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On July 09 2012 22:37 decker247777 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 22:32 Elsid wrote:On July 09 2012 22:25 decker247777 wrote:On July 09 2012 22:12 HellRoxYa wrote:On July 09 2012 22:04 decker247777 wrote:On July 09 2012 21:59 Zorkmid wrote:On July 09 2012 21:56 decker247777 wrote:
This is stupid. I recognize that people should have a choice in what they do, however, I do not have to accept that it is the correct or right thing to do.The main problem i see with gay marriage is all of a sudden it starts becoming more normal and not seen as taboo. This would literally not be cool with me in any way shape or form, due to how it could open up a world of bullcrap ,such as; age is just a number, pedophiles should have human rights, Rapists should get free benefits, murderers should get second chances, and so on and forth. I am not cool with this, let them be gay if they want to be gay, but as far as marriage goes, it should be left to a man and a woman only. Also, straight couples have a higher chance of having kids then a gay couple even with today's scientific advancements and adoption methods. What the shit man? How does gay marriage lead to free pedophilia and rapist social security? See my above post. You mean gays in general? I only am against gay marriage not gay people. The reason it could is due to how things become normal and then people decide to change something else due to their bleeding heart ideology. Oh its wrong that we treat rapists that way, its not their fault they don't have a choice in how they act. DO YOU LITERALLY NOT SEE THIS BULLCRAP CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO LOGICS? I am saying it could happen and dammit there is a real possibility with how stupid people are becoming. Now what i am saying is that,we should let it stay at gay marriage debates and keep it there so we don't ever have to deal with this crap. Sounds great. The line isn't at gay marriage however, and once you realize that you also realize that you have no argument. And while I'm at it, pedophiles have human rights and, as they are human, they should have them. I would hope that you are confusing pedophiles with actively practicing pedophiles (that is, child rapists). A pedophile is someone who's sexual orientation means that they are attracted to kids. It does not mean that they act on it, or have acted on it. Even a rapist, of children or otherwise, still has basic human rights just like everyone else. Murderers should in general be given second chances as long as they are deemed rehabilitated and have served their term. Lastly, though, I'm sure this is how a lot of people argued for segregation. "Well, I think it should stay. I mean if we allow this, what's next? Gay people being okay?". Societal evolution is great and not something to be feared. Man andrew anders was right about being politically correct. Listen, you can believe or talk however you want. Due to my STANDARDS and the way i live. I cannot agree that child rapists should live, let alone have basic human rights.Murderers should have their lives taken from them as they have taken life from others.As far as political correctness goes, it can suck my dick. This is not how a society should be run in any way shape or form. I believe gay people have the right to be gay. That is their choice, and i have nothing against their choice except i believe it is wrong. Being gay although is like lying or having sex before marriage so its not like a big deal.If i support gay marriage i would support the fact that i believe it is correct and right to be gay when that goes against my very moral foundation. Yeah good luck being politically correct, dat marxism at work. i do agree with as long as they do not act on their sexual orientation they shouldn't lose their human rights. And pray tell what is your dim witted hair brained laughable obtuse half baked reasoning for why homosexual marriage is "wrong"? I believe a higher power created us for specific things. These things have a correct way to do things and an incorrect way to do things.This is why I believe being gay is wrong. Also it is in the Bible but it is not the main reason as far as you should consider the reason why I believe it is wrong.
Too bad your higher power can't come down to earth and explain exactly what's wrong with it. You can't make laws based on the opinion on something we're not even sure exists.
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On July 08 2012 18:44 phodacbiet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 18:36 TirramirooO wrote:
Sick of talking about gay people.. Im not Christian, i dont believe in religion but that is totally the ANTICHRIST... With the same sex you cant make children soo is against nature but make people understant that is becoming hard.
Keep going, in the future you all gonna open your EYES.
This is a common misconception about what would happen if gay marriage were to be legalized. There are MILLIONS of babies that are available for adoption and the gay community doesnt even make up 50% of our population so we would barely even see a dent in our population increase. Even if gay marriage legalization does cause the population to go down, then it is a good thing (look at china/india and other countries with overpopulation problem). Also, if you dont believe in religion, then why does it matter if this is anti christ..?
Look at the entier planet with an overpopulation problem, hahaha.
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On July 09 2012 22:45 Paperplane wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 22:37 decker247777 wrote:On July 09 2012 22:32 Elsid wrote:On July 09 2012 22:25 decker247777 wrote:On July 09 2012 22:12 HellRoxYa wrote:On July 09 2012 22:04 decker247777 wrote:On July 09 2012 21:59 Zorkmid wrote:On July 09 2012 21:56 decker247777 wrote:
This is stupid. I recognize that people should have a choice in what they do, however, I do not have to accept that it is the correct or right thing to do.The main problem i see with gay marriage is all of a sudden it starts becoming more normal and not seen as taboo. This would literally not be cool with me in any way shape or form, due to how it could open up a world of bullcrap ,such as; age is just a number, pedophiles should have human rights, Rapists should get free benefits, murderers should get second chances, and so on and forth. I am not cool with this, let them be gay if they want to be gay, but as far as marriage goes, it should be left to a man and a woman only. Also, straight couples have a higher chance of having kids then a gay couple even with today's scientific advancements and adoption methods. What the shit man? How does gay marriage lead to free pedophilia and rapist social security? See my above post. You mean gays in general? I only am against gay marriage not gay people. The reason it could is due to how things become normal and then people decide to change something else due to their bleeding heart ideology. Oh its wrong that we treat rapists that way, its not their fault they don't have a choice in how they act. DO YOU LITERALLY NOT SEE THIS BULLCRAP CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO LOGICS? I am saying it could happen and dammit there is a real possibility with how stupid people are becoming. Now what i am saying is that,we should let it stay at gay marriage debates and keep it there so we don't ever have to deal with this crap. Sounds great. The line isn't at gay marriage however, and once you realize that you also realize that you have no argument. And while I'm at it, pedophiles have human rights and, as they are human, they should have them. I would hope that you are confusing pedophiles with actively practicing pedophiles (that is, child rapists). A pedophile is someone who's sexual orientation means that they are attracted to kids. It does not mean that they act on it, or have acted on it. Even a rapist, of children or otherwise, still has basic human rights just like everyone else. Murderers should in general be given second chances as long as they are deemed rehabilitated and have served their term. Lastly, though, I'm sure this is how a lot of people argued for segregation. "Well, I think it should stay. I mean if we allow this, what's next? Gay people being okay?". Societal evolution is great and not something to be feared. Man andrew anders was right about being politically correct. Listen, you can believe or talk however you want. Due to my STANDARDS and the way i live. I cannot agree that child rapists should live, let alone have basic human rights.Murderers should have their lives taken from them as they have taken life from others.As far as political correctness goes, it can suck my dick. This is not how a society should be run in any way shape or form. I believe gay people have the right to be gay. That is their choice, and i have nothing against their choice except i believe it is wrong. Being gay although is like lying or having sex before marriage so its not like a big deal.If i support gay marriage i would support the fact that i believe it is correct and right to be gay when that goes against my very moral foundation. Yeah good luck being politically correct, dat marxism at work. i do agree with as long as they do not act on their sexual orientation they shouldn't lose their human rights. And pray tell what is your dim witted hair brained laughable obtuse half baked reasoning for why homosexual marriage is "wrong"? I believe a higher power created us for specific things. These things have a correct way to do things and an incorrect way to do things.This is why I believe being gay is wrong. Also it is in the Bible but it is not the main reason as far as you should consider the reason why I believe it is wrong. Too bad your higher power can't come down to earth and explain exactly what's wrong with it. You can't make laws based on the opinion on something we're not even sure exists.
