EPTAperture Science? They do what they must because they can!
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TheRealFluid
United States501 Posts
Aperture Science? They do what they must because they can! | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
It is premature to discuss since LHC will be around for a long time. Any discovery will help to shape any future collider. | ||
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La1
United Kingdom659 Posts
I am listening to the conference and it seems they have almost confirmed a theory.. but what is the real world benefit of this? I want my dark matter car :D | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
A technical response instead of a metaphor. No metaphors were given in the end. | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
Gravity is not included in the Standard Model. The Standard Model is incomplete. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
Cheers for the transcription. <3 | ||
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Rannasha
Netherlands2398 Posts
On July 04 2012 19:06 kingjames01 wrote: Are you planning to build a new collider at CERN? Will any discovery help with the plans? It is premature to discuss since LHC will be around for a long time. Any discovery will help to shape any future collider. Following up on this: There are already plans for a new particle accelerator, it's going to be a linear one (rather than circular). It will most likely collide electrons and positrons. It's still in the earliest of design stages. An electron-positron collider is much more useful for precisely measuring particle properties. The LHC collides protons, but it's only a single quark in each proton that actually interacts. The distribution of energy among the quarks is unknown, which means that you don't know the actual energy of the interaction. Electrons and positrons are elementary particles, so when you collide them, you know precisely how much energy is available in the interaction and this value can be tuned accurately. Proton-proton colliders are brute force machines to find new things, electron-positron colliders are precision instruments to study known particles in more detail. | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
I've been at the lab all night long doing this but I have to get the car home now. | ||
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zanga
659 Posts
On July 04 2012 19:08 La1 wrote: Can any smart people list the real world benefits of this? I am listening to the conference and it seems they have almost confirmed a theory.. but what is the real world benefit of this? I want my dark matter car :D This question is probably the most asked and has been asked a million times....... To bring science forward, in all subjects this must be done (experimentation with the LHC), simply! That is the most simple way to answer. And this has been done for the last 100 years, only know it is more known and hyped than before. Particle accelerators has been created many many times in different shapes and forms. | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On July 04 2012 19:11 r.Evo wrote: kingjames, you stopped taking notes and just write the entire thing on TL do you? =P Cheers for the transcription. <3 haha, yeah, they're talking way too fast and I received some criticism for summarizing too loosely. ^^ | ||
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Rannasha
Netherlands2398 Posts
On July 04 2012 19:12 kingjames01 wrote: I really need to go everyone! It was an amazing experience to share with you guys! Maybe someone will continue to summarize the Q&A until I get home? I've been at the lab all night long doing this but I have to get the car home now. I can do it. Starting at the next question. Q: Was the choice to present results in CERN instead of at the Melbourne conference to show the sponsor countries their investment was valuable? A: It's normal for labs to present results at their own institute before they present at conferences. It's also a courtesy towards the funding agencies as well as the staff. People / organizations that have invested (money, people) have a right to hear results at this place. | ||
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Bobbias
Canada1373 Posts
On July 04 2012 19:12 zanga wrote: This question is probably the most asked and has been asked a million times....... To bring science forward, in all subjects this must be done (experimentation with the LHC), simply! The real world implications aren't really that much right now. Think about it like this: Someone come up with the idea that the big squishy thing in your head was responsible for "you". What implications does that have in real life? Not a whole hell of a lot, but as you learn more and more about it you begin seeing ways to use your data. The first stage of learning is simply finding new data. The next stage is learning more about how that data works with everything else. The last stage is finding a way to do something we couldn't do yet with the help of the new found information. | ||
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Rannasha
Netherlands2398 Posts
