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Huh. This teacher was my teacher when I was back in high school. I never had any real strong impression of him other than he was borrrring. Haha.
On topic, "If you know the material, you should get good grades even if you don't do assignments and don't come to class", frankly I find this reasoning to be flawed. Understanding course material is not the biggest reason we send our kids to school, or at least, it shouldn't be. School, and especially school during our formative years (elementary through high school), is the primary place where kids learn social skills, accountability, responsibility and the skills and habits that allow for success in 'real life'.
It's a common complaint among high school students and university students that the subjects taught in school will be useless once you enter the workplace. What use do most jobs have for calculus? or even algebra? What is the point of learning chemistry or biology if you're going to be working in an office? Why bother making physical education mandatory when some kids just aren't the athletic type?
The answer is that the benefits of our education system are not solely limited to the subjects outlined on the syllabus. The benefits are that through attending classes students learn to be accountable. Through working on homework and handing it in by a deadline students learn responsibility and time management. Through being forced/encouraged to participate in physical activity and student clubs, students are more inclined to develop a more healthy lifestyle and social skills.
When you penalize a teacher for grading a student according to attendance and work done in class, you undermine these 'hidden' benefits of the education system. You fail to teach a student anything. You encourage students to feel entitled to benefits without having put in the work, so long as they feel that they are entitled to those benefits. By doing so, you ultimately hurt the students chances of success in the real world, and instead end up with self-entitled, undisciplined, unaccountable young adults.
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On June 03 2012 02:39 dreamsmasher wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 02:07 Animzor wrote:On June 03 2012 02:00 shawster wrote:On June 03 2012 01:47 sereniity wrote:
As I go to school myself I find this a very interesting subject, a question I often bring up is "Are your grades a reflection of your knowledge/skill, or your work put into the class?"
Basically, I feel that even if my english is good enough for grade A, I cannot achieve it unless I come to almost every class and do every piece of homework, even if I get very high scores on my tests. Is this right or wrong?
In my own perfect world, a grade would reflect how a good a certain student is at said subject, not how much time dedicated into it. I know a guy in my english class who is terrible at english, yet he's given grade C. The only reason for that is because he did his homework and was nice to the teacher.
Me on the other hand, had a grudge with the teacher (along with the rest of the class) and I've been having constant meetings with the principal to get ourselves a new teacher (she has a terrible attitude and constantly mocks us, has an aura of prestige as if we're crap and she's the best, yet she can't even spell the word boulder).
Anyway, back on topic, I'm getting an E this year because I basically haven't come to many of her lessons (I have about 60% attendance rate). I did however get a B on my final exams (called 'Nationella Proven' in Sweden).
Maybe this was abit off-topic, I got abit carried away :D... totally disagree with you you're saying that intelligence should be your mark and effort should be less of it. come on now, how successful you are at a certain job is determined by your quality of work. i don't give a shit if you are extremely smart, if that average kid puts out a better product than you he's doing better than you. if you're extremely knowledgeable you should be doing better than the average kid if you are putting out the same effort. it sounds like homework still accounts for a chunk of your mark and that is dragging you down. why don't you just.. iunno.. do it if it's that easy. everyone has to do monotonous tasks, that's the effort part of it. This is a very common attitude in Sweden. It's gotten to the point where it's "cool" to be good at something but not give a shit about studying, and then whining about not getting good grades. Basically, everyone just wants to fuck around and hang out with friends and only do the tests. why shouldn't i have the option to just skip everything via tests. i always thought everything in school was boring (up till like senior year where I was taking like 7-8 AP classes. i did this in university for a lot of classes too (like freshman level classes). many professors were much more accomodating to this (i never attended a single freshman chemistry/physics lecture) and still aced everything. what's the big deal?
Why shouldn't I have the option to skip every work related event except meetings and presentations?
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Because school isn't just about teaching you how to fill in bubbles on a sheet of paper or learning what happened in 1900 on day X. It's about expanding your various skills and interests and preparing you for the next step in life, which will assuredely require more then just base intelligence.
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wowow, i got zero's in hs, i wish my teachers were suspended...