Apparently Jesus came down to earth ,and already did that. Now this is where faith comes into play as far as was Jesus, God in the flesh? Although you cannot deny the fact that Jesus did exist on this earth.If you do, ill let other atheists tear you a new one.
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I don't no what the problem is, same-sex marriage has been legal here for over 10 years.
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On July 09 2012 21:57 taintmachine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 21:28 BobbyT wrote:On July 09 2012 20:54 Santa Cruz wrote:On July 09 2012 19:45 Glurkenspurk wrote:The fact that in 2012 it's still socially acceptable to discriminate against homosexuals is fucking disgusting. Only because you live in a first world country. In many countries sexism is still acceptable, so is the death penalty. I know this is a controversial statement and I'm not saying I support it, but I genuinely believe that in the future pedophilia will become legal to some extent. Go back a few generations and Marilyn Monroe showing some leg was considered porn. Today we have teenagers wearing makeup and miniskirts and in general listening to pop songs about getting drunk and having promiscuous sex. It's only a matter of time before the age of consent is lowered, firstly for younger teenagers (so an adult can't have sex with a younger teenager, but two younger teenagers can legally have sex with one another), and then eventually you can watch porn with two consenting younger teenagers, until finally anyone can have sex with younger teenagers due to more education surrounding sex and the rapid development of maturity of young teenagers. If you don't believe me, ask your grandparents whether it was conceivable that people would be having sex without being married, and with multiple partners. It was simply out of the question back in their time. Most of the stunt in progress has been due to religion and it's good to see Google pushing forward with a secularist agenda. Agreed. With a rationale of "legalize love" there is of course no reason not to allow one type of relationship that involves love and not allow another. This is a problem with the gay marriage movement and a question that I think has yet to be answered by those supporting it. consent has a lot to do with sex in america. minors are generally not seen as being able to legally consent to various things. the homosexual marriage issue is concerned with a consenual relationship b/w adults. as the law sees it, a minor cannot legally consent to a sexual relationship with an adult. if americans changed their views on consent then maybe but as i said, this concerns adults to a few other people, being afraid of homosexual pedophiles as a result of homosexual rights is ridiculous. it'd make more sense to be morally outraged at heterosexual marriage, as afaik heterosexual pedophilia is more common (note some ppl don't even label pedophiles as being homosexual or heterosexual, tho i don't think that makes much sense)
That's a fair enough point, although I don't think we should be satisfied with the idea that the only thing stopping an older adult from having a sexual relationship with a young teen is the idea that the teen cannot legally consent.
Accepting your point however we still run into problems with the "legalize love" rationale in stopping polygamy, or in stopping incestual relationships by consenting adults (and even if you argue that it's unhealthy for their potential children, that doesnt stop a same sex incestual relationship or a relationship by people who are sterile). My basic point is that the idea that we should be "legalizing love" doesn't really make any sense with the actual changes people want. Obviously most people aren't in favor of legalizing polygamy or incestual marriage, and since both of those relationships involve love and are between consenting adults, how do you justify legalizing one but not the other?
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On July 09 2012 22:54 BobbyT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 21:57 taintmachine wrote:On July 09 2012 21:28 BobbyT wrote:On July 09 2012 20:54 Santa Cruz wrote:On July 09 2012 19:45 Glurkenspurk wrote:The fact that in 2012 it's still socially acceptable to discriminate against homosexuals is fucking disgusting. Only because you live in a first world country. In many countries sexism is still acceptable, so is the death penalty. I know this is a controversial statement and I'm not saying I support it, but I genuinely believe that in the future pedophilia will become legal to some extent. Go back a few generations and Marilyn Monroe showing some leg was considered porn. Today we have teenagers wearing makeup and miniskirts and in general listening to pop songs about getting drunk and having promiscuous sex. It's only a matter of time before the age of consent is lowered, firstly for younger teenagers (so an adult can't have sex with a younger teenager, but two younger teenagers can legally have sex with one another), and then eventually you can watch porn with two consenting younger teenagers, until finally anyone can have sex with younger teenagers due to more education surrounding sex and the rapid development of maturity of young teenagers. If you don't believe me, ask your grandparents whether it was conceivable that people would be having sex without being married, and with multiple partners. It was simply out of the question back in their time. Most of the stunt in progress has been due to religion and it's good to see Google pushing forward with a secularist agenda. Agreed. With a rationale of "legalize love" there is of course no reason not to allow one type of relationship that involves love and not allow another. This is a problem with the gay marriage movement and a question that I think has yet to be answered by those supporting it. consent has a lot to do with sex in america. minors are generally not seen as being able to legally consent to various things. the homosexual marriage issue is concerned with a consenual relationship b/w adults. as the law sees it, a minor cannot legally consent to a sexual relationship with an adult. if americans changed their views on consent then maybe but as i said, this concerns adults to a few other people, being afraid of homosexual pedophiles as a result of homosexual rights is ridiculous. it'd make more sense to be morally outraged at heterosexual marriage, as afaik heterosexual pedophilia is more common (note some ppl don't even label pedophiles as being homosexual or heterosexual, tho i don't think that makes much sense) That's a fair enough point, although I don't think we should be satisfied with the idea that the only thing stopping an older adult from having a sexual relationship with a young teen is the idea that the teen cannot legally consent. Accepting your point however we still run into problems with the "legalize love" rationale in stopping polygamy, or in stopping incestual relationships by consenting adults (and even if you argue that it's unhealthy for their potential children, that doesnt stop a same sex incestual relationship or a relationship by people who are sterile). My basic point is that the idea that we should be "legalizing love" doesn't really make any sense with the actual changes people want. Obviously most people aren't in favor of legalizing polygamy or incestual marriage, and since of those relationships involve love and are between consenting adults, how do you justify legalizing one but not the other?
