a job which ... somehow gives you substance? The average TL user I'd bet is an adult with a job including myself so where does this even gain merit? I didn't know freedom has become a disconnected word, the definition seems so concrete. Maybe you should calm your passive aggressive posting down a smidgen and actually start reading what you're replying too. No need to get so fired up. You really need to think about things in context, specifically about acronyms (euphemisms and code words are more like it). He isn't saying that acronyms reduce the meaning of anything, he was saying that some people will use slightly more neutral language, and at other times more inflammatory, to frame an argument in the way that helps their side. Take "Obamacare" for example. There is no law called "Obamacare". There is however the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, which doesn't sound as good when using health care reform as a reason to vote the U.S. president out of office. This term was originally used SOLELY by Republicans to tie Obama to the law, and by doing so tie all of the other fabrications about his "not knowing how to be an American" (and being Muslim, and having "death panels", and...you get the idea) and delegitimize the law altogether. Using CP as short hand can have the same effect. Since the full words are not written or spoken, people often don't FEEL the full impact of the words. I think your example is very out of place... Obamacare is a slander and it is not an acronym... CP spread apart is Child Pornography. I don't see how that can make anyone more neutral. I don't get more neutral about the KKK because I hear it as the KKK or Ku Klux Klan... The argument does not seem valid, do you have a better example? Obamacare is actually a slander trying to mock the Act, it isn't the OC act. It would be like saying "well they called it the PPAACA to make it more neutral!" "pa-ka"
You should probably study the social effects of language in some way. I won't study it for you.
Your example of the KKK is flawed, in that the phrase evokes an organization, not a despicable act. When I say "nazi party", it actually does have a different meaning for people from "gas chambers". If 4chan existed in the 1940s, would Austrian people on it post about how "wacky" GCs are? (Get godwin'd, bro)
Forget about the Obamacare topic - why don't regular people say CP? Why is it only in 4chan/reddit culture?
Forget everything I said and tell me why it's unique to them. Is it unique to them? Go visit some child pornographers on tor and tell me what codewords they use.
All this stuff is readily available for whenever you want to pull your head out.
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On September 18 2012 11:59 yeastiality wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 11:56 Sabu113 wrote:
These people do a lot to delegitimize and turn atleast me personally off potentially valid causes.
like this? please explain the validity of the beatingtrannies subreddit so that your massive generalization can hold.
Would you please stop straw manning every single poster you disagree with? You keep pushing these ridiculously broad moral brushstrokes with guilt by association. Literally not a single person here has argued that beating trannies is a good thing, okay? Stop with the one-liner ad hominem shit posts please.
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On September 18 2012 12:01 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 11:59 yeastiality wrote:On September 18 2012 11:56 Sabu113 wrote:
These people do a lot to delegitimize and turn atleast me personally off potentially valid causes.
like this? please explain the validity of the beatingtrannies subreddit so that your massive generalization can hold. Would you please stop straw manning every single poster you disagree with? You keep pushing these ridiculously broad moral brushstrokes with guilt by association. Literally not a single person here has argued that beating trannies is a good thing, mkay? Stop with the one-liner ad hominem shit posts please.
Well, the OP specifically mentions those subreddits, and then most of the replies dwell on the jailbait topic which has been done to death. You have to "strawman" somebody when they're completely avoiding the meat of the matter to make their own point (which is itself a strawman).
Just tell me why beating a transexual person to death is the kind of thing reddit should pride itself on, as the white knight of free speech. Just tell me. Forget debate class and tell me.
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well the critzism presented in the video is over the top. Basically reddit just has a freeloader problem. Some users abuse the freedom the platform gives them. Should reddit try to do something about it? Yes of course, in a healthy society antisocial behaviour (exploiting children, beating up trannies etc) doesn't get tolerated. That is basically the reason why a society with limitless freedom won't work, because individuals within this society will abuse it to the maximum and thus limit the freedom of others against their will. This is one of the reason mankind developed behavioural, societal and personal norms.Reddit, as a platform should do it's best to enforce these norms.
Forbid reddit for it? No, would be useless, it just brings some sickos our societies unfortunately contain to the surface.
