EPTOn July 04 2012 19:24 Bobbias wrote:
Not a surprise to see someone mention that in here. lol
Not a surprise to see someone mention that in here. lol
yep
I'm actually surprised no one did it before Higgs Particle Announcement Incoming!!! - Page 27
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Emix_Squall
France705 Posts
yep I'm actually surprised no one did it before | ||
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La1
United Kingdom659 Posts
On July 04 2012 19:19 Archybaldie wrote: Lets just put it this way .... Theoretical Scientists figure put how the world works using mathmatical models Practical scientists test those theorys sometimes those theorys are right sometimes wrong sometimes right but slightly different Then Engineers take this knowledge and translate it to the real world vis inventions etc Also theoretical scientists take the results of practical scientists and update their theorys. Right now were at the practical science part if there is any real world applications they will take time to filter through. But in general what this is, isnt a new hyper car or death ray. Its the POSSIBLE confirmation of a theory. Right now the standard model explains about 4% of the universe. This expiriment could/can/will/might show that the 4% we know is correct. If we know this 4% is correct it shows that we're on the right track to figuring out the 5th %. Possibly that 5th % has real world ramifications. Possibly just the detail they were getting out of the LHC the increases in sensitivity and precision could be used in real world applications. In general dont look to the scientists for the deathrays or darkmatter cars. Look to them to find out if its possible then look to engineers to make it possible. yeah thats what i thought Its a nice find and it will help the future but we wont see the effects of it for years because its just confirmation of a theoryso real world use = none | ||
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Archybaldie
United Kingdom818 Posts
On July 04 2012 19:31 La1 wrote: yeah thats what i thought Its a nice find and it will help the future but we wont see the effects of it for years because its just confirmation of a theoryso real world use = none Real world use = unknown  | ||
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Bobbias
Canada1373 Posts
Yeah. There's absolutely no way to know what impact this could have. This is just the next step in understanding the fabric of our universe. Maybe we'll be able to confirm whether there will be a big crunch, or heat-death. Maybe we'll learn how to better test or super-symmetry, and find a way to detect dark matter. Maybe we'll finally find a way to integrate gravity with the standard model. | ||
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HomeWorld
Romania903 Posts
On July 04 2012 19:31 La1 wrote: yeah thats what i thought Its a nice find and it will help the future but we wont see the effects of it for years because its just confirmation of a theoryso real world use = none It's not a confirmation of a theory (SM) but just a step forward (as in they are on the right track). | ||
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julianto
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On July 04 2012 19:28 Emix_Squall wrote: yep I'm actually surprised no one did it before The only reason I know about John Titor is because I watched Steins Gates lol | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
Thanks for taking over guys so I can see what I missed. There were some deep philosophical questions at the end! Very nice. | ||
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Emix_Squall
France705 Posts
On July 04 2012 19:48 julianto wrote: The only reason I know about John Titor is because I watched Steins Gates lol OOHHH ... coz they actually are other reasons to know about him XD ? | ||
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Talho
Belgium592 Posts
On July 04 2012 19:54 Emix_Squall wrote: OOHHH ... coz they actually are other reasons to know about him XD ? TIL John Titor actually "existed". I also only knew him from steins gate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor wiki quote "John Titor is the name used on several bulletin boards during 2000 and 2001 by a poster claiming to be a time traveler from the year 2036." | ||
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Emix_Squall
France705 Posts
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
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Pika Chu
Romania2510 Posts
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dmans
Sweden358 Posts
http://gobarbra.com/hit/new-9bb1e65c9257df11d217ddc1f8f40c30 | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
Although this discovery was largely expected and not too surprising, it does go to show how far we've come in our understanding of the universe. I'm glad to see science getting the appreciation it deserves in the public. Although I have no doubt that many people would not hesitate to reject science had the subject matter been more controversial than particle physics. As for all the comments about applications of discovering the Higgs Boson: Predicting applications of fundamental science is virtually impossible. I'd bet no one foresaw that the development of differential geometry would lead to general relativity, or that the discovery of the electron would lead to electricity, or that the discovery of electromagnetic radiation would lead to the mobile phone, or that number theory would lead to public key cryptography. Has the solar system been swallowed by a micro black hole? Nope. Has Earth been obliterated in an epic matter-antimatter annihilation? Nope. | ||
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
My bosons bring all the quarks to the yard, And they're like; it's better than charmed, I could attract, but I have no charge My bosons bring all the quarks to the yard, And they're like; it's better than charmed, I could attract, but I have no charge Pretty awesome stuff - Gratz CERN! | ||
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sorrowptoss
Canada1431 Posts
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Krowser
Canada788 Posts
On July 04 2012 21:56 sorrowptoss wrote: That's great. Now what? What will physicists world-wide be doing or searching now? What's the next debate in modern physics? I'm really curious to know what's the next step ! Finding more weird crap. It was by splitting atoms that we got our hands on nuclear power technologies. Finding the boson is a stepping stone to inventing a whole new way of creating and manipulating energy. Nuclear Fusion? Anti-matter? Warp drives? Insert any Sci-Fi technology here. | ||
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Rannasha
Netherlands2398 Posts
On July 04 2012 21:56 sorrowptoss wrote: That's great. Now what? What will physicists world-wide be doing or searching now? What's the next debate in modern physics? I'm really curious to know what's the next step ! Plenty left to do. First of all, the properties of the Higgs boson need to be studied in more detail to make sure it's exactly what we expect it is. There are theories that predict a Higgs-like particle with similar properties and these still need to be excluded. And then there are plenty of open questions. One of them is the Dark Matter/Energy problem. Visible matter (= Standard Model particles) only make up for 4% of the matter in the universe according to astrophysical observations. What does the remaining 96% consist of? Candidates for so-called dark matter / dark energy can be found in theories like supersymmetry (SuSy), which predict additional particles beyond those in the Standard Model. Then there are still some open ends to the Standard Model, with room for additional physics. The aforementioned supersymmetry is one of the most popular theories of physics beyond the SM. There are many SuSy variants with tons of free parameters. The LHC is actively searching for data that can either prove SuSy or that can restrict the set of possible parameters (the so-called phase space) that SuSy can have. The SM doesn't include gravity. Gravity is essentially a very large-scale phenomenon, described primarily by General Relativity. The SM is built on Quantum Field Theory, which works on very small scales. The unification of the SM with GR is one of the big open problems in physics. It is expected that at higher energies symmetries exist that are broken at lower energy scales. This means that forces that are now separate and distinct have a common "ancestor" at high energies (= very shortly after the big bang). The search for a single "Grand Unification Theory" is still ongoing and evidence from high energy particle collisions may provide hints. Finally, the SM does an excellent job at describing the elementary particles and their interaction, but it doesn't explain anything. For that, we may have to look at even smaller components. String theory and M-theory are very cutting edge theories that need additional theoretical work as well as experimental verification. So there's still plenty left to do for particle physics. With the Higgs found, a new era of particle physics is starting. The history of the Standard Model starts in the 1960s (and discovery of a lot of the particles in it precedes the formulation of the model by many years) and it is now complete. We've filled in the gaps in the model and what's left now is a whole realm of unexplored physics. | ||
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Poland3999 Posts
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