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On June 03 2012 02:35 jacksonlee wrote:
Lol, as someone who's undergoing some hardcore difficult education, I assure you "being smart" doesn't get you very far when past high school.
it depends. if you are actually self motivated to learn things on your own, I don't really believe the teacher has to serve any purpose other than answering a a few personal questions and providing some overall guidance. college in many ways is much easier and higher level classes were not as hard for me to do because the material was more interesting, the grades were always weighted more in favor of examinations, and professors didn't care if you showed up or not.
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On June 03 2012 02:44 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 02:39 dreamsmasher wrote:On June 03 2012 02:07 Animzor wrote:On June 03 2012 02:00 shawster wrote:On June 03 2012 01:47 sereniity wrote:
As I go to school myself I find this a very interesting subject, a question I often bring up is "Are your grades a reflection of your knowledge/skill, or your work put into the class?"
Basically, I feel that even if my english is good enough for grade A, I cannot achieve it unless I come to almost every class and do every piece of homework, even if I get very high scores on my tests. Is this right or wrong?
In my own perfect world, a grade would reflect how a good a certain student is at said subject, not how much time dedicated into it. I know a guy in my english class who is terrible at english, yet he's given grade C. The only reason for that is because he did his homework and was nice to the teacher.
Me on the other hand, had a grudge with the teacher (along with the rest of the class) and I've been having constant meetings with the principal to get ourselves a new teacher (she has a terrible attitude and constantly mocks us, has an aura of prestige as if we're crap and she's the best, yet she can't even spell the word boulder).
Anyway, back on topic, I'm getting an E this year because I basically haven't come to many of her lessons (I have about 60% attendance rate). I did however get a B on my final exams (called 'Nationella Proven' in Sweden).
Maybe this was abit off-topic, I got abit carried away :D... totally disagree with you you're saying that intelligence should be your mark and effort should be less of it. come on now, how successful you are at a certain job is determined by your quality of work. i don't give a shit if you are extremely smart, if that average kid puts out a better product than you he's doing better than you. if you're extremely knowledgeable you should be doing better than the average kid if you are putting out the same effort. it sounds like homework still accounts for a chunk of your mark and that is dragging you down. why don't you just.. iunno.. do it if it's that easy. everyone has to do monotonous tasks, that's the effort part of it. This is a very common attitude in Sweden. It's gotten to the point where it's "cool" to be good at something but not give a shit about studying, and then whining about not getting good grades. Basically, everyone just wants to fuck around and hang out with friends and only do the tests. why shouldn't i have the option to just skip everything via tests. i always thought everything in school was boring (up till like senior year where I was taking like 7-8 AP classes. i did this in university for a lot of classes too (like freshman level classes). many professors were much more accomodating to this (i never attended a single freshman chemistry/physics lecture) and still aced everything. what's the big deal? Why shouldn't I have the option to skip every work related event except meetings and presentations? ... Because school isn't just about teaching you how to fill in bubbles on a sheet of paper or learning what happened in 1900 on day X. It's about expanding your various skills and interests and preparing you for the next step in life, which will assuredely require more then just base intelligence.
what if i'm self motivated enough to do those things on my own. i don't believe that i'm smarter than most people, but i never attended those lectures because they would just rehash what was in the book (or it was something I had already learned on my own etc..)
work is different, you're being paid for your time. in a university setting, YOU are paying for your education, what you get out of it is up to you.
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If it's a private school then I am not surprised because they care about the score of their students since it's their reputation. If you have a teacher that gives a 0 every single time work is not done, then you fuck up your reputation sort of speaking, including your income. Weather it's legit or not to give a 0, that I don't care.
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At that level, the students should be given an opportunity to submit assignments or take exams late for a much lesser grades, but if they do not do so, a zero is well justified.
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On June 03 2012 02:44 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 02:39 dreamsmasher wrote:On June 03 2012 02:07 Animzor wrote:On June 03 2012 02:00 shawster wrote:On June 03 2012 01:47 sereniity wrote:
As I go to school myself I find this a very interesting subject, a question I often bring up is "Are your grades a reflection of your knowledge/skill, or your work put into the class?"
Basically, I feel that even if my english is good enough for grade A, I cannot achieve it unless I come to almost every class and do every piece of homework, even if I get very high scores on my tests. Is this right or wrong?
In my own perfect world, a grade would reflect how a good a certain student is at said subject, not how much time dedicated into it. I know a guy in my english class who is terrible at english, yet he's given grade C. The only reason for that is because he did his homework and was nice to the teacher.