I really don't think there is a problem with consensual polygamy or consensual incest. There done now it's all justified legally. Not to mention the law at the moment clearly shows it doesn't have to make sense with straight people being fine to marry but gay people not.
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On July 09 2012 22:50 decker247777 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 22:45 Paperplane wrote:On July 09 2012 22:37 decker247777 wrote:On July 09 2012 22:32 Elsid wrote:On July 09 2012 22:25 decker247777 wrote:On July 09 2012 22:12 HellRoxYa wrote:On July 09 2012 22:04 decker247777 wrote:On July 09 2012 21:59 Zorkmid wrote:On July 09 2012 21:56 decker247777 wrote:
This is stupid. I recognize that people should have a choice in what they do, however, I do not have to accept that it is the correct or right thing to do.The main problem i see with gay marriage is all of a sudden it starts becoming more normal and not seen as taboo. This would literally not be cool with me in any way shape or form, due to how it could open up a world of bullcrap ,such as; age is just a number, pedophiles should have human rights, Rapists should get free benefits, murderers should get second chances, and so on and forth. I am not cool with this, let them be gay if they want to be gay, but as far as marriage goes, it should be left to a man and a woman only. Also, straight couples have a higher chance of having kids then a gay couple even with today's scientific advancements and adoption methods. What the shit man? How does gay marriage lead to free pedophilia and rapist social security? See my above post. You mean gays in general? I only am against gay marriage not gay people. The reason it could is due to how things become normal and then people decide to change something else due to their bleeding heart ideology. Oh its wrong that we treat rapists that way, its not their fault they don't have a choice in how they act. DO YOU LITERALLY NOT SEE THIS BULLCRAP CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO LOGICS? I am saying it could happen and dammit there is a real possibility with how stupid people are becoming. Now what i am saying is that,we should let it stay at gay marriage debates and keep it there so we don't ever have to deal with this crap. Sounds great. The line isn't at gay marriage however, and once you realize that you also realize that you have no argument. And while I'm at it, pedophiles have human rights and, as they are human, they should have them. I would hope that you are confusing pedophiles with actively practicing pedophiles (that is, child rapists). A pedophile is someone who's sexual orientation means that they are attracted to kids. It does not mean that they act on it, or have acted on it. Even a rapist, of children or otherwise, still has basic human rights just like everyone else. Murderers should in general be given second chances as long as they are deemed rehabilitated and have served their term. Lastly, though, I'm sure this is how a lot of people argued for segregation. "Well, I think it should stay. I mean if we allow this, what's next? Gay people being okay?". Societal evolution is great and not something to be feared. Man andrew anders was right about being politically correct. Listen, you can believe or talk however you want. Due to my STANDARDS and the way i live. I cannot agree that child rapists should live, let alone have basic human rights.Murderers should have their lives taken from them as they have taken life from others.As far as political correctness goes, it can suck my dick. This is not how a society should be run in any way shape or form. I believe gay people have the right to be gay. That is their choice, and i have nothing against their choice except i believe it is wrong. Being gay although is like lying or having sex before marriage so its not like a big deal.If i support gay marriage i would support the fact that i believe it is correct and right to be gay when that goes against my very moral foundation. Yeah good luck being politically correct, dat marxism at work. i do agree with as long as they do not act on their sexual orientation they shouldn't lose their human rights. And pray tell what is your dim witted hair brained laughable obtuse half baked reasoning for why homosexual marriage is "wrong"? I believe a higher power created us for specific things. These things have a correct way to do things and an incorrect way to do things.This is why I believe being gay is wrong. Also it is in the Bible but it is not the main reason as far as you should consider the reason why I believe it is wrong. Too bad your higher power can't come down to earth and explain exactly what's wrong with it. You can't make laws based on the opinion on something we're not even sure exists. Apparently Jesus came down to earth ,and already did that. Now this is where faith comes into play as far as was Jesus, God in the flesh? Although you cannot deny the fact that Jesus did exist on this earth.If you do, ill let other atheists tear you a new one.
There is no hard evidence that the mythical figure of Jesus was based on a real person. Though the overwhelming majority of historians do believe that there probably was such a person, the position that there wasn't, is not ridiculous. Very few contemporary sources mention such a person, and those that do are ambiguous at best, and are not eyewitness reports. They very well could refer to any number of Jewish cult leaders.
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On July 09 2012 22:50 decker247777 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 22:45 Paperplane wrote:On July 09 2012 22:37 decker247777 wrote:On July 09 2012 22:32 Elsid wrote:On July 09 2012 22:25 decker247777 wrote:On July 09 2012 22:12 HellRoxYa wrote:On July 09 2012 22:04 decker247777 wrote:On July 09 2012 21:59 Zorkmid wrote:On July 09 2012 21:56 decker247777 wrote:
This is stupid. I recognize that people should have a choice in what they do, however, I do not have to accept that it is the correct or right thing to do.The main problem i see with gay marriage is all of a sudden it starts becoming more normal and not seen as taboo. This would literally not be cool with me in any way shape or form, due to how it could open up a world of bullcrap ,such as; age is just a number, pedophiles should have human rights, Rapists should get free benefits, murderers should get second chances, and so on and forth. I am not cool with this, let them be gay if they want to be gay, but as far as marriage goes, it should be left to a man and a woman only. Also, straight couples have a higher chance of having kids then a gay couple even with today's scientific advancements and adoption methods. What the shit man? How does gay marriage lead to free pedophilia and rapist social security? See my above post. You mean gays in general? I only am against gay marriage not gay people. The reason it could is due to how things become normal and then people decide to change something else due to their bleeding heart ideology. Oh its wrong that we treat rapists that way, its not their fault they don't have a choice in how they act. DO YOU LITERALLY NOT SEE THIS BULLCRAP CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO LOGICS? I am saying it could happen and dammit there is a real possibility with how stupid people are becoming. Now what i am saying is that,we should let it stay at gay marriage debates and keep it there so we don't ever have to deal with this crap. Sounds great. The line isn't at gay marriage however, and once you realize that you also realize that you have no argument. And while I'm at it, pedophiles have human rights and, as they are human, they should have them. I would hope that you are confusing pedophiles with actively practicing pedophiles (that is, child rapists). A pedophile is someone who's sexual orientation means that they are attracted to kids. It does not mean that they act on it, or have acted on it. Even a rapist, of children or otherwise, still has basic human rights just like everyone else. Murderers should in general be given second chances as long as they are deemed rehabilitated and have served their term. Lastly, though, I'm sure this is how a lot of people argued for segregation. "Well, I think it should stay. I mean if we allow this, what's next? Gay people being okay?". Societal evolution is great and not something to be feared. Man andrew anders was right about being politically correct. Listen, you can believe or talk however you want. Due to my STANDARDS and the way i live. I cannot agree that child rapists should live, let alone have basic human rights.Murderers should have their lives taken from them as they have taken life from others.As far as political correctness goes, it can suck my dick. This is not how a society should be run in any way shape or form. I believe gay people have the right to be gay. That is their choice, and i have nothing against their choice except i believe it is wrong. Being gay although is like lying or having sex before marriage so its not like a big deal.If i support gay marriage i would support the fact that i believe it is correct and right to be gay when that goes against my very moral foundation. Yeah good luck being politically correct, dat marxism at work. i do agree with as long as they do not act on their sexual orientation they shouldn't lose their human rights. And pray tell what is your dim witted hair brained laughable obtuse half baked reasoning for why homosexual marriage is "wrong"? I believe a higher power created us for specific things. These things have a correct way to do things and an incorrect way to do things.This is why I believe being gay is wrong. Also it is in the Bible but it is not the main reason as far as you should consider the reason why I believe it is wrong. Too bad your higher power can't come down to earth and explain exactly what's wrong with it. You can't make laws based on the opinion on something we're not even sure exists. Apparently Jesus came down to earth ,and already did that. Now this is where faith comes into play as far as was Jesus, God in the flesh? Although you cannot deny the fact that Jesus did exist on this earth.If you do, ill let other atheists tear you a new one.
