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On April 23 2012 18:35 SolHeiM wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 18:31 Sapp wrote:
No tortureing and no live eating so it's like salmon on christmas.
@SolHeiN ur a hypocrite. You missed the fact that I stated that I find torture or animal cruelty for your own amusement disgusting. I have nothing against the consumption of meat products, and I eat meat every day. .
That is absurdly hypocritical.
By eating the meat of non-human animals you presumably find it acceptable to have animals killed for the sole purpose that you can enjoy their meat. You are presumably not starving, nor malnourished and have the freedom to choose other 'non-suffering' forms of nutrition. Your decision to eat meat is a fulfillment of an arbitrary preference: some might say, for your 'amusement'.
Chomping up a fish is probably going to end all sense experience (due to utterly destroying its brain) within the first three bites (~1-2 seconds), yet putting the bolt through a cow's head is likely to do much less overall damage, thus potentially prolonging its conscious experience of suffering.
I see no difference to this and any other form of meat eating, aside from the fact that it presents a condensed and uncensored portrayal of the journey from living animal to dead food.
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Well we eat raw live octopus, where is the government going to fine and put us in jail? Its not a vertebrate but it still squirms and offers plenty of resistance. Pointless, just give him a small fine and be over with it. Something of this nature gets a jail sentence... Seriously?
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On April 23 2012 19:19 nennx wrote:
pets are your property and you should be able to do with them as you please
if someone does something fucked up to their pets the law really shouldn't be involved in any major form (no jail time)
Man some many people on TL sicken me.
Amazed so many here are this ignorant, oh well guess I'll stay away from the General forums for a while...
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On April 23 2012 19:19 Mallidon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 19:13 S_SienZ wrote:On April 23 2012 19:10 Leporello wrote:On April 23 2012 19:08 Animeghost wrote:
Eating live raw oysters is done all around the world and considered a delicacy. What's the difference. They don't squirm. It's pretty gross, not that he should be punished for it. Live Octopus is a delicacy in Japan and Korea. And believe you me it squirms. Don't they usually cut the brain off or w/e before its served? Not sure if you could class that as 'live'.
The specialty of the dish is that the tentacles are served immediately after chopping them off. It takes a while for it to really "die". You basically let it squirm in the seasoning / sauce to get an even coating effortlessly and chow down. Sometimes you can even feel a bit of suction from the tentacle.
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On April 23 2012 18:58 Zorgaz wrote:
Haha you narrow-minded fool...
On April 23 2012 18:58 Zorgaz wrote:
Okay if you guys are to dumb to use google I'll guess I'll do it.
what an awful attitude..
OT: don't fall for this media hype.. i cant imagine any court taking this serious. he kills it before eating it as some has stated already, there are sooo many way more questionable things to discuss about, i cant belive that this gets so much attention.
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Man it's such a hipocrisy, japanese slaughter thousands of dolphins and wales when there are internacional laws that forbid this, they don't get jail time or fines!
This guy eats a fucking goldfish that he bought and he might get fined or jailed?
haha our world is a joke...
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I'd be appalled if he got given jail time, or any hefty fine for that matter... but then again, it's the daily mail.
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On April 23 2012 19:22 Zorgaz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 19:19 nennx wrote:
pets are your property and you should be able to do with them as you please
if someone does something fucked up to their pets the law really shouldn't be involved in any major form (no jail time) Man some many people on TL sicken me. Amazed so many here are this ignorant, oh well guess I'll stay away from the General forums for a while...
Apparently thinking that the law shouldn't be in every aspect of our lives is somehow ignorance. Most people have the decency to know when something is right or wrong, and the people who don't are going to do things regardless of the law or not
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On April 23 2012 19:19 nennx wrote:
pets are your property and you should be able to do with them as you please
if someone does something fucked up to their pets the law really shouldn't be involved in any major form (no jail time)
Except, you know, they are ALIVE CREATURES, not your property. Would it be fine if I'd eat my dog alive? Or cut off his legs and let him slowly bleed to death? No, because it's fucking sick and cruel to a living being for no reason whatsoever. It's disgusting you would even think this.
On April 23 2012 19:25 nennx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 19:22 Zorgaz wrote:On April 23 2012 19:19 nennx wrote:
pets are your property and you should be able to do with them as you please
if someone does something fucked up to their pets the law really shouldn't be involved in any major form (no jail time) Man some many people on TL sicken me. Amazed so many here are this ignorant, oh well guess I'll stay away from the General forums for a while... Apparently thinking that the law shouldn't be in every aspect of our lives is somehow ignorance. Most people have the decency to know when something is right or wrong, and the people who don't are going to do things regardless of the law or not
Alright, so we don't need to punish murder either? Or rape? That's all fine, because most people won't do it, right? Seriously.
