EPTLance Armstrong to lose Titles, Banned - Page 44
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Hyperionnn
Turkey4968 Posts
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Sassback
United States718 Posts
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zdfgucker
China594 Posts
On October 12 2012 17:59 nimdil wrote: Maybe all the results in Cycling in past decade or two should be cancelled, the federation should be disbanded and executives be trialed for mismanagement as they effectively killed the sport part in cycling. After that the new Cycling should start from scratch. Do you honestly think only cycling is affected? I sure as hell don't buy Usian Bolt's story or that of many lifters at Olympia. And I'm sure there's more. Imagine you had 15 minutes to prepare for an "unannounced" doping check - always. When there's so much money on the line people do dirty things. | ||
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Atheist
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SpiffD
Denmark1264 Posts
Standards are good, double standards are twice as good. | ||
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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On October 13 2012 06:12 Hyperionnn wrote: Dont forget that all of US Postal was doping and their team was basically ridiculous compared to other teams, I remember in one stage that there are around 25 guys remaning in the group and 7 of them was US Postal guys (They were pulling the peloton during whole day too), that's basically not possible without insane doping aww thats cute, you think the other teams were doping like crazy too? The entire sport is dirty. Fuck I know guys at the amateur level that aren't clean. Just two weekends ago at Levi's Gran Fondo he was talking win fans after the ride. When asked about doping, he said that before his time, guys had a choice. But in his generation, there is no choice. Aka everyone is doping. The sport is dirty as fuck, has been dirty as fuck and will continue to be dirty as fuck. You really think Bradley Wiggins can just recover from winning the Tour De France to taking the gold medal in the Olympics, what 2 weeks apart? All natural right? LOL. | ||
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Samurai-
Slovenia2035 Posts
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Hyperionnn
Turkey4968 Posts
On October 13 2012 18:00 jmbthirteen wrote: aww thats cute, you think the other teams were doping like crazy too? The entire sport is dirty. Fuck I know guys at the amateur level that aren't clean. Just two weekends ago at Levi's Gran Fondo he was talking win fans after the ride. When asked about doping, he said that before his time, guys had a choice. But in his generation, there is no choice. Aka everyone is doping. The sport is dirty as fuck, has been dirty as fuck and will continue to be dirty as fuck. You really think Bradley Wiggins can just recover from winning the Tour De France to taking the gold medal in the Olympics, what 2 weeks apart? All natural right? LOL. Most of the teams couldnt afford to dope every single of their riders like USPS did and there were some guys (very few though) with moderate success without doping. If you want to win big stuff, you had to dope on those days, thats fore sure | ||
nimdil
Poland3775 Posts
On October 13 2012 08:58 zdfgucker wrote: Do you honestly think only cycling is affected? I sure as hell don't buy Usian Bolt's story or that of many lifters at Olympia. And I'm sure there's more. Imagine you had 15 minutes to prepare for an "unannounced" doping check - always. When there's so much money on the line people do dirty things. Don't really know. I care about runners only every 4 years during the games. And not that much to be honest. However the cycling had articles about dopers for years know. I don't think that doping is such a problem in i.e. tennis. Whether the doping problem is so big only in cycling or in many, many sports as well is not something that makes my point valid or not. This should be done with every sport federation that allows their athletes to evolve from athletes to superDopers. | ||
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Selkie
United States530 Posts
The entire thing start to finish smells. I personally think he did it without doping, and regardless of what they say, he still has them in my mind. | ||
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Serthius
Samoa226 Posts
On October 12 2012 23:31 Poltergeist- wrote: Give the guy a gold medal for cheating, he's worth it for sure. Seriously, that takes dedication. Surely you're not worthy of the gold medal for cheating if you get caught. It should go to someone like Usain Bolt instead. | ||
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nimdil
Poland3775 Posts
On October 13 2012 21:06 Selkie wrote: We won't mention that they broke the chain of evidence (evidence that previous had exonerated him...), then tried to use it to convict him. The entire thing start to finish smells. I personally think he did it without doping, and regardless of what they say, he still has them in my mind. That's sad attitude. | ||
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reincremate
China2216 Posts
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
On October 14 2012 00:08 reincremate wrote: Didn't this guy die on the moon a few months ago? I think you mean Louie Armstrong. ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Louis_Armstrong_restored.jpg/250px-Louis_Armstrong_restored.jpg) | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On October 13 2012 02:30 radscorpion9 wrote: Well that's depressing. I never knew it was this widespread before reading Armstrong's story...they have to get serious with the rules then. If they want cycling to be seen as a legitimate sport, then maybe they have to start enacting much more invasive measures, because I don't see how else anything is going to change. If it continues to be a farce, who is going to keep watching? There has to be *some* way to control them, I don't know what draconian measures would be involved, but they need something. The problem rests in the fact that it's incredibly hard to regulate what the athletes are taking because in many cases all it takes is changing one molecule and the compound goes undetected. If you have a really good chemist who is well read on what's safe and what isn't well then they can come up with an incredibly potent mixture that will gain you an edge to go along with your training. This isn't just cycling either. The tests they do in the NHL, NFL, MLB, NBA, UFC, etc. are a joke. If you get caught then your people got incredibly lazy and didn't do their job right. It takes a lot of trust as well. There are a lot of layers to the problem and we've barely scratched the surface and like I said earlier it's a complete nightmare to regulate. There is no such thing as a level playing field. Case in point some people are genetically inferior to others; we're not all created as equals in sport. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
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lord_nibbler
Germany591 Posts
On October 14 2012 07:52 Grumbels wrote: Curiously, Jan Ullrich seems to have been clean in 2000 and 2001, despite getting second place both times. I think that means that cycling was a lot cleaner in the post-Festina days than previously thought and it was only in 2002-2004 that everyone started the team-wide doping programs again. And the reason for that has a name: Lance Armstrong! Everybody in cycling knows, it was the decision to let Armstrong compete after his cancer that 'opened the gates'. | ||
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cari-kira
Germany655 Posts
the "pot belge" or "belgischer mischung" (german) is a mixture of drugs like heroin, cocaine, amphetamine and others that made cyclist forget their pain the last century. as ridiculous as it sounds, this is still being used even today. many won with it, many died from it, being able to drive until they literally died on the bike. this history always is the dark shadow that lies over every driver. today every 12 year old gets asthma spray from his father for better breathing in even the smallest amateur races. in my opinion this sport needs a sort of cut, a reset and a new start. i dont know how this can be archieved though. but these structures are old and still active, and so is the mindset. to punish people of which the doping agencies get proof of doping is just a start, be it a nameless driver without a big name or TDF winner like jan ullrich or lance armstrong. and people who think that there is _any_ clean driver who'd be able to get top50 in races like TDF or Giro in the last 50 years really dont have a clue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pot_Belge | ||
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Mr.Faces
United States121 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_Gaumont | ||
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