Yeah sorry I don't buy the whole jesus story. I don't believe someone who could walk on water (except David Blaine of course) ever existed.
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On July 09 2012 22:01 Elsid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 21:56 decker247777 wrote:
This is stupid. I recognize that people should have a choice in what they do, however, I do not have to accept that it is the correct or right thing to do.The main problem i see with gay marriage is all of a sudden it starts becoming more normal and not seen as taboo. This would literally not be cool with me in any way shape or form, due to how it could open up a world of bullcrap ,such as; age is just a number, pedophiles should have human rights, Rapists should get free benefits, murderers should get second chances, and so on and forth. I am not cool with this, let them be gay if they want to be gay, but as far as marriage goes, it should be left to a man and a woman only. Also, straight couples have a higher chance of having kids then a gay couple even with today's scientific advancements and adoption methods. What the fuck are you even saying, being gay has nothing to do with rape murder or pedophilia so first of all leave that out of your post. Second of all paragraphs are good , they make your writing easier to write , not that i think your writing has any merit as it stands as you're talking utter shite. Gay marriage =/= rapists get free benefits (whatever that means? benefits?) Gay marriage =/= murderers getting second chances (not that I see what's wrong with murderers who have been rehabilitated). Having children has nothing to do with this issue sterile people can be married so that automatically defeats that argument. Please before you post again consider thinking , reading , opening your mind , not making bullshit analogies. Thanks.
Hi i heard you were a politically controlled noob. I hope you can actually form opinions without it being politically correct but with seeing how you agree that murderers should get a second chance that probably isn't going to happen.
Now on to what i tried to say but kind of failed due to how its all over the place. Gay marriage is just another thing of political correctness. I despise political correctness with a passion therefore if it is against what i believe, i will stand against it.If it wasn't with political correctness would i stand against gay marriage, I honestly have no idea, but seeing as how that probably will never happen.
Political correctness has tie ins with everything that could happen, i do not think gay marriage equals those thing but i believe what is the driving force behind it definitely could do that.
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On July 09 2012 22:59 decker247777 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 22:01 Elsid wrote:On July 09 2012 21:56 decker247777 wrote:
This is stupid. I recognize that people should have a choice in what they do, however, I do not have to accept that it is the correct or right thing to do.The main problem i see with gay marriage is all of a sudden it starts becoming more normal and not seen as taboo. This would literally not be cool with me in any way shape or form, due to how it could open up a world of bullcrap ,such as; age is just a number, pedophiles should have human rights, Rapists should get free benefits, murderers should get second chances, and so on and forth. I am not cool with this, let them be gay if they want to be gay, but as far as marriage goes, it should be left to a man and a woman only. Also, straight couples have a higher chance of having kids then a gay couple even with today's scientific advancements and adoption methods. What the fuck are you even saying, being gay has nothing to do with rape murder or pedophilia so first of all leave that out of your post. Second of all paragraphs are good , they make your writing easier to write , not that i think your writing has any merit as it stands as you're talking utter shite. Gay marriage =/= rapists get free benefits (whatever that means? benefits?) Gay marriage =/= murderers getting second chances (not that I see what's wrong with murderers who have been rehabilitated). Having children has nothing to do with this issue sterile people can be married so that automatically defeats that argument. Please before you post again consider thinking , reading , opening your mind , not making bullshit analogies. Thanks. Hi i heard you were a politically controlled noob. I hope you can actually form opinions without it being politically correct but with seeing how you agree that murderers should get a second chance that probably isn't going to happen. Now on to what i tried to say but kind of failed due to how its all over the place. Gay marriage is just another thing of political correctness. I despise political correctness with a passion therefore if it is against what i believe, i will stand against it.If it wasn't with political correctness would i stand against gay marriage, I honestly have no idea, but seeing as how that probably will never happen. Political correctness has tie ins with everything that could happen, i do not think gay marriage equals those thing but i believe what is the driving force behind it definitely could do that.
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On July 09 2012 22:59 decker247777 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 22:01 Elsid wrote:On July 09 2012 21:56 decker247777 wrote:
This is stupid. I recognize that people should have a choice in what they do, however, I do not have to accept that it is the correct or right thing to do.The main problem i see with gay marriage is all of a sudden it starts becoming more normal and not seen as taboo. This would literally not be cool with me in any way shape or form, due to how it could open up a world of bullcrap ,such as; age is just a number, pedophiles should have human rights, Rapists should get free benefits, murderers should get second chances, and so on and forth. I am not cool with this, let them be gay if they want to be gay, but as far as marriage goes, it should be left to a man and a woman only. Also, straight couples have a higher chance of having kids then a gay couple even with today's scientific advancements and adoption methods. What the fuck are you even saying, being gay has nothing to do with rape murder or pedophilia so first of all leave that out of your post. Second of all paragraphs are good , they make your writing easier to write , not that i think your writing has any merit as it stands as you're talking utter shite. Gay marriage =/= rapists get free benefits (whatever that means? benefits?) Gay marriage =/= murderers getting second chances (not that I see what's wrong with murderers who have been rehabilitated). Having children has nothing to do with this issue sterile people can be married so that automatically defeats that argument. Please before you post again consider thinking , reading , opening your mind , not making bullshit analogies. Thanks. Hi i heard you were a politically controlled noob. I hope you can actually form opinions without it being politically correct but with seeing how you agree that murderers should get a second chance that probably isn't going to happen.