Me on the other hand, had a grudge with the teacher (along with the rest of the class) and I've been having constant meetings with the principal to get ourselves a new teacher (she has a terrible attitude and constantly mocks us, has an aura of prestige as if we're crap and she's the best, yet she can't even spell the word boulder).
Anyway, back on topic, I'm getting an E this year because I basically haven't come to many of her lessons (I have about 60% attendance rate). I did however get a B on my final exams (called 'Nationella Proven' in Sweden).
Maybe this was abit off-topic, I got abit carried away :D... totally disagree with you you're saying that intelligence should be your mark and effort should be less of it. come on now, how successful you are at a certain job is determined by your quality of work. i don't give a shit if you are extremely smart, if that average kid puts out a better product than you he's doing better than you. if you're extremely knowledgeable you should be doing better than the average kid if you are putting out the same effort. it sounds like homework still accounts for a chunk of your mark and that is dragging you down. why don't you just.. iunno.. do it if it's that easy. everyone has to do monotonous tasks, that's the effort part of it. This is a very common attitude in Sweden. It's gotten to the point where it's "cool" to be good at something but not give a shit about studying, and then whining about not getting good grades. Basically, everyone just wants to fuck around and hang out with friends and only do the tests. why shouldn't i have the option to just skip everything via tests. i always thought everything in school was boring (up till like senior year where I was taking like 7-8 AP classes. i did this in university for a lot of classes too (like freshman level classes). many professors were much more accomodating to this (i never attended a single freshman chemistry/physics lecture) and still aced everything. what's the big deal? Why shouldn't I have the option to skip every work related event except meetings and presentations? ... Because school isn't just about teaching you how to fill in bubbles on a sheet of paper or learning what happened in 1900 on day X. It's about expanding your various skills and interests and preparing you for the next step in life, which will assuredely require more then just base intelligence.
there were probably only 3-4 teachers in my entire lower education experience that I thought were actually good. i would consider the rest of the time to be glorified babysitting. read post above as well.
on this topic though, this is quite stupid, of course the teacher should be allowed to give 0's.
i actually did very poorly throughout high school (except junior/sr year cuz i didnt want to go to some shitty CC or state uni). i think i graduated barely in the top half of my class. i mean i think i deserved it in the sense that they cannot make exceptions to rules that are created, but i think the rules in general are not very good and that if compare actual knowledge of myself vs. most people who had a class rank above me, you would find that I probably knew more about everything we learned than them. my last 2 years GPA would have put my squarely within the top 1% of my class.
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Seems I managed to derail this topic quite a bit, I understand not everybody agrees with me and that's fine. A big reason of why most of the people in my class/grade feel assfucked right now aswell is because we just had the new grade system implemented in Sweden this year (atleast in most schools) and every teacher seems to interpret it differently, meaning we all get graded in a shitton of different ways, which is frustrating.
I never meant that I shouldn't have to attend my class at all and just do the tests, my original question was if my grades should show my knowledge, or work put into the class.
Even that got derailed into my personal problems in my own class. The question I posed is alot more complicated to answer than just "go to class and do everything" or "don't go to class, just do tests".
I think it'd be very impractical (atleast in swedens school system) to have people not come to classes and only show up to tests, and I don't think the school system in Sweden will ever work like that, nor do I think it should. I think alot of people would overestimate themselves and would skip classes just because their (maybe more talented) friends would do so, and then proceed to fail at exams and get an F, resulting in parents complaining etc. It simply wouldn't work.
Anyway, back to the topic, shall we?
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Teacher here.
Imagine you have a student who has gotten 100% on 5 of the 6 quizzes in your class. He answers every question right in class, and often enhances all of his peers' knowledge of a subject by leading class discussions to higher level of thinking. This kid misses the last quiz. So you give him a 0% right!?!? Kid averages a 83% B- student. What a joke.
Think of a 4 point scale where 4 is advanced, 3 is proficient, 2 is basic, and 1 is poor. Giving a student a 0/100 is like giving a kid a -6 on a 4 point scale. The point is that in some situations our grading system is beyond stupid and doesn't make mathematical sense. If teachers use grades as a weapon against students, the students learn less. Just becuase a kid doesn't hand in his homework doesn't mean that you can not assess him in a different way. I'm not saying that there should not be a consequence, just that some teachers can be dicks because they think they are teaching kids a lesson, when what they are mostly teaching the kid is that the teacher is a dick, and that the kid shouldn't pay the teacher much mind.
