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On April 29 2012 19:46 Voltaire wrote:
Doesn't surprise me. I remember this one time in high school, I was on programming and the special ed room was across the hall. My seat was by the door so I could see outside. One of the special ed kids was walking down the hall slowly, and one of the special ed teachers started screaming and yelling at him to hurry up. When he didn't, she angrily stomped over, grabbed his arm, and dragged him into the classroom. It was disgusting to watch.
Sometimes with autistic children you need to take some physical control, but being physically aggressive is not appropriate (as in, take them by the hand and take them with you, rather than telling/asking them to go somewhere, to lead them and go with them).
I spent a week at my mum's school, which is for 5~11yos with various special needs (from physical disabilities to autistic kids and various other special needs).
When it comes to the autistic kids, it can be very difficult because they need a lot of care and attention. Where I was, they had basically someone specific to look after each autistic kid.
You can understand how teachers might get frustrated if they don't have enough support, but that doesn't mean they cant take out that frustration on the kids. My mum's school is very well staffed, considering it's not all autistic kids (one teacher per 5 or 6 kids, plus one member of support staff, so about a 3:1 or less adult:kid ratio in the classroom).
If teachers can't handle special needs, they shouldn't be teaching in that area.
If the school isn't giving enough support, then the teachers should be complaining to the right people, and not taking it out on the children.
The teachers have messed up and need to be dealt with, but it might also be a good idea to look at whether there's enough support in place to deal with the children in the first place, so that it doesn't happen again.
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On April 29 2012 21:12 See.Blue wrote:
Don't do the Please Read crap. This isn't facebook...
How about you stop projecting what you know about fb and applying it here?
Seriously.
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I am sure it happens more than we are aware of, I hope all those teachers get fired. If you can't even fake caring for the children (I am a teacher [not special needs though] and know that sometimes you just don't want to be there, at all, but you HAVE to at least fake it until you can make it real again)
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There's a proper way to each students with autism... look at intervention programs such as TEACCH, Lovas method (also called ABA or IBI), Greenspan/Floortime or more importantly, PECS (picture exchange communication). I'm sure there's hundreds of teachers who don't even know about theses methods... In these methods, you never use any form of physical control and you always keep oral communication to the basic...
My point is, there's plenty of people doing a BAD job .. and there will always be.
That's why you do your research before giving money to someone. You can't accept this kind of behavior from a teacher working in a special class, but you can accept mc'donalds kitchen to screw up your "no-pickle cheeseburger" everytime you order one... because, you know what you're paying for... and expecting it. You don't need a wire to do so... parents are often allowed to visit during class hours
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Make sure this spreads like a virus guys!  And I hope some "stereotypical" black guy who's ripped goes and beats the crap out of those people.
Above all I really hope that guy gets justice for his son, (and that those teachers get fired).
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This is a typical case of people in the wrong job.
These people should be forced to resign and should not be able to work with children again.
And I think that an apology of them is appropriate.
I understand that these kind of jobs can be very taxing but, this is simply not acceptable.
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Wow. I have autism myself (aspergers) and I always feel so sorry for those children when I read stories like this.
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On April 26 2012 11:18 BlackJack wrote:
Not sure why this has gone viral. Yeah, she was inappropriate, rude, and not a very good teacher. On the other hand, someone was fired over it, the rest of the teachers seemed to receive some disciplinary action, and the behavior she displayed probably wouldn't even make the top 100 of terrible teachers for the year. Being a special needs teacher is also probably one of the hardest jobs in the world.
The only sensible response to this thread. I agree that they were bad teachers, but the fathers response just seems hysterical to me. I cannot take him seriously, hes overly self-righteous and over the top. I feel like im watching a video about an injustice such as rape or abuse.
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I think the dad knew he didn't have much to go on with the recording alone and that is why he made the exaggerated response to every instance. It would have been better if he did not make his speech because for me it immediately puts me in a skeptical mind set without seeing any of the content.