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On September 18 2012 12:03 yeastiality wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 12:01 jdseemoreglass wrote:On September 18 2012 11:59 yeastiality wrote:On September 18 2012 11:56 Sabu113 wrote:
These people do a lot to delegitimize and turn atleast me personally off potentially valid causes.
like this? please explain the validity of the beatingtrannies subreddit so that your massive generalization can hold. Would you please stop straw manning every single poster you disagree with? You keep pushing these ridiculously broad moral brushstrokes with guilt by association. Literally not a single person here has argued that beating trannies is a good thing, mkay? Stop with the one-liner ad hominem shit posts please. Well, the OP specifically mentions those subreddits, and then most of the replies dwell on the jailbait topic which has been done to death. You have to "strawman" somebody when they're completely avoiding the meat of the matter to make their own point (which is itself a strawman). Just tell me why beating a transexual person to death is the kind of thing reddit should pride itself on, as the white knight of free speech. Just tell me. Forget debate class and tell me.
The "meat" of the topic is that someone wrote an over the top hit piece which detracts from any legitimate points they actually have to make by stretching words to the extreme and making over the top exaggerations or generalizations.
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On September 18 2012 12:03 AngryMag wrote:
well the critzism presented in the video is over the top. Basically reddit just has a freeloader problem. Some users abuse the freedom the platform gives them. Should reddit try to do something about it? Yes of course, in a healthy society antisocial behaviour (exploiting children, beating up trannies etc) doesn't get tolerated. That is basically the reason why a society with limitless freedom won't work, because individuals within this society will abuse it to the maximum and thus limit the freedom of others against their will. This is one of the reason mankind developed behavioural, societal and personal norms.Reddit, as a platform should do it's best to enforce these norms.
Forbid reddit for it? No, would be useless, it just brings some sickos our societies unfortunately contain to the surface.
See this? This is what it looks like when someone knows more about political and social philosophy than what south park tells them.
On September 18 2012 12:06 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 12:03 yeastiality wrote:On September 18 2012 12:01 jdseemoreglass wrote:On September 18 2012 11:59 yeastiality wrote:On September 18 2012 11:56 Sabu113 wrote:
These people do a lot to delegitimize and turn atleast me personally off potentially valid causes.
like this? please explain the validity of the beatingtrannies subreddit so that your massive generalization can hold. Would you please stop straw manning every single poster you disagree with? You keep pushing these ridiculously broad moral brushstrokes with guilt by association. Literally not a single person here has argued that beating trannies is a good thing, mkay? Stop with the one-liner ad hominem shit posts please. Well, the OP specifically mentions those subreddits, and then most of the replies dwell on the jailbait topic which has been done to death. You have to "strawman" somebody when they're completely avoiding the meat of the matter to make their own point (which is itself a strawman). Just tell me why beating a transexual person to death is the kind of thing reddit should pride itself on, as the white knight of free speech. Just tell me. Forget debate class and tell me. The "meat" of the topic is that someone wrote an over the top hit piece which detracts from any legitimate points they actually have to make by stretching words to the extreme and making over the top exaggerations or generalizations.
No, actually. The meat of the topic is that the grossness of reddit goes way beyond 'jailbait' to things that should make any sane person puke on command. And that people pretending to be smart or halfway qualified defend this with weak assertions of logical fallacies and sweeping generalizations (often in the same paragraph!)
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+ Show Spoiler +On September 18 2012 11:55 yeastiality wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 11:43 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On September 18 2012 11:34 yeastiality wrote:On September 18 2012 11:32 skipgamer wrote:On September 18 2012 11:29 yeastiality wrote:On September 18 2012 11:26 skipgamer wrote:On September 18 2012 11:21 yeastiality wrote:On September 18 2012 11:20 skipgamer wrote:
K, continue your witch-hunt of kids/young adults who might have some minor interest in seeing young genitalia.
Meanwhile on freenet/tor hundreds of thousands of videos of real child abuse are being shared freely.