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On June 03 2012 02:39 dreamsmasher wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 02:07 Animzor wrote:On June 03 2012 02:00 shawster wrote:On June 03 2012 01:47 sereniity wrote:
As I go to school myself I find this a very interesting subject, a question I often bring up is "Are your grades a reflection of your knowledge/skill, or your work put into the class?"
Basically, I feel that even if my english is good enough for grade A, I cannot achieve it unless I come to almost every class and do every piece of homework, even if I get very high scores on my tests. Is this right or wrong?
In my own perfect world, a grade would reflect how a good a certain student is at said subject, not how much time dedicated into it. I know a guy in my english class who is terrible at english, yet he's given grade C. The only reason for that is because he did his homework and was nice to the teacher.
Me on the other hand, had a grudge with the teacher (along with the rest of the class) and I've been having constant meetings with the principal to get ourselves a new teacher (she has a terrible attitude and constantly mocks us, has an aura of prestige as if we're crap and she's the best, yet she can't even spell the word boulder).
Anyway, back on topic, I'm getting an E this year because I basically haven't come to many of her lessons (I have about 60% attendance rate). I did however get a B on my final exams (called 'Nationella Proven' in Sweden).
Maybe this was abit off-topic, I got abit carried away :D... totally disagree with you you're saying that intelligence should be your mark and effort should be less of it. come on now, how successful you are at a certain job is determined by your quality of work. i don't give a shit if you are extremely smart, if that average kid puts out a better product than you he's doing better than you. if you're extremely knowledgeable you should be doing better than the average kid if you are putting out the same effort. it sounds like homework still accounts for a chunk of your mark and that is dragging you down. why don't you just.. iunno.. do it if it's that easy. everyone has to do monotonous tasks, that's the effort part of it. This is a very common attitude in Sweden. It's gotten to the point where it's "cool" to be good at something but not give a shit about studying, and then whining about not getting good grades. Basically, everyone just wants to fuck around and hang out with friends and only do the tests. why shouldn't i have the option to just skip everything via tests. i always thought everything in school was boring (up till like senior year where I was taking like 7-8 AP classes. i did this in university for a lot of classes too (like freshman level classes). many professors were much more accomodating to this (i never attended a single freshman chemistry/physics lecture) and still aced everything. what's the big deal?
They have the option, although in their defense it's not an widely advertised one in Swedish schools (I'd say 90%+ have no idea about it). Swedish society adheres by the social codes in the "jantelag", where no one is supposed to be special or stand out in any form or way.
Thus they prefer to blend in with their degenerate friends and having the option to keep blaming teachers instead of passing the examination that allows them to skip the course.
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I live in Edmonton, and this story appalls me. As someone who has worked reasonably hard to achieve good marks all throughout school and now university, I feel that EPSB's no-zero policy is unbelievably backward. I've missed assignments (often because I've been dedicating time ot other schoolwork) or will put in less than my optimal effort because I judge the extra 2-3% I would get from an extra hour of time spent on one homework question to be not worth the time (stress/other things, etc.). If I fail or do poorly because of this approach then that is completely on me, and it's certainly not the professor's fault.
I'm content with being a 80-90% student and not a 90%+ student, but that doesn't mean I haven't worked reasonably hard to get where I am. Having other people get what amounts to free grades despite having not actually done work cheapens the value of my educational successes which I feel I deserve based on the effort made. I don't see how rewarding a lack of effort is a step forward at all, and commend the teacher for his actions.
In the real world, nobody's going to keep paying you if you don't show up to work. School is supposed to prepare you for the "real world" and this travesty runs completely counter to that notion.
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I don't see anything wrong with this, at my school we had an essay that was worth 25% of our grade and some people plagarized and she just gave them zeros, and on tests she did that too. If you didn't do the work or cheated/plagarized, you should get a zero simple as that.
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On June 03 2012 02:46 dreamsmasher wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 02:44 1Eris1 wrote:On June 03 2012 02:39 dreamsmasher wrote:On June 03 2012 02:07 Animzor wrote:On June 03 2012 02:00 shawster wrote:On June 03 2012 01:47 sereniity wrote:
As I go to school myself I find this a very interesting subject, a question I often bring up is "Are your grades a reflection of your knowledge/skill, or your work put into the class?"
