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On May 18 2012 10:04 1Eris1 wrote:
Well 90% of modern art is shit anyways....
Yeah I guess it's art, but it's not good art. (for me at least. I know some of you guys see deep meaning in the collection of cardboardboxes and crayons and thats fine)
It takes a lot more vision, creativity, hardwork, problem solving and commitment to invent a machine that replicates the human digestive system than it does to paint a Zergling in photoshop ... or whatever it is that passes for 'art' and 'creativity' on Team Liquid.
No offense. It's just that there is A LOT worse contemporary art than this. The Shit Machine is actually kind of badass.
Unless you have an intermediate understanding of Art History and how it has evolved in the past 100 years AND you're extremely open-minded, contemporary art just isn't very comprehensible, let alone appealing.
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I clicked on this thread because I knew there would be poop pun comments. I was not disappointed.
OT: If it can be molded and used as any other medium, it can be considered art. I don't know why someone would want to use fecal matter as art, but I suppose technically monkeys are artists and their dodgeball victims are their canvases.
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only classical art is real art. This is just shit.
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LOL! yes yes definitely. poop is definitely art. I want to go to the poop museum oh man
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This reminds me of some of Alex Grey's old performance art stuff...also of the famous "Piss Christ" by Andres Serrano.
Boo at all of the poop jokes also...LoL.
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On May 18 2012 07:34 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2012 06:54 LazinCajun wrote:On May 18 2012 06:14 TheGlassface wrote:
Art is art.
If you ever skew,you then admit you think your opinion of expression is worth more than others.
It's all just human expression.
I agree with this! What a great insight. My opinion of expression IS worth more than others. What this piece of art is saying is that ALL human expression is essentially a waste by-product of being alive, and ultimately has little to no value. Basically, we shouldn't get too hung up out how we or other express ourselves because we're all just pointless shit machines and everything is bullshit anyways. Have a great day!
At first glance I read your name as "Defecator," no joke.
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It's art because art is loosely defined in such a way that the word loses all its meaning.
Spend a lot of time doing something weird, call it art, and if a big name picks it up or you manage to market your garbage, you'll be able to get fame and money because people hold "shock value" on a pedestal rather than talent or beauty, even when there's nothing really shocking about feces considering that people have been doing all kinds of crazy BS in the name of art, going from just beams of metal arranged in a weird way to a "performance art" of this girl masturbating in front of her classmates in art school or whatever.
Overall, if they want to say it's art, then it is. It's not good.
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I really thought this was a thread about ME3's ending.
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Anything can be art, even what we're all saying. We are in no position to say something is or isn't art; at least, that's what my dad was taught when he took up Fine Arts in the University of the Philippines, and that point of view rubbed on me.
The only real distinction to be made is if a piece of art is "good" or "bad" art, and even then, it is still pretty subjective.
Plus, there's this gem of a quote (and I forgot who said this): art isn't supposed to make you comfortable (or something like that).
In the case of poop, well, it sure can be disgusting. But hell, the thinking (both creatively and scientifically) that went into the process of creating the piece is most certainly outstanding. I mean, it takes a very, very unconventional (maybe even tilted) frame of mind to even think of making a piece of art based on literal shit; then, there's the process in actually making it so that it accurately reflects the human digestive system (an incredible feat on its own).
Just as Marcel Duchamp's Fountain (a urinal on a pedestal) was hard to accept during its time as art, but is now universally agreed upon as art, this "poop machine" (to crudely name it) is hard to accept for many now, but I'm betting a few decades from now, people will look back and accept it universally as art.
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On May 18 2012 06:17 Telcontar wrote:
Oh man, I'm too pooped out to give a shit.
On May 18 2012 06:20 Zeke50100 wrote:
I think it's just crap.
omg i shat so hard when i read these xD
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i don't understand art at all..
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artist's_shit
This is showcased near my hovetown. Basically it is shit in a can (Meaning that canned food = shit AFAIK).
People were discussing whether or not there was shit in the 3 cans. Until one of them broke open :D
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art is an opinion, nothing else. Usually used to give credit or to categorize something.
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This is old news I heard about this machine at least 5+ year ago and I don't follow modern art. Either way it proves you can sell shit (literally) as art since he sells the resulting product of the machine in plastic bags. Hard to say if these kind of guys are good artists or just great bs artists..
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People can read meanings into almost anything, therefore art is effectively a meaningless word.
After seeing this, I wonder if photocopying a book like "a tale of two cities" and then putting my name on the cover could be considered art. I read a satirical review on pitchfork media for a band called "jet" - where one person was talking to an artsy dude who thought everything was art. On that point (asking whether xeroxing a famous novel can be considered art), he said "leave me alone" and the review ended.
Now I wonder whether he should have just said yes. Is there really no limit? Literally anything can be art now? Isn't that kind of ridiculous? What's to stop someone from literally taking a poo on stage, and charging people for admittance? I'm sure there are dozens of artistic interpretations of that. Like how most entertainment is crap, etc.
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Considering the sort of crap I've seen hanging on the walls of museums, yes, poop can be art.
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Defacer's original response is pretty dead on, imop.
I would llike to add what Dr. John Perry taught me about what art is.
Dr. Perry would say Art is anything that shows zeitgeist and skilled execution.
that seems to apply in this case.
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On May 18 2012 22:23 radscorpion9 wrote:
People can read meanings into almost anything, therefore art is effectively a meaningless word.
After seeing this, I wonder if photocopying a book like "a tale of two cities" and then putting my name on the cover could be considered art. I read a satirical review on pitchfork media for a band called "jet" - where one person was talking to an artsy dude who thought everything was art. On that point (asking whether xeroxing a famous novel can be considered art), he said "leave me alone" and the review ended.
Now I wonder whether he should have just said yes. Is there really no limit? Literally anything can be art now? Isn't that kind of ridiculous? What's to stop someone from literally taking a poo on stage, and charging people for admittance? I'm sure there are dozens of artistic interpretations of that. Like how most entertainment is crap, etc.
Why is that ridiculous?
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