I don't condone it, but it's out there. Those are the sites / people that should be vilified, not reddit. Aren't both groups symptomatic of the same problem? The fact that bad things are on "freenet/tor" doesn't let reddit off the hook. No. Very different problems. If you have looked around (and I have, just because I think people should know.) on many freent/tor sites you have actual people who are abusing children through prostitution rings and the like, and sharing it. Reddit/4chan/etc are a very, very different ecosystem. Most of the "paedophiles" there would never touch a child. Let alone actually produce hard core child pornography. okay, skip the children part for a moment /r/BeatingTrannies - are these people doing horrible things and gloating about it, or are they reposting gore that was on rotten.com in 1998 and making idiotic meme images? remember: this question is extremely straightforward. I wouldn't know, to be honest. I've never looked in to beating trannies fortunately. take a look at it. it's there and you're defending it with incredibly immature thinking. On September 18 2012 11:34 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On September 18 2012 11:29 yeastiality wrote:On September 18 2012 11:26 skipgamer wrote:On September 18 2012 11:21 yeastiality wrote:On September 18 2012 11:20 skipgamer wrote:
K, continue your witch-hunt of kids/young adults who might have some minor interest in seeing young genitalia.
Meanwhile on freenet/tor hundreds of thousands of videos of real child abuse are being shared freely.
I don't condone it, but it's out there. Those are the sites / people that should be vilified, not reddit. Aren't both groups symptomatic of the same problem? The fact that bad things are on "freenet/tor" doesn't let reddit off the hook. No. Very different problems. If you have looked around (and I have, just because I think people should know.) on many freent/tor sites you have actual people who are abusing children through prostitution rings and the like, and sharing it. Reddit/4chan/etc are a very, very different ecosystem. Most of the "paedophiles" there would never touch a child. Let alone actually produce hard core child pornography. okay, skip the children part for a moment /r/BeatingTrannies - are these people doing horrible things and gloating about it, or are they reposting gore that was on rotten.com in 1998 and making idiotic meme images? remember: this question is extremely straightforward. Heres a better question that is rather straightforward. Do people do terrible things? Like if your argument here is that Reddit's job is to police a free forum then perhaps you need a better lesson on the definition of freedom. People want to be fucked up, they'll be fucked up and this conversation is on Reddit banning CP which time and time again they've proven to do so (look at the edit on the first page, if you saw it when it was originally made it was sensationalist as fuck with no actual knowledge of the topic at hand) Reddit has clearly defined itself as a medium, not a supporter. You can say "the middle guy is at fault to" and for CP yes they would be but they don't have CP on their main forum and they hunt down CP as best as they can on the sub forums. Beating trannies ? I don't see the relation or importance of a fetish sub. I didn't understand most of this because I'm an adult with a job. If I was at a party and saw someone murder a transexual person, I'd be pretty offended. The fact that gloating about that on the internet is cool because of a bunch of disconnected words about FREEDOM!!!!!!11 and "CP" (internet codeword to reduce the meaning of the phrase child pornography) is exactly why things like reddit need to go away. Stop holding on to the old internet culture for dear life and grow the fuck up. You get ad hominem because you're "grown the fuck up" ^^ Interesting, you seem to have quite the ideology. So is NASA a standardized code word to reduce the meaning? No it isn't, CP and Child Pornography mean the same thing because it's an acronym... I don't even understand your argument, you're making claims about how you're and adult with a job which ... somehow gives you substance? The average TL user I'd bet is an adult with a job including myself so where does this even gain merit? I didn't know freedom has become a disconnected word, the definition seems so concrete. - Oh noooooo ad hominem. Next thing I know you'll be all over me with the wikipedia list of logical fallacies. All the high school debate classes in the world won't make up for your lack of argumentative rigor and evidence. This is why I make fun of you. - I've only ever seen reddit/4chan people say CP because it's part of their insular defensive culture. Lots of normal, right-thinking people say NASA, but they also say National Aeronautics and Space Administration because it doesn't evoke images of horrible indefensible acts. When someone says "lol i was on /b/ and there was CP wow 4chan is so crazzzyyy!!!" they immediately mark themselves as being a worthless human - "CP" is the first step toward this. Agree or disagree, but this pattern can be witnessed throughout history (and in other parts of reddit ... isn't there a list of approved acronyms in the RapingWomen section or something? a reddit historian will have to remind me here) - My argument is that only basement nerds who spend all day on reddit will go to these great lengths to defend child pornography, rape, and beating transexuals to death in the name of 'freedom' (without any real education or effort to understand political concepts like libertarianism). It's not an argument for or against 'reddit as a haven for illegal content' - it's just me explaining why I don't you seriously when you go "FREEDOMMMMM" and think you're talking like a big boy. - You proposed that I might "need a lesson on the definition of freedom", and then didn't give me one. Do you need a lesson on the definition of beating transexuals to death and high-fiving one another in public view for it?
