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Is Poop Considered Art?

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Iteachextra
Profile Joined April 2012
46 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-17 21:05:16
May 17 2012 21:04 GMT
#1
This article got me wondering...can anything be considered as art? What is ur opinion?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/14/entertainment-us-australia-shock-museum-idUSBRE84D00G20120514

Smelling excrement may not be everyone's idea of fun, but for those who like to push
the boundaries, Australia's most controversial new museum may be just what they are looking for.

Dubbed "the subversive adult Disneyland", the Museum of Old and New Art (MONA) is located in Tasmania and features around 400 works of art from Egyptian mummies to Young British Artists including Chris Ofili and Jenny Saville.

But the most talked-about piece is the Cloaca Professional, labeled the "poo-machine." It was built by Belgian artist Wim Delvoye to mimic the actions of the human digestive system.

A series of glass receptacles hang in a row with the machine being "fed" twice a day on one end. The food is ground up "naturally," the way it is in the human body, and the device produces feces on the clock at 2 pm at the other end.

The smell is so powerful that not many visitors can take it.

"It put me off because of the overwhelming assault on the senses," said Diane Malnic, a Sydney-based accountant.

Yet this was her second visit in five months, following a family holiday in Tasmania earlier in the year. This time, she flew without her husband and children just to have another look at the collection, interested in Delvoye's other pieces.

She took great care to avoid the "smelly" parts and still talked vividly about the "vomit room" which was part of an earlier exhibit no longer on display.

"I wouldn't go back to see them," she said, laughing.

The Cloaca is part of a series of at least five similar machines built by the artist, another of which will soon be exhibited at the Louvre. It is the most hated piece in the museum but also the most visited.

The museum, which opened in January 2011, is owned by eccentric and philanthropist David Walsh, who made his fortune as a professional gambler, and features one of the largest private art collections in the world with an estimated value of around A$100 million.

Its motto is to shock, offend, inform and entertain.

"It definitely challenges your interpretation of what art is," said Malnic.

Pieces include Chris Ofili's Holy Virgin Mary, which features elephant dung and porn-magazine cutouts of genitals. It caused controversy in 1996, with then-New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani reportedly describing Ofili's work as "sick".

Another much-talked-about piece is the Matrix by Jenny Saville, a full-frontal large painting of a naked transgender man with his modified genitals exposed.

"It's confronting," said Margarita Silva, a Melbourne-based dentist making during her third trip to the MONA.

Detractors argue that some of the pieces don't belong to a museum, which is also what Malnic initially thought. But upon reflection, she said the Cloaca machine opened her mind and argued that perhaps it was the future of art.

For Silva, her favorites were a soundproof room of 30 Madonna fans who were individually filmed singing a capella the artist's Immaculate Collection album. The other was a waterfall with droplets spelling out a series of words.

Keeping with the MONA's sensibility, none of its art work is grouped or chronological, leaving viewers to walk at random.

"Overall, it's a fantastic experience," said Silva.

The museum charges A$20 ($20) for entry and has drawn around 389,000 visitors in its first year ($1 = 0.9887 Australian dollars)

Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-17 22:30:07
May 17 2012 21:10 GMT
#2
In this case, yes. The Cloaca poop machine is not only a well-designed, researched piece of biomimicry, but a hilarious subversion/satirization of the value and meaning of contemporary art, and what an artist 'produces'.

The question it raises isn't just whether or not mass-produced, 'real' fake shit can be art, but rather if too much art is mass-produced, 'real' fake shit.

Aelfric
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Turkey1496 Posts
May 17 2012 21:12 GMT
#3
People can do whatever they want in their own place but if they are gaining serious money from this kinda of bs i don't wanna live in this planet anymore...
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AgentChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom4569 Posts
May 17 2012 21:14 GMT
#4
people do weird shits..
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TheGlassface
Profile Joined November 2010
United States612 Posts
May 17 2012 21:14 GMT
#5
Art is art.
If you ever skew,you then admit you think your opinion of expression is worth more than others.

It's all just human expression.
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SigmaoctanusIV
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States3313 Posts
May 17 2012 21:17 GMT
#6
Anything can be considered art, I think it would be difficult finding something created by a human that isn't art (excluding Uwe Boll's movies)
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Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
May 17 2012 21:17 GMT
#7
Oh man, I'm too pooped out to give a shit.
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Zeke50100
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2220 Posts
May 17 2012 21:20 GMT
#8
I think it's just crap.
Aelfric
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Turkey1496 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-17 21:24:19
May 17 2012 21:23 GMT
#9
On May 18 2012 06:14 TheGlassface wrote:
Art is art.
If you ever skew,you then admit you think your opinion of expression is worth more than others.

It's all just human expression.

If my opinion is scientific and well thought then i can claim that opinion is worth more than others.

Poo, vomit these are part of human body or it's actions. But they doesn't have to be artistic in many ways, we can understand them but i don't see any reason to admire them. It's just a complex system's output. I don't claim my view is scientific enough though i can't grasp the idea behind this kind of stuff no matter how much i try to do it objectively or not.

And one of the comments to the article: "Well, if that’s art, then stand back because I just had Taco Bell and I’m about to blow a freakin’ Picasso."
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gosuRob
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States319 Posts
May 17 2012 21:24 GMT
#10
modern art is so shitty
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Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-17 21:26:13
May 17 2012 21:25 GMT
#11
This is pretty sick man.
But honestly, pieces of crap can certainly still be a piece.
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Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
May 17 2012 21:27 GMT
#12
I seem to remember an artist I once knew saying that what is or isn't considered art these days is entirely subjective. I tend to agree.
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
May 17 2012 21:31 GMT
#13
Let me stool about this a little longer.
altec1011
Profile Joined April 2011
92 Posts
May 17 2012 21:32 GMT
#14
I think we can all agree to flush this thread down the toilet.
Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
May 17 2012 21:41 GMT
#15
He made a machine that shits itself. That's pretty impressive.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
May 17 2012 21:41 GMT
#16
Such a waste...
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achristes
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Norway653 Posts
May 17 2012 21:43 GMT
#17
Pun thread incoming.
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Effay
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States153 Posts
May 17 2012 21:50 GMT
#18
Instead of hipsters and pretenders presenting their shitty art as the real 'art', they are now presenting their actual shit as art.
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Miaaw
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom21 Posts
May 17 2012 21:51 GMT
#19
This thread is excretiatingly painful to read.
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ArcticRaven
Profile Joined August 2011
France1406 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-17 21:56:28
May 17 2012 21:52 GMT
#20
On May 18 2012 06:12 Aelfric wrote:
People can do whatever they want in their own place but if they are gaining serious money from this kinda of bs i don't wanna live in this planet anymore...


Funny that you would say that on a website dedicated to professional gaming. Perspective much ?

on topic : i don't know if it's art, but it's a cool and funny idea that makes you think twice and it's all i need to say i like it/would go see it if i went there.
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