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Mindor
169 Posts
"There are 10 kinds of people on this world, those who can count in a binary numeral system and those who don't." Psychology students shouldn't be considered "smart" at math by definition, therefore the whole study is totally biased. Surely psychology professors had easier access to their own students, but they are far from representing all types of smart people in the world and generalizing based on them is pretty stupid. | ||
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Lousy!
Canada73 Posts
Well, the study is also about how we're bad at seeing our own flaws, but much better at seeing other people's flaws, right? Isn't being able to think of the right answer at all good enough? Maybe someone brilliant, way above the average, can give a correct answer to those questions without thinking about it. | ||
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Goldbullet
United States88 Posts
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TrainSamurai
339 Posts
On June 14 2012 04:04 hzflank wrote: I am going to sound like the arrogant prick that I am: but that's almost the story of my childhood, except that the bad social skills came much later when I just stopped caring  When it came to relating to other kids I learned at around the age of 10 that I should not act intelligent.The real problem is that when success is measured by secondary school grades and you dont even need to show up to lessons to achieve top grades then you believe that you do not need to work to succeed, and that does cause big problems later. I have no idea what my IQ is and I suspect it is significantly lower than that 145, but you really do not need to be intellectually ahead of your peers at a young age. No... its not what people want to hear but intelligent people would actually be hard working because they know they need to be, i.e they're smart enough to know what needs to be done... Except for a selected few(I don't know any) people famous for being smart have always put in the hard work right before they achieved what made them famous. On June 14 2012 09:43 Goldbullet wrote: someone explain the lake problem? Think backwards, if it doubles everyday then that means on the 47th day it had to be half the lake. Think exponentially | ||
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Crazy Eddie
United States128 Posts
On June 14 2012 09:11 Sablar wrote: The study is NOT about how "intelligent" people perform on cognitive bias tests. You yourself pointed this out. No, the entire point of the study is how people perform on those cognitive bias tests. The authors present no other novel information and this certainly would never have been published if they just surveyed people on the bias blind spot which has already been studied - the point was to examine this in relation to performance on the actual bias tests (which make up a significant section of the paper) and cognitive ability. I never said otherwise, that's the only useful purpose of the entire paper if you accept the results, everything else on cognitive ability (SAT scores, the CRT, and the other cognitive surveys) is worthless data collection alone. It's the only consistent thing between study 1 and study 2 in the paper and the clear point of comparison. What's not the point or claimed at all in the paper is, "Intelligent people do poorly on these 'trick' math problems." That's not what the study is about and it's not even true, and that is what people on the thread keep misunderstanding. The entire point, however, is about the authors' claims on the bias questions. | ||
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Mindor
169 Posts
On June 14 2012 09:43 Goldbullet wrote: someone explain the lake problem? The lily doubles its size every day so it's a * 2^n = 1 where "a" is the original size of the water lily compared to the whole lake which I assumed is 1. This equatation stands for when the whole lake is covered. The question asks how much is n when half the lake is covered which you get by simply dividing both sides of the equatation: a * 2^n / 2 = 1/2 a * 2^n * 2^(- 1) = 1/2 a * 2^(n-1) = 1/2 as you see, you can get half the size of the lake covered in (n-1) days which is 47 iirc. | ||
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seg.fault
United States3 Posts
Five times the US budget deficit! | ||
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TrainSamurai
339 Posts
On June 14 2012 10:10 seg.fault wrote: So the point of the paper is that smarter people are less likely to answer this question correctly? Five times the US budget deficit! More to do with lazyness. In China they actually teach you how to do these exact types of question so you wouldn't get the same results for this experiment in China. | ||
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urasyupi2
United States810 Posts
On June 14 2012 09:43 Goldbullet wrote: someone explain the lake problem? Imagine that the lake is 64 square feet in diameter and that it took only 7 days to cover it. Start at 1 1 2 4 8 16 32 64 7 days total. But, the only relevant part is the last two numbers. Since we already know the amount of days the whole process took and the second to last day was half of the whole, subtract 1 from the total amount of days. Bat and ball problem: x+(x+1.00)=1.10 2x+1.00=1.10 2x=0.10 x=0.05 The ball costs $0.05. To check work, re-insert numbers back into the original problem. Bat costs a dollar more than the ball so the bat costs $1.05. 1.05+0.05=1.10 | ||
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Chunhyang
Bangladesh1389 Posts
The first thing that entered my head: Smart people are often right. If smart people are more often biased, maybe their biases are more often "right"? Now off to read the article. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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Fealthas
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Freeze967
United States230 Posts
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Imperium11
United States279 Posts
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PepperoniPiZZa
Sierra Leone1660 Posts
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Sky
Jordan812 Posts
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Golbat
United States499 Posts
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Abort Retry Fail
2636 Posts
On June 13 2012 13:24 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Bat + Ball = 1.1 Bat = Ball + 1 => (Ball +1) + Ball = 1.1 Ball + Ball = .1 2Ball = .1 Ball = .05 Ohhh hmm yet my brain initially screamed "TEN CENTS! But I it's a trap! Better use algebra..." God youre awesome! | ||
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Tipany
United States368 Posts
On June 14 2012 09:50 TrainSamurai wrote: No... its not what people want to hear but intelligent people would actually be hard working because they know they need to be, i.e they're smart enough to know what needs to be done... Except for a selected few(I don't know any) people famous for being smart have always put in the hard work right before they achieved what made them famous. No... you do NOT need to be smart in order to know what needs to be done. That does not take intelligence at all. What you're thinking of is want, motivation. Without it, even the smartest and most capable learner is going to fail. I would know, story of my life. | ||
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theolysis
United States107 Posts
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