I've only ever seen reddit/4chan people say CP because it's part of their insular defensive culture.
Well I don't have a reddit account, but I have used(clarifying since I re-read it as "I've watched CP" in my mind as I scanned, I'm strictly speaking about the phrasing) CP and Child Pornography. So far that hasn't held up.
Agree or disagree, but this pattern can be witnessed throughout history (and in other parts of reddit ... isn't there a list of approved acronyms in the RapingWomen section or something? a reddit historian will have to remind me here)
Well if it's been proven then please provide that proof.. I mean "proven" things are the easiest to cite because someone else did the leg work for you. Or is this one of those things where you say it's proven and provide no evidence towards it as you continue to generalize everything.[/b]
Lots of normal, right-thinking people say NASA, but they also say National Aeronautics and Space Administration because it doesn't evoke images of horrible indefensible acts.
I still don't see your argument. If someone says "CP" and you don't know what that is, sure you don't evoke the images becasue you're ignorant but once you understand CP refers to Child Pornography then it is no different... X is equal to X, they mean the same thing... You can't argue an acronym desensitized anything because once you expand it in your mind which takes a matter of miliseconds in your mind it is simply the same thing.
My argument is that only basement nerds who spend all day on reddit will go to these great lengths to defend child pornography, rape, and beating transexuals to death in the name of 'freedom' (without any real education or effort to understand political concepts like libertarianism). It's not an argument for or against 'reddit as a haven for illegal content' - it's just me explaining why I don't you seriously when you go "FREEDOMMMMM" and think you're talking like a big boy.
I would like to have you note a single sentence where I defended the acts of child pornography, rape, beating transexuals to death in the name of freedom. You make more ad hominem attacks also which only weakens your argument I might add. I simply stated that Reddit is an internet medium. If the news paper comes out and it has an image of a dead body or on the news (or 60 minutes etc) you see another image of a German deathcamp and some freak is hammering off a nut to it should we close that news paper/article/video for showing it?
my argument which related to the thread and how everyone is trashing reddit is that Reddit is a free forum, whether you talk about raping monkeys or the election the idea of freedom is inherent with relation to laws (note the closing of CP threads). Whether you agree with the freedom to discuss topics is not up for debate at all so I don't see why this is even being brought up.
You proposed that I might "need a lesson on the definition of freedom", and then didn't give me one. Do you need a lesson on the definition of beating transexuals to death and high-fiving one another in public view for it?
I dunno, is that your general practice? Like honestly what is this suppose to get across? You're some big internet buff who has a job from 9-5 and comes onto TL to talk down to the other people with 9-5 jobs or juggling university + jobs?
You really should relax and take a load off, you're throwing so many ad hominems and slurs my way alluding that I practice these things that it's really making your argument into that of a child's slamming their fist into a wall and yelling loudly.
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Never liked Reddit to begin with and this just adds to why I dont care for the site at all.
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I still don't see your argument. If someone says "CP" and you don't know what that is, sure you don't evoke the images becasue you're ignorant but once you understand CP refers to Child Pornography then it is no different... X is equal to X, they mean the same thing... You can't argue an acronym desensitized anything because once you expand it in your mind which takes a matter of miliseconds in your mind it is simply the same thing.
Part of the idea is that when people 'expand it in their mind' it does remove some of the meaning associated with the phrase. This is the case with any euphemism - when I read "CP", in my head I hear "CP". I don't picture a mathemagician splitting the letters and then writing 'hild ornography' next to them. We might be different here, though.