Since you seem to not care for political correctness:
I hope you can actually form opinions without having to copy/paste them from a book that ought to be in the fantasy-section of the library. You don't see me quoting Lord of the Rings and claiming it to be the ultimate truth, now, do you?
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On July 09 2012 22:59 decker247777 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 22:01 Elsid wrote:On July 09 2012 21:56 decker247777 wrote:
This is stupid. I recognize that people should have a choice in what they do, however, I do not have to accept that it is the correct or right thing to do.The main problem i see with gay marriage is all of a sudden it starts becoming more normal and not seen as taboo. This would literally not be cool with me in any way shape or form, due to how it could open up a world of bullcrap ,such as; age is just a number, pedophiles should have human rights, Rapists should get free benefits, murderers should get second chances, and so on and forth. I am not cool with this, let them be gay if they want to be gay, but as far as marriage goes, it should be left to a man and a woman only. Also, straight couples have a higher chance of having kids then a gay couple even with today's scientific advancements and adoption methods. What the fuck are you even saying, being gay has nothing to do with rape murder or pedophilia so first of all leave that out of your post. Second of all paragraphs are good , they make your writing easier to write , not that i think your writing has any merit as it stands as you're talking utter shite. Gay marriage =/= rapists get free benefits (whatever that means? benefits?) Gay marriage =/= murderers getting second chances (not that I see what's wrong with murderers who have been rehabilitated). Having children has nothing to do with this issue sterile people can be married so that automatically defeats that argument. Please before you post again consider thinking , reading , opening your mind , not making bullshit analogies. Thanks. Hi i heard you were a politically controlled noob. I hope you can actually form opinions without it being politically correct but with seeing how you agree that murderers should get a second chance that probably isn't going to happen. Now on to what i tried to say but kind of failed due to how its all over the place. Gay marriage is just another thing of political correctness. I despise political correctness with a passion therefore if it is against what i believe, i will stand against it.If it wasn't with political correctness would i stand against gay marriage, I honestly have no idea, but seeing as how that probably will never happen. Political correctness has tie ins with everything that could happen, i do not think gay marriage equals those thing but i believe what is the driving force behind it definitely could do that.
Do you even KNOW what you're saying? Seriously READ back your posts before you post them, maybe you could see what kind of utter garbage you are puking unto these forums. I guess you warned us beforehand with your sig.
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On July 09 2012 22:41 Gnosis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 22:34 decker247777 wrote:On July 09 2012 22:11 Crushinator wrote:On July 09 2012 22:04 decker247777 wrote:On July 09 2012 21:59 Zorkmid wrote:On July 09 2012 21:56 decker247777 wrote:
This is stupid. I recognize that people should have a choice in what they do, however, I do not have to accept that it is the correct or right thing to do.The main problem i see with gay marriage is all of a sudden it starts becoming more normal and not seen as taboo. This would literally not be cool with me in any way shape or form, due to how it could open up a world of bullcrap ,such as; age is just a number, pedophiles should have human rights, Rapists should get free benefits, murderers should get second chances, and so on and forth. I am not cool with this, let them be gay if they want to be gay, but as far as marriage goes, it should be left to a man and a woman only. Also, straight couples have a higher chance of having kids then a gay couple even with today's scientific advancements and adoption methods. What the shit man? How does gay marriage lead to free pedophilia and rapist social security? See my above post. You mean gays in general? I only am against gay marriage not gay people. The reason it could is due to how things become normal and then people decide to change something else due to their bleeding heart ideology. Oh its wrong that we treat rapists that way, its not their fault they don't have a choice in how they act. DO YOU LITERALLY NOT SEE THIS BULLCRAP CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO LOGICS? I am saying it could happen and dammit there is a real possibility with how stupid people are becoming. Now what i am saying is that,we should let it stay at gay marriage debates and keep it there so we don't ever have to deal with this crap. Your post is an excellent example of how stupid some people have been for ages. What a bunch of idiotic incoherent rambling. Learn to construct a fucking argument. i call bullshit, my argument is taking two things that have a similar background to it. The level of the two vary at a substantial amount yet the main ideology is intact. We have a choice in everything we do, I believe we should take account for whatever decisions we make whether they are good or bad.Being gay is nowhere near as bad as raping someone yet it is still a choice in my book. I believe that political correctness is a bunch of bullshit. If you are politically correct you can call someone a bigot or retarded and its perfectly ok.It also tries to make humans seem like they have no logic and no reason and no ability to comprehend what they do. This is literally bullshit, I know for a fact that unless you literally are retarded due to a medical condition, you do have control over what you do and say. Even though i am probably a thousand times smarter then you.You can say what you want about who I am or what I believe in.At least i am not controlled by what society deems as correct. Just because you are comparing two things which you believe are choices, doesn't make the comparison valid. If you want to argue on the basis of moral decay, e.g. that gay marriage is one step down the path of moral decay, pederasty another (what you called pedophilia), then perhaps you should (and good luck with that as well). As for me, I don't agree with gay marriage, but I hesitate to say that, frankly, in a discussion dominated by self-enlightened moralists who have nothing better to do than to try to shame people into their belief (or out of the discussion). If gay marriage isn't wrong because there's no 'right or wrong' (strictly speaking), then there's nothing wrong with my view either. If morality is relative, then please shut up. If there is something substantial to morality, I haven't really seen that sort of thinking on display.
Causing unnecessary harm to other people is wrong. Segregating a portion of the population for no reason, denying them the same treatment as is afforded to others or imposing one person's belief system over others causes such harm.