Basically, I feel that even if my english is good enough for grade A, I cannot achieve it unless I come to almost every class and do every piece of homework, even if I get very high scores on my tests. Is this right or wrong?
In my own perfect world, a grade would reflect how a good a certain student is at said subject, not how much time dedicated into it. I know a guy in my english class who is terrible at english, yet he's given grade C. The only reason for that is because he did his homework and was nice to the teacher.
Me on the other hand, had a grudge with the teacher (along with the rest of the class) and I've been having constant meetings with the principal to get ourselves a new teacher (she has a terrible attitude and constantly mocks us, has an aura of prestige as if we're crap and she's the best, yet she can't even spell the word boulder).
Anyway, back on topic, I'm getting an E this year because I basically haven't come to many of her lessons (I have about 60% attendance rate). I did however get a B on my final exams (called 'Nationella Proven' in Sweden).
Maybe this was abit off-topic, I got abit carried away :D... totally disagree with you you're saying that intelligence should be your mark and effort should be less of it. come on now, how successful you are at a certain job is determined by your quality of work. i don't give a shit if you are extremely smart, if that average kid puts out a better product than you he's doing better than you. if you're extremely knowledgeable you should be doing better than the average kid if you are putting out the same effort. it sounds like homework still accounts for a chunk of your mark and that is dragging you down. why don't you just.. iunno.. do it if it's that easy. everyone has to do monotonous tasks, that's the effort part of it. This is a very common attitude in Sweden. It's gotten to the point where it's "cool" to be good at something but not give a shit about studying, and then whining about not getting good grades. Basically, everyone just wants to fuck around and hang out with friends and only do the tests. why shouldn't i have the option to just skip everything via tests. i always thought everything in school was boring (up till like senior year where I was taking like 7-8 AP classes. i did this in university for a lot of classes too (like freshman level classes). many professors were much more accomodating to this (i never attended a single freshman chemistry/physics lecture) and still aced everything. what's the big deal? Why shouldn't I have the option to skip every work related event except meetings and presentations? ... Because school isn't just about teaching you how to fill in bubbles on a sheet of paper or learning what happened in 1900 on day X. It's about expanding your various skills and interests and preparing you for the next step in life, which will assuredely require more then just base intelligence. what if i'm self motivated enough to do those things on my own. i don't believe that i'm smarter than most people, but i never attended those lectures because they would just rehash what was in the book (or it was something I had already learned on my own etc..) work is different, you're being paid for your time. in a university setting, YOU are paying for your education, what you get out of it is up to you.
You claim you are, but most employers will look at this and say you aren't.
And yes, you are paying for the university, therefore you have the option to show up for class if you want, whereas normal school requires you to show up. You should not, however, expect easy grades just because you paid for something.
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On June 03 2012 02:53 LaLuSh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 02:39 dreamsmasher wrote:On June 03 2012 02:07 Animzor wrote:On June 03 2012 02:00 shawster wrote:On June 03 2012 01:47 sereniity wrote:
As I go to school myself I find this a very interesting subject, a question I often bring up is "Are your grades a reflection of your knowledge/skill, or your work put into the class?"
Basically, I feel that even if my english is good enough for grade A, I cannot achieve it unless I come to almost every class and do every piece of homework, even if I get very high scores on my tests. Is this right or wrong?
In my own perfect world, a grade would reflect how a good a certain student is at said subject, not how much time dedicated into it. I know a guy in my english class who is terrible at english, yet he's given grade C. The only reason for that is because he did his homework and was nice to the teacher.
Me on the other hand, had a grudge with the teacher (along with the rest of the class) and I've been having constant meetings with the principal to get ourselves a new teacher (she has a terrible attitude and constantly mocks us, has an aura of prestige as if we're crap and she's the best, yet she can't even spell the word boulder).
Anyway, back on topic, I'm getting an E this year because I basically haven't come to many of her lessons (I have about 60% attendance rate). I did however get a B on my final exams (called 'Nationella Proven' in Sweden).