I still want to know why everyday people (for instance, in newspapers/books/television/academia) do not say "CP". Why is it exclusive to internet people? Find me a sociology paper that says "CP" and isn't about 4chan or reddit.
I simply stated that Reddit is an internet medium. If the news paper comes out and it has an image of a dead body or on the news (or 60 minutes etc) you see another image of a German deathcamp and some freak is hammering off a nut to it should we close that news paper/article/video for showing it?
If the newspaper and the freak are the same, yes.
my argument which related to the thread and how everyone is trashing reddit is that Reddit is a free forum, whether you talk about raping monkeys to the election the idea of freedom is inherent with relation to laws (note the closing of CP threads). Whether you agree with the freedom to discuss topics is not up for debate at all so I don't see why this is even being brought up.
It's not up for debate because the internet has never been policed properly, and cocky nerds take this to mean that they've found the ultimate bastion of FREEDOM!!!!!!11 It's being debated because it's the cornerstone of this whole topic. The fact that reddit can be all cutesy about freedom and democratized aggregation and stuff doesn't excuse them allowing things to be glorified that could not be in any other sector of our society.
I dunno, is that your general practice? Like honestly what is this suppose to get across? You're some big internet buff who has a job from 9-5 and comes onto TL to talk down to the other people with 9-5 jobs or juggling university + jobs?
No, it's to talk down people who juggle jobs and university, but still haven't grown up and learned how to research something, form an idea about it and discuss it.
You really should relax and take a load off, you're throwing so many ad hominems and slurs my way alluding that I practice these things that it's really making your argument into that of a child's slamming their fist into a wall and yelling loudly.
I'm not saying anyone here 'practices these things'. I just want to see someone tell me why these things are okay, without making a two cent 'freedom' post ripped from a stormfront libertarian blog.
If you want to see slurs, you should check out /r/BeatingTrannies, the hottest place on the web for sub-third world behaviour.
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While I support shutting down child porn and other creepy/disgusting/illegal/hurting shit, r/SRS is probably the worst place on the internet, just a little ahead of maybe 4chans /b/. Regardless of the cause, I have a problem supporting a place (srs) which exist only to hunt, judge, and hurt people they dislike. This is the first good cause I've seen from them, but I feel its less the content they're hungry to remove moreso then just hungry for a new, bigger witchhunt.
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On September 18 2012 12:03 yeastiality wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 12:01 jdseemoreglass wrote:On September 18 2012 11:59 yeastiality wrote:On September 18 2012 11:56 Sabu113 wrote:
These people do a lot to delegitimize and turn atleast me personally off potentially valid causes.
like this? please explain the validity of the beatingtrannies subreddit so that your massive generalization can hold. Would you please stop straw manning every single poster you disagree with? You keep pushing these ridiculously broad moral brushstrokes with guilt by association. Literally not a single person here has argued that beating trannies is a good thing, mkay? Stop with the one-liner ad hominem shit posts please. Just tell me why beating a transexual person to death is the kind of thing reddit should pride itself on, as the white knight of free speech. Just tell me. Forget debate class and tell me.
It's not something anyone (or society in general in which people, trans or not, are being beaten to death in) should pride themselves on. The argument is that people discussing such things that aren't illegal (at least, here in the U.S.) should be allowed to and it doesn't damn the medium. As far as I'm aware, reposting gore images and saying "death to all trannies" isn't something that's against the law ( perhaps unfortunately... ) and as such the reddit owners are not required to remove this material. Of course, it's very different if someone actually suggests they have committed such a crime, and should definitely be investigated and prosecuted if they did.
It disgusts the fuck out of me, and makes me feel like I'll forever be an inferior individual within the eyes of society, but if it's not illegal then it's their choice to allow it or not. The people involved in such advocating and spreading of images should be ashamed of themselves, and I hope to god they someday see the error of their ways (or walk ten inches in my shoes for a day before saying trans people aren't humans.)
After defending such material though, it makes me strongly consider whether freedom of speech is really fucking worth it or not.