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On July 09 2012 22:55 Elsid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 22:54 BobbyT wrote:On July 09 2012 21:57 taintmachine wrote:On July 09 2012 21:28 BobbyT wrote:On July 09 2012 20:54 Santa Cruz wrote:On July 09 2012 19:45 Glurkenspurk wrote:The fact that in 2012 it's still socially acceptable to discriminate against homosexuals is fucking disgusting. Only because you live in a first world country. In many countries sexism is still acceptable, so is the death penalty. I know this is a controversial statement and I'm not saying I support it, but I genuinely believe that in the future pedophilia will become legal to some extent. Go back a few generations and Marilyn Monroe showing some leg was considered porn. Today we have teenagers wearing makeup and miniskirts and in general listening to pop songs about getting drunk and having promiscuous sex. It's only a matter of time before the age of consent is lowered, firstly for younger teenagers (so an adult can't have sex with a younger teenager, but two younger teenagers can legally have sex with one another), and then eventually you can watch porn with two consenting younger teenagers, until finally anyone can have sex with younger teenagers due to more education surrounding sex and the rapid development of maturity of young teenagers. If you don't believe me, ask your grandparents whether it was conceivable that people would be having sex without being married, and with multiple partners. It was simply out of the question back in their time. Most of the stunt in progress has been due to religion and it's good to see Google pushing forward with a secularist agenda. Agreed. With a rationale of "legalize love" there is of course no reason not to allow one type of relationship that involves love and not allow another. This is a problem with the gay marriage movement and a question that I think has yet to be answered by those supporting it. consent has a lot to do with sex in america. minors are generally not seen as being able to legally consent to various things. the homosexual marriage issue is concerned with a consenual relationship b/w adults. as the law sees it, a minor cannot legally consent to a sexual relationship with an adult. if americans changed their views on consent then maybe but as i said, this concerns adults to a few other people, being afraid of homosexual pedophiles as a result of homosexual rights is ridiculous. it'd make more sense to be morally outraged at heterosexual marriage, as afaik heterosexual pedophilia is more common (note some ppl don't even label pedophiles as being homosexual or heterosexual, tho i don't think that makes much sense) That's a fair enough point, although I don't think we should be satisfied with the idea that the only thing stopping an older adult from having a sexual relationship with a young teen is the idea that the teen cannot legally consent. Accepting your point however we still run into problems with the "legalize love" rationale in stopping polygamy, or in stopping incestual relationships by consenting adults (and even if you argue that it's unhealthy for their potential children, that doesnt stop a same sex incestual relationship or a relationship by people who are sterile). My basic point is that the idea that we should be "legalizing love" doesn't really make any sense with the actual changes people want. Obviously most people aren't in favor of legalizing polygamy or incestual marriage, and since of those relationships involve love and are between consenting adults, how do you justify legalizing one but not the other? I really don't think there is a problem with consensual polygamy or consensual incest. There done now it's all justified legally. Not to mention the law at the moment clearly shows it doesn't have to make sense with straight people being fine to marry but gay people not.
Sorry, but the standards by which society governs itself should be logically consistent. All I'm trying to say is that you can support gay marriage, but you're gonna need a better reason to do so than "legalize love". Otherwise we're gonna run into weird unintended consequences.
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On July 09 2012 22:43 decker247777 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 22:36 Paperplane wrote:On July 09 2012 22:34 decker247777 wrote:On July 09 2012 22:11 Crushinator wrote:On July 09 2012 22:04 decker247777 wrote:On July 09 2012 21:59 Zorkmid wrote:On July 09 2012 21:56 decker247777 wrote:
This is stupid. I recognize that people should have a choice in what they do, however, I do not have to accept that it is the correct or right thing to do.The main problem i see with gay marriage is all of a sudden it starts becoming more normal and not seen as taboo. This would literally not be cool with me in any way shape or form, due to how it could open up a world of bullcrap ,such as; age is just a number, pedophiles should have human rights, Rapists should get free benefits, murderers should get second chances, and so on and forth. I am not cool with this, let them be gay if they want to be gay, but as far as marriage goes, it should be left to a man and a woman only. Also, straight couples have a higher chance of having kids then a gay couple even with today's scientific advancements and adoption methods. What the shit man? How does gay marriage lead to free pedophilia and rapist social security? See my above post. You mean gays in general? I only am against gay marriage not gay people. The reason it could is due to how things become normal and then people decide to change something else due to their bleeding heart ideology. Oh its wrong that we treat rapists that way, its not their fault they don't have a choice in how they act. DO YOU LITERALLY NOT SEE THIS BULLCRAP CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO LOGICS? I am saying it could happen and dammit there is a real possibility with how stupid people are becoming. Now what i am saying is that,we should let it stay at gay marriage debates and keep it there so we don't ever have to deal with this crap. Your post is an excellent example of how stupid some people have been for ages. What a bunch of idiotic incoherent rambling. Learn to construct a fucking argument. i call bullshit, my argument is taking two things that have a similar background to it. The level of the two vary at a substantial amount yet the main ideology is intact. We have a choice in everything we do, I believe we should take account for whatever decisions we make whether they are good or bad. Being gay is nowhere near as bad as raping someone yet it is still a choice in my book.I believe that political correctness is a bunch of bullshit. If you are politically correct you can call someone a bigot or retarded and its perfectly ok.It also tries to make humans seem like they have no logic and no reason and no ability to comprehend what they do. This is literally bullshit, I know for a fact that unless you literally are retarded due to a medical condition, you do have control over what you do and say. Even though i am probably a thousand times smarter then you.You can say what you want about who I am or what I believe in.At least i am not controlled by what society deems as correct. Why do you see being gay as something bad? Same reason i believe lying is bad ,and cheating on your spouse is bad. It's just not a good way to live your life by. I am literally the type of Christian that knows what God intended when he wrote that verse. He thinks its disgusting ,but it is not anymore sinful than telling a white lie.
It simply doesn't matter what you believe is best for other people, beacuse you can not know what's best for other people. As long as what people do are not hurting others, you have no right to decide what is best for them. The government has no right to decide what's best for people. Religions have no right to decide whats best for people. This is at the root of freedom, and no amount of Christian Mythology, nor any other mythology humans have formed, can change this simple truth.