Maybe this was abit off-topic, I got abit carried away :D... totally disagree with you you're saying that intelligence should be your mark and effort should be less of it. come on now, how successful you are at a certain job is determined by your quality of work. i don't give a shit if you are extremely smart, if that average kid puts out a better product than you he's doing better than you. if you're extremely knowledgeable you should be doing better than the average kid if you are putting out the same effort. it sounds like homework still accounts for a chunk of your mark and that is dragging you down. why don't you just.. iunno.. do it if it's that easy. everyone has to do monotonous tasks, that's the effort part of it. This is a very common attitude in Sweden. It's gotten to the point where it's "cool" to be good at something but not give a shit about studying, and then whining about not getting good grades. Basically, everyone just wants to fuck around and hang out with friends and only do the tests. why shouldn't i have the option to just skip everything via tests. i always thought everything in school was boring (up till like senior year where I was taking like 7-8 AP classes. i did this in university for a lot of classes too (like freshman level classes). many professors were much more accomodating to this (i never attended a single freshman chemistry/physics lecture) and still aced everything. what's the big deal? They have the option, although in their defense it's not an widely advertised one in Swedish schools (I'd say 90%+ have no idea about it). Swedish society adheres by the social codes in the " jantelag", where no one is supposed to be special or stand out in any form or way. Thus they prefer to blend in with their degenerate friends and having the option to keep blaming teachers instead of passing the examination that allows them to skip the course.
I actually had no idea that I could do this, will check it out now that I do!
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On June 03 2012 02:52 Trezeguet wrote:
Teacher here.
Imagine you have a student who has gotten 100% on 5 of the 6 quizzes in your class. He answers every question right in class, and often enhances all of his peers' knowledge of a subject by leading class discussions to higher level of thinking. This kid misses the last quiz. So you give him a 0% right!?!? Kid averages a 83% B- student. What a joke.
Think of a 4 point scale where 4 is advanced, 3 is proficient, 2 is basic, and 1 is poor. Giving a student a 0/100 is like giving a kid a -6 on a 4 point scale. The point is that in some situations our grading system is beyond stupid and doesn't make mathematical sense. If teachers use grades as a weapon against students, the students learn less. Just becuase a kid doesn't hand in his homework doesn't mean that you can not assess him in a different way. I'm not saying that there should not be a consequence, just that some teachers can be dicks because they think they are teaching kids a lesson, when what they are mostly teaching the kid is that the teacher is a dick, and that the kid shouldn't pay the teacher much mind.
this is good point actually, hmm but many of my teachers in the past have implemented policies where they drop your lowest quiz grade or lowest test grade or etc.. something to that nature. if not i usually found that talking to the teacher or emailing them about your situation would prove enough to get them to change things. i think that if the teacher is at all observant they should have some idea of how much you know and that should reflect in their decision, and it has turned out that way in *most* situations.
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Why doesn't the teacher just give them 1%s? He is trying to teach kids a lesson about not having work done on time in the real world, but in the real world, things are late all the time and it's not that big a deal. Sometimes people are busy and don't get to things.
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On June 03 2012 02:52 Trezeguet wrote:
Teacher here.
Imagine you have a student who has gotten 100% on 5 of the 6 quizzes in your class. He answers every question right in class, and often enhances all of his peers' knowledge of a subject by leading class discussions to higher level of thinking. This kid misses the last quiz. So you give him a 0% right!?!? Kid averages a 83% B- student. What a joke.
Think of a 4 point scale where 4 is advanced, 3 is proficient, 2 is basic, and 1 is poor. Giving a student a 0/100 is like giving a kid a -6 on a 4 point scale. The point is that in some situations our grading system is beyond stupid and doesn't make mathematical sense. If teachers use grades as a weapon against students, the students learn less. Just becuase a kid doesn't hand in his homework doesn't mean that you can not assess him in a different way. I'm not saying that there should not be a consequence, just that some teachers can be dicks because they think they are teaching kids a lesson, when what they are mostly teaching the kid is that the teacher is a dick, and that the kid shouldn't pay the teacher much mind.
Kid misses quiz, how can you even know if he knows anything that was supposed to be on the quiz?
You're saying that because the kid proved he knew 83% of the subject, he should get an A? Sure, thats fine if your scale includes 83+ to be an A, but otherwise not. Who doesn't give makeup quizes anyways??
It actually makes perfect mathematical sense.
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I completely agree with the teacher. If a student doesn't do the work, they don't deserve the grade. It's not fair to the other students, not to mention if you bump one kids score up by 10% I'm pretty sure every single student in the class who didn't get an A would demand the same thing.
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