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On September 18 2012 12:23 Alay wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 12:03 yeastiality wrote:On September 18 2012 12:01 jdseemoreglass wrote:On September 18 2012 11:59 yeastiality wrote:On September 18 2012 11:56 Sabu113 wrote:
These people do a lot to delegitimize and turn atleast me personally off potentially valid causes.
like this? please explain the validity of the beatingtrannies subreddit so that your massive generalization can hold. Would you please stop straw manning every single poster you disagree with? You keep pushing these ridiculously broad moral brushstrokes with guilt by association. Literally not a single person here has argued that beating trannies is a good thing, mkay? Stop with the one-liner ad hominem shit posts please. Just tell me why beating a transexual person to death is the kind of thing reddit should pride itself on, as the white knight of free speech. Just tell me. Forget debate class and tell me. After defending such material though, it makes me strongly consider whether freedom of speech is really fucking worth it or not.
That's the first sign that this topic shouldn't need to exist.
Freedom of speech has obvious benefits. The really famous dictators throughout history who petitioned against it were often the same people 'beating trannies' (or the equivalent in their time). It's a confusing topic to debate, for sure!
Part of growing up is that you stop making every topic into an intellectual exercise, and admit that some things are more trouble than they're worth. I'm sure a lot of people out there right now are getting freedomboners over /r/BeatingTrannies, but that doesn't mean you would be doing a disservice to anyone (who counts) by just quietly removing it. Like with the much less revolting closed subreddits mentioned earlier.
I feel like a lot of people should go study something in the humanities, and debate these things in a controlled setting, without having to expose everyday people like myself to it.
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SRS has on more than a few occassion sicced downvoting bots on accounts of people who made a joke that wasn't politically correct.
Also I thought the beating reddits were more related to hardcore bdsm porn rather than home made domestic violence. I'll admit I haven't extensively researched the issue.
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Trans violence, if it's an active instigation to violence or plotting violence then it is bad. It should be shut down. Just as any reddit that aided and abetted in planning acts of violence or crime.
It's when SRS goes after racy jokes that it gets ridiculous. Being offended by something doesn't validate your cause.
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On September 18 2012 12:30 Sabu113 wrote:
SRS has on more than a few occassion sicced downvoting bots on accounts of people who made a joke that wasn't politically correct.
Also I thought the beating reddits were more related to hardcore bdsm porn rather than home made domestic violence. I'll admit I haven't extensively researched the issue.
SRS should probably be left as a separate topic. Otherwise, you're blocking out the obvious wrongs they've identified with a big sign that says "DEBATE THE MERITS OF SRS HERE"
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Well we've seen from earlier posts that you're* really left with the trans violence post. All-in-all reddit... is doing a pretty good job?
*not specifically you
I mean is the thread closed and should we be moving on to some general thread on the limits of social activism?
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On September 18 2012 12:31 yeastiality wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 12:30 Sabu113 wrote:
SRS has on more than a few occassion sicced downvoting bots on accounts of people who made a joke that wasn't politically correct.
Also I thought the beating reddits were more related to hardcore bdsm porn rather than home made domestic violence. I'll admit I haven't extensively researched the issue. SRS should probably be left as a separate topic. Otherwise, you're blocking out the obvious wrongs they've identified with a big sign that says "DEBATE THE MERITS OF SRS HERE"
If Osama bin Laden returned from his watery grave to preach about wanting to clean the oceans he'd been rotting in, we wouldn't debate the health of the ocean, we'd be talking about an undead Osama.
Basically I'm saying r/srs is the undead osama of the internet.