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On July 09 2012 22:59 decker247777 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 22:01 Elsid wrote:On July 09 2012 21:56 decker247777 wrote:
This is stupid. I recognize that people should have a choice in what they do, however, I do not have to accept that it is the correct or right thing to do.The main problem i see with gay marriage is all of a sudden it starts becoming more normal and not seen as taboo. This would literally not be cool with me in any way shape or form, due to how it could open up a world of bullcrap ,such as; age is just a number, pedophiles should have human rights, Rapists should get free benefits, murderers should get second chances, and so on and forth. I am not cool with this, let them be gay if they want to be gay, but as far as marriage goes, it should be left to a man and a woman only. Also, straight couples have a higher chance of having kids then a gay couple even with today's scientific advancements and adoption methods. What the fuck are you even saying, being gay has nothing to do with rape murder or pedophilia so first of all leave that out of your post. Second of all paragraphs are good , they make your writing easier to write , not that i think your writing has any merit as it stands as you're talking utter shite. Gay marriage =/= rapists get free benefits (whatever that means? benefits?) Gay marriage =/= murderers getting second chances (not that I see what's wrong with murderers who have been rehabilitated). Having children has nothing to do with this issue sterile people can be married so that automatically defeats that argument. Please before you post again consider thinking , reading , opening your mind , not making bullshit analogies. Thanks. Hi i heard you were a politically controlled noob. I hope you can actually form opinions without it being politically correct but with seeing how you agree that murderers should get a second chance that probably isn't going to happen. Now on to what i tried to say but kind of failed due to how its all over the place. Gay marriage is just another thing of political correctness. I despise political correctness with a passion therefore if it is against what i believe, i will stand against it.If it wasn't with political correctness would i stand against gay marriage, I honestly have no idea, but seeing as how that probably will never happen. Political correctness has tie ins with everything that could happen, i do not think gay marriage equals those thing but i believe what is the driving force behind it definitely could do that.
Fair enough, I would say that not raping children is a political correct thing to do. By your logic you would despise the act of not raping children.
I think you need to reconsider your post.
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On July 09 2012 22:59 decker247777 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 22:01 Elsid wrote:On July 09 2012 21:56 decker247777 wrote:
This is stupid. I recognize that people should have a choice in what they do, however, I do not have to accept that it is the correct or right thing to do.The main problem i see with gay marriage is all of a sudden it starts becoming more normal and not seen as taboo. This would literally not be cool with me in any way shape or form, due to how it could open up a world of bullcrap ,such as; age is just a number, pedophiles should have human rights, Rapists should get free benefits, murderers should get second chances, and so on and forth. I am not cool with this, let them be gay if they want to be gay, but as far as marriage goes, it should be left to a man and a woman only. Also, straight couples have a higher chance of having kids then a gay couple even with today's scientific advancements and adoption methods. What the fuck are you even saying, being gay has nothing to do with rape murder or pedophilia so first of all leave that out of your post. Second of all paragraphs are good , they make your writing easier to write , not that i think your writing has any merit as it stands as you're talking utter shite. Gay marriage =/= rapists get free benefits (whatever that means? benefits?) Gay marriage =/= murderers getting second chances (not that I see what's wrong with murderers who have been rehabilitated). Having children has nothing to do with this issue sterile people can be married so that automatically defeats that argument. Please before you post again consider thinking , reading , opening your mind , not making bullshit analogies. Thanks. Hi i heard you were a politically controlled noob. I hope you can actually form opinions without it being politically correct but with seeing how you agree that murderers should get a second chance that probably isn't going to happen. Now on to what i tried to say but kind of failed due to how its all over the place. Gay marriage is just another thing of political correctness. I despise political correctness with a passion therefore if it is against what i believe, i will stand against it.If it wasn't with political correctness would i stand against gay marriage, I honestly have no idea, but seeing as how that probably will never happen. Political correctness has tie ins with everything that could happen, i do not think gay marriage equals those thing but i believe what is the driving force behind it definitely could do that.
So essentially what you're saying is that anyone who disagrees with you doesn't have a mind of their own? How novel, however I think you'll find that this is untrue and you're so full of shit that you're starting to believe yourself.
Gay marriage has nothing to do with political correctness, it has to do with civil liberty, it has to do with being recognized as an equal in the eyes of government in your relationship. Consider what you say before you say it lest you want to be labeled as the dumbass that you are.
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On July 09 2012 23:06 Papulatus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 22:43 decker247777 wrote:On July 09 2012 22:36 Paperplane wrote:On July 09 2012 22:34 decker247777 wrote:On July 09 2012 22:11 Crushinator wrote:On July 09 2012 22:04 decker247777 wrote:On July 09 2012 21:59 Zorkmid wrote:On July 09 2012 21:56 decker247777 wrote:
This is stupid. I recognize that people should have a choice in what they do, however, I do not have to accept that it is the correct or right thing to do.The main problem i see with gay marriage is all of a sudden it starts becoming more normal and not seen as taboo. This would literally not be cool with me in any way shape or form, due to how it could open up a world of bullcrap ,such as; age is just a number, pedophiles should have human rights, Rapists should get free benefits, murderers should get second chances, and so on and forth. I am not cool with this, let them be gay if they want to be gay, but as far as marriage goes, it should be left to a man and a woman only. Also, straight couples have a higher chance of having kids then a gay couple even with today's scientific advancements and adoption methods. What the shit man? How does gay marriage lead to free pedophilia and rapist social security? See my above post. You mean gays in general? I only am against gay marriage not gay people. The reason it could is due to how things become normal and then people decide to change something else due to their bleeding heart ideology. Oh its wrong that we treat rapists that way, its not their fault they don't have a choice in how they act. DO YOU LITERALLY NOT SEE THIS BULLCRAP CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO LOGICS? I am saying it could happen and dammit there is a real possibility with how stupid people are becoming. Now what i am saying is that,we should let it stay at gay marriage debates and keep it there so we don't ever have to deal with this crap. Your post is an excellent example of how stupid some people have been for ages. What a bunch of idiotic incoherent rambling. Learn to construct a fucking argument. i call bullshit, my argument is taking two things that have a similar background to it. The level of the two vary at a substantial amount yet the main ideology is intact. We have a choice in everything we do, I believe we should take account for whatever decisions we make whether they are good or bad. Being gay is nowhere near as bad as raping someone yet it is still a choice in my book.I believe that political correctness is a bunch of bullshit. If you are politically correct you can call someone a bigot or retarded and its perfectly ok.It also tries to make humans seem like they have no logic and no reason and no ability to comprehend what they do. This is literally bullshit, I know for a fact that unless you literally are retarded due to a medical condition, you do have control over what you do and say. Even though i am probably a thousand times smarter then you.You can say what you want about who I am or what I believe in.At least i am not controlled by what society deems as correct. Why do you see being gay as something bad? Same reason i believe lying is bad ,and cheating on your spouse is bad. It's just not a good way to live your life by. I am literally the type of Christian that knows what God intended when he wrote that verse. He thinks its disgusting ,but it is not anymore sinful than telling a white lie. It simply doesn't matter what you believe is best for other people, beacuse you can not know what's best for other people. As long as what people do are not hurting others, you have no right to decide what is best for them. The government has no right to decide what's best for people. Religions have no right to decide whats best for people. This is at the root of freedom, and no amount of Christian Mythology, nor any other mythology humans have formed, can change this simple truth.