A: Need to balance between fundamental and applied science. Without fundamental science you lose the basis for applied science. Metaphor: If you have a sack of corn, do you eat it (applied science) or plant it (fundamental science)? If you do one to the exclusion of the other, you will starve. If you balance the two, you get good results. Q: How about emerging countries / less developed countries? A: 100 nationalities working at CERN, 20 member states, 45 countries with collaboration, also emerging countries. Outreach program with education, helps combat poverty. Closing of the Q&A. Rebroadcast with "highlights" from the 2 seminar presentations. | ||
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Archybaldie
United Kingdom818 Posts
On July 04 2012 19:08 La1 wrote: Can any smart people list the real world benefits of this? I am listening to the conference and it seems they have almost confirmed a theory.. but what is the real world benefit of this? I want my dark matter car :D Lets just put it this way .... Theoretical Scientists figure put how the world works using mathmatical models Practical scientists test those theorys sometimes those theorys are right sometimes wrong sometimes right but slightly different Then Engineers take this knowledge and translate it to the real world vis inventions etc Also theoretical scientists take the results of practical scientists and update their theorys. Right now were at the practical science part if there is any real world applications they will take time to filter through. But in general what this is, isnt a new hyper car or death ray. Its the POSSIBLE confirmation of a theory. Right now the standard model explains about 4% of the universe. This expiriment could/can/will/might show that the 4% we know is correct. If we know this 4% is correct it shows that we're on the right track to figuring out the 5th %. Possibly that 5th % has real world ramifications. Possibly just the detail they were getting out of the LHC the increases in sensitivity and precision could be used in real world applications. In general dont look to the scientists for the deathrays or darkmatter cars. Look to them to find out if its possible then look to engineers to make it possible. | ||
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Bobbias
Canada1373 Posts
On July 04 2012 19:19 Archybaldie wrote: Lets just put it this way .... Theoretical Scientists figure put how the world works using mathmatical models Practical scientists test those theorys sometimes those theorys are right sometimes wrong sometimes right but slightly different Then Engineers take this knowledge and translate it to the real world vis inventions etc Also theoretical scientists take the results of practical scientists and update their theorys. Right now were at the practical science part if there is any real world applications they will take time to filter through. But in general what this is, isnt a new hyper car or death ray. Its the POSSIBLE confirmation of a theory. Right now the standard model explains about 4% of the universe. This expiriment could/can/will/might show that the 4% we know is correct. If we know this 4% is correct it shows that we're on the right track to figuring out the 5th %. Possibly that 5th % has real world ramifications. Possibly just the detail they were getting out of the LHC the increases in sensitivity and precision could be used in real world applications. In general dont look to the scientists for the deathrays or darkmatter cars. Look to them to find out if its possible then look to engineers to make it possible. That's a pretty good answer. Where do you get that 4% number though? | ||
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Talho
Belgium592 Posts
On July 04 2012 19:08 La1 wrote: Can any smart people list the real world benefits of this? I am listening to the conference and it seems they have almost confirmed a theory.. but what is the real world benefit of this? I want my dark matter car :D I think when we discover things, we almost never know what the possible implications/innovations can be. On July 04 2012 19:21 Bobbias wrote: That's a pretty good answer. Where do you get that 4% number though? It's because the universe exists for 96% out of dark matter and dark energy. And we still have no clue about all of that | ||
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Bobbias
Canada1373 Posts
Ahh, good point. I'd forgotten about that number. | ||
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Emix_Squall
France705 Posts
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Bobbias
Canada1373 Posts
On July 04 2012 19:23 Emix_Squall wrote: JOHN TITOR SAID IT !!! SERN WILL RULE TO WORLD !!!!! Not a surprise to see someone mention that in here. lol | ||
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Rannasha
Netherlands2398 Posts
On July 04 2012 19:21 Bobbias wrote: That's a pretty good answer. Where do you get that 4% number though? The number comes from astrophysical observations. We can make pretty accurate estimates of the amount of "visible" matter in the universe. We can also look at the motion of galaxies and determine masses using theories of gravitation. There is a huge discrepancy between the two. There is a lot of mass (energy) that we can't see. | ||
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