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On September 18 2012 12:28 yeastiality wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 12:23 Alay wrote:On September 18 2012 12:03 yeastiality wrote:On September 18 2012 12:01 jdseemoreglass wrote:On September 18 2012 11:59 yeastiality wrote:On September 18 2012 11:56 Sabu113 wrote:
These people do a lot to delegitimize and turn atleast me personally off potentially valid causes.
like this? please explain the validity of the beatingtrannies subreddit so that your massive generalization can hold. Would you please stop straw manning every single poster you disagree with? You keep pushing these ridiculously broad moral brushstrokes with guilt by association. Literally not a single person here has argued that beating trannies is a good thing, mkay? Stop with the one-liner ad hominem shit posts please. Just tell me why beating a transexual person to death is the kind of thing reddit should pride itself on, as the white knight of free speech. Just tell me. Forget debate class and tell me. After defending such material though, it makes me strongly consider whether freedom of speech is really fucking worth it or not. That's the first sign that this topic shouldn't need to exist. Freedom of speech has obvious benefits. The really famous dictators throughout history who petitioned against it were often the same people 'beating trannies' (or the equivalent in their time). It's a confusing topic to debate, for sure! Part of growing up is that you stop making every topic into an intellectual exercise, and admit that some things are more trouble than they're worth. I'm sure a lot of people out there right now are getting freedomboners over /r/BeatingTrannies, but that doesn't mean you would be doing a disservice to anyone (who counts) by just quietly removing it. Like with the much less revolting closed subreddits mentioned earlier. I feel like a lot of people should go study something in the humanities, and debate these things in a controlled setting, without having to expose everyday people like myself to it.
In that sense, I do greatly concur. If given the power to, I'd close that subreddit and all relating to violence/gore in a heart beat. I must ponder if freedom of speech in a modern American sense hasn't simply evolved into a blanket to hide behind to spout hate speech.
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On September 18 2012 12:31 yeastiality wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 12:30 Sabu113 wrote:
SRS has on more than a few occassion sicced downvoting bots on accounts of people who made a joke that wasn't politically correct.
Also I thought the beating reddits were more related to hardcore bdsm porn rather than home made domestic violence. I'll admit I haven't extensively researched the issue. SRS should probably be left as a separate topic. Otherwise, you're blocking out the obvious wrongs they've identified with a big sign that says "DEBATE THE MERITS OF SRS HERE"
Wow, the absolute king in this thread of "let's lump all this horrible reddit shit together" is suddenly calling for distinctions and separate arguments to be made. Could you possibly be anymore hypocritical?
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On September 18 2012 12:18 yeastiality wrote:Show nested quote +
I still don't see your argument. If someone says "CP" and you don't know what that is, sure you don't evoke the images becasue you're ignorant but once you understand CP refers to Child Pornography then it is no different... X is equal to X, they mean the same thing... You can't argue an acronym desensitized anything because once you expand it in your mind which takes a matter of miliseconds in your mind it is simply the same thing.
Part of the idea is that when people 'expand it in their mind' it does remove some of the meaning associated with the phrase. This is the case with any euphemism - when I read "CP", in my head I hear "CP". I don't picture a mathemagician splitting the letters and then writing 'hild ornography' next to them. We might be different here, though. I still want to know why everyday people (for instance, in newspapers/books/television/academia) do not say "CP". Why is it exclusive to internet people? Find me a sociology paper that says "CP" and isn't about 4chan or reddit.
Everyday people don't say LOL either (although it's starting to change) but I don't see how that says anything about the laughter habits of people online. You might have an argument that people online are desensitized but citing the term "CP" is not a good example.
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my argument which related to the thread and how everyone is trashing reddit is that Reddit is a free forum, whether you talk about raping monkeys to the election the idea of freedom is inherent with relation to laws (note the closing of CP threads). Whether you agree with the freedom to discuss topics is not up for debate at all so I don't see why this is even being brought up.
It's not up for debate because the internet has never been policed properly, and cocky nerds take this to mean that they've found the ultimate bastion of FREEDOM!!!!!!11 It's being debated because it's the cornerstone of this whole topic. The fact that reddit can be all cutesy about freedom and democratized aggregation and stuff doesn't excuse them allowing things to be glorified that could not be in any other sector of our society.
The reddit admins only censor material that they think will cause them trouble legally, and that's their prerogative. I don't really understand why you're so angry. We can all agree there's nasty stuff on reddit, but it's a consequence of American laws that it's allowed. I don't think reddit specifically chose to do this in order to provide a safe haven for unsavoury types of people.
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After reading just this thread, I wouldn't have believed most TLers are atheists.
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