The teacher is wrong but none of it seemed extraordinary except for two of the instances, the part where she talks about her alcoholism and the part where she calls the child a bastard. Though the bastard part was a bit blurry and I'm not sure if that is what she said and the other part sounded like she's talking to someone else though within earshot of the recorder. It is possible that the audio was amplified to hear it, and that is one flaw of not putting the entire audio somewhere, unedited, for the community to judge. Other instances had no real meaning since they had little context, and he needs to place the context in without the attempt to bias the video.
A more effective method would be to get more instances of clear and unmistakable abuse instead of exaggerating weaker cases. Even if he had only the two instances where the teacher was clearly wrong, it would do much better to appeal to the emotion of viewers.
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On April 26 2012 10:46 screamingpalm wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 10:33 RoosterSamurai wrote:
Isn't it against the rules to record audio/video inside of a school? I'm employed by the college I used to attend, and if someone were video or audio recording without the consent of everyone in the room, I'd have to have security remove them. And then when something like this happens (sans recorded evidence), everyone dismisses it as sensationalized or made up. It would be inadmissable in court, but hopefully you can see that some good can come out of this too. I'm all for rights to privacy, but why is it that things you do at home are up for scrutiny by the surveillance state, but a public incident like this cannot be documented? If im correct, illegally obtained evidence cannot under any circumstances even be considered in court. Might be wrong though.
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I think it's sad that so many people in this thread think that firing the teachers is an appropriate punishment. People get incarcerated and charged huge fines for downloading a couple of songs off the internet; do you really think that's more serious than what happened in that class? Why do you not think that incarceration is a befitting punishment for this?
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On April 30 2012 10:41 I_PROTOSSED_MY_HW wrote:
I think it's sad that so many people in this thread think that firing the teachers is an appropriate punishment. People get incarcerated and charged huge fines for downloading a couple of songs off the internet; do you really think that's more serious than what happened in that class? Why do you not think that incarceration is a befitting punishment for this?
did they actually commit a crime...?
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On April 26 2012 10:45 foxSC wrote:
its life, its what happens in nature, strong taking advantage of the weak. just it happens alot more nowadays because there are alot more weak people living now as compared to even 50 or 100 years ago. need to remove the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself. if you have an autistic kid, you should try again imo. survival of the fittest.
User was banned for this post.
I know I'm getting in late on this but I just found the thread, anyway. You foxSC, are a nutjob or a troll sir. Either way what the world truly needs is less people like YOU.
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On April 26 2012 11:18 BlackJack wrote:
Not sure why this has gone viral. Yeah, she was inappropriate, rude, and not a very good teacher. On the other hand, someone was fired over it, the rest of the teachers seemed to receive some disciplinary action, and the behavior she displayed probably wouldn't even make the top 100 of terrible teachers for the year. Being a special needs teacher is also probably one of the hardest jobs in the world.
I agree with you that special needs teachers have an extremely tough job. Having said that though, it sounds in the audio as if this kind of behaviour was just par for the course in this class room. If a teacher is that burned out or is just a bad teacher one of the other aids or teachers should pull them aside. Tell them you need counseling or just quit. This kind of thing is unacceptable. Kudos to the dad for taking action.
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I have a cousin that has autism and he's about my age and just watch what that man was saying really just about brought a damn tear to my eye. I mean this is a public school system and it just sickens me that people would abuse these kids like that. God knows how many other public school systems are doing this. But this has to stop for the love of God. No kid should be allowed to go threw that and then get sent to jail while the teacher gets to keep her job and talk about how drunk she was and all that other crap. I'm going to try raise awareness to my cousin and see if she can get people over in Arkansas to sign this so we can put a end to this. Fuck the union job w.e bs it is you don't do that to kids and if my kid was being like that i would not only make a vid like what that Gentlemen did but file a fucking lawsuit on the school for not taking action to fix the situation. I hope those people get fired.
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