See, this is why we will never see eye to eye. You believe it is mythology, I believe it is the word of God and everything it says is true.You can say what you want, but it does not change the fact that both beliefs are equally faith based.
You say there is no God and i say there is a God.How you say that can vary, theories, humanistic logic, and things of that nature.
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On July 09 2012 23:05 BobbyT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 22:55 Elsid wrote:On July 09 2012 22:54 BobbyT wrote:On July 09 2012 21:57 taintmachine wrote:On July 09 2012 21:28 BobbyT wrote:On July 09 2012 20:54 Santa Cruz wrote:On July 09 2012 19:45 Glurkenspurk wrote:The fact that in 2012 it's still socially acceptable to discriminate against homosexuals is fucking disgusting. Only because you live in a first world country. In many countries sexism is still acceptable, so is the death penalty. I know this is a controversial statement and I'm not saying I support it, but I genuinely believe that in the future pedophilia will become legal to some extent. Go back a few generations and Marilyn Monroe showing some leg was considered porn. Today we have teenagers wearing makeup and miniskirts and in general listening to pop songs about getting drunk and having promiscuous sex. It's only a matter of time before the age of consent is lowered, firstly for younger teenagers (so an adult can't have sex with a younger teenager, but two younger teenagers can legally have sex with one another), and then eventually you can watch porn with two consenting younger teenagers, until finally anyone can have sex with younger teenagers due to more education surrounding sex and the rapid development of maturity of young teenagers. If you don't believe me, ask your grandparents whether it was conceivable that people would be having sex without being married, and with multiple partners. It was simply out of the question back in their time. Most of the stunt in progress has been due to religion and it's good to see Google pushing forward with a secularist agenda. Agreed. With a rationale of "legalize love" there is of course no reason not to allow one type of relationship that involves love and not allow another. This is a problem with the gay marriage movement and a question that I think has yet to be answered by those supporting it. consent has a lot to do with sex in america. minors are generally not seen as being able to legally consent to various things. the homosexual marriage issue is concerned with a consenual relationship b/w adults. as the law sees it, a minor cannot legally consent to a sexual relationship with an adult. if americans changed their views on consent then maybe but as i said, this concerns adults to a few other people, being afraid of homosexual pedophiles as a result of homosexual rights is ridiculous. it'd make more sense to be morally outraged at heterosexual marriage, as afaik heterosexual pedophilia is more common (note some ppl don't even label pedophiles as being homosexual or heterosexual, tho i don't think that makes much sense) That's a fair enough point, although I don't think we should be satisfied with the idea that the only thing stopping an older adult from having a sexual relationship with a young teen is the idea that the teen cannot legally consent. Accepting your point however we still run into problems with the "legalize love" rationale in stopping polygamy, or in stopping incestual relationships by consenting adults (and even if you argue that it's unhealthy for their potential children, that doesnt stop a same sex incestual relationship or a relationship by people who are sterile). My basic point is that the idea that we should be "legalizing love" doesn't really make any sense with the actual changes people want. Obviously most people aren't in favor of legalizing polygamy or incestual marriage, and since of those relationships involve love and are between consenting adults, how do you justify legalizing one but not the other? I really don't think there is a problem with consensual polygamy or consensual incest. There done now it's all justified legally. Not to mention the law at the moment clearly shows it doesn't have to make sense with straight people being fine to marry but gay people not. Sorry, but the standards by which society governs itself should be logically consistent. All I'm trying to say is that you can support gay marriage, but you're gonna need a better reason to do so than "legalize love". Otherwise we're gonna run into weird unintended consequences.
As I said I have no problem with consensual relationships between any number of people of any number of genders or relation. It really doesn't matter to me as long as both parties are consenting and are of the legal age to consent. This is logically consistent.
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On July 09 2012 22:54 BobbyT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 21:57 taintmachine wrote:On July 09 2012 21:28 BobbyT wrote:On July 09 2012 20:54 Santa Cruz wrote:On July 09 2012 19:45 Glurkenspurk wrote:The fact that in 2012 it's still socially acceptable to discriminate against homosexuals is fucking disgusting. Only because you live in a first world country. In many countries sexism is still acceptable, so is the death penalty. I know this is a controversial statement and I'm not saying I support it, but I genuinely believe that in the future pedophilia will become legal to some extent. Go back a few generations and Marilyn Monroe showing some leg was considered porn. Today we have teenagers wearing makeup and miniskirts and in general listening to pop songs about getting drunk and having promiscuous sex. It's only a matter of time before the age of consent is lowered, firstly for younger teenagers (so an adult can't have sex with a younger teenager, but two younger teenagers can legally have sex with one another), and then eventually you can watch porn with two consenting younger teenagers, until finally anyone can have sex with younger teenagers due to more education surrounding sex and the rapid development of maturity of young teenagers. If you don't believe me, ask your grandparents whether it was conceivable that people would be having sex without being married, and with multiple partners. It was simply out of the question back in their time. Most of the stunt in progress has been due to religion and it's good to see Google pushing forward with a secularist agenda. Agreed. With a rationale of "legalize love" there is of course no reason not to allow one type of relationship that involves love and not allow another. This is a problem with the gay marriage movement and a question that I think has yet to be answered by those supporting it. consent has a lot to do with sex in america. minors are generally not seen as being able to legally consent to various things. the homosexual marriage issue is concerned with a consenual relationship b/w adults. as the law sees it, a minor cannot legally consent to a sexual relationship with an adult. if americans changed their views on consent then maybe but as i said, this concerns adults to a few other people, being afraid of homosexual pedophiles as a result of homosexual rights is ridiculous. it'd make more sense to be morally outraged at heterosexual marriage, as afaik heterosexual pedophilia is more common (note some ppl don't even label pedophiles as being homosexual or heterosexual, tho i don't think that makes much sense) That's a fair enough point, although I don't think we should be satisfied with the idea that the only thing stopping an older adult from having a sexual relationship with a young teen is the idea that the teen cannot legally consent. Accepting your point however we still run into problems with the "legalize love" rationale in stopping polygamy, or in stopping incestual relationships by consenting adults (and even if you argue that it's unhealthy for their potential children, that doesnt stop a same sex incestual relationship or a relationship by people who are sterile). My basic point is that the idea that we should be "legalizing love" doesn't really make any sense with the actual changes people want. Obviously most people aren't in favor of legalizing polygamy or incestual marriage, and since both of those relationships involve love and are between consenting adults, how do you justify legalizing one but not the other?
How do you justify legalizing heterosexual marriages and not same sex ones?
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