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On April 23 2012 19:21 Dali. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 18:35 SolHeiM wrote:On April 23 2012 18:31 Sapp wrote:
No tortureing and no live eating so it's like salmon on christmas.
@SolHeiN ur a hypocrite. You missed the fact that I stated that I find torture or animal cruelty for your own amusement disgusting. I have nothing against the consumption of meat products, and I eat meat every day. . That is absurdly hypocritical. By eating the meat of non-human animals you presumably find it acceptable to have animals killed for the sole purpose that you can enjoy their meat. You are presumably not starving, nor malnourished and have the freedom to choose other 'non-suffering' forms of nutrition. Your decision to eat meat is a fulfillment of an arbitrary preference: some might say, for your 'amusement'. Chomping up a fish is probably going to end all sense experience (due to utterly destroying its brain) within the first three bites (~1-2 seconds), yet putting the bolt through a cow's head is likely to do much less overall damage, thus potentially prolonging its conscious experience of suffering. I see no difference to this and any other form of meat eating, aside from the fact that it presents a condensed and uncensored portrayal of the journey from living animal to dead food.
It's not hypocritical. Killing animals humanely is fine in my eyes. Torture is not. There is a big difference between killing an animal quickly, and running after an animal with a rusty pick-axe, stabbing it every now and then and having it die several hours later form blood loss and exhaustion, even if you ate it afterwards. One of those scenarios is acceptable, because one is not based on torture and cruelty to animals for ones own amusement.
Torture, or inhumane killings of any animals, like say dissolving a fish in acid for example, is disgusting.
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Don't get me wrong it's stupid to kill a animal for "fun" or to show off but it's even more stupid to expect someone to get jail time or a big fine for that when we see animals being treated like they are all over the world and then try to pin the guilt on this guy with his goldfish..
What about the spanish king killing elephants in the wild? isn't this worse?
What about the mass murder of sharks to eat a god damn fin that doesn't even taste that good?
Please.. stop it..
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On April 23 2012 19:23 S_SienZ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 19:19 Mallidon wrote:On April 23 2012 19:13 S_SienZ wrote:On April 23 2012 19:10 Leporello wrote:On April 23 2012 19:08 Animeghost wrote:
Eating live raw oysters is done all around the world and considered a delicacy. What's the difference. They don't squirm. It's pretty gross, not that he should be punished for it. Live Octopus is a delicacy in Japan and Korea. And believe you me it squirms. Don't they usually cut the brain off or w/e before its served? Not sure if you could class that as 'live'. The specialty of the dish is that the tentacles are served immediately after chopping them off. It takes a while for it to really "die". You basically let it squirm in the seasoning / sauce to get an even coating effortlessly and chow down. Sometimes you can even feel a bit of suction from the tentacle.
Hmm, not sure if its alive though, in the sense of the word that suggests the creature itself is actually 'squirming' consciously. I thought it was a nerves thing, much like with many animals etc twitching/moving long after 'death'. Imo, once the brain is removed/ destroyed, the creature is no longer alive.
Perhaps I am wrong ofc. If so then that is also a bit strange. Not saying its sick or cruel, just strange to me. I wouldn't fancy eating something quite that raw :D
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So it's OK to eat battery farmed chickens, or veal, or foie gras, and OK to feed live mice to a pet snake, but this isn't alright?
Moral hypocrisy - they are all wrong and thus should all be treated equally.
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On April 23 2012 19:25 BadgerBadger8264 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 19:19 nennx wrote:
pets are your property and you should be able to do with them as you please
if someone does something fucked up to their pets the law really shouldn't be involved in any major form (no jail time) Except, you know, they are ALIVE CREATURES, not your property. Would it be fine if I'd eat my dog alive? Or cut off his legs and let him slowly bleed to death? No, because it's fucking sick and cruel to a living being for no reason whatsoever. It's disgusting you would even think this.
We shouldn't say moral correctness = law. If I want to be a fucked up piece of shit with my dog, I should be able to do that if I want. That doesn't mean it should be illegal. If we want to think of dogs as living capable things maybe we shouldn't be buying/selling/breeding them like property. I would never abuse my animals, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't have the right to do it if I want to.
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On April 23 2012 19:28 Mallidon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 19:23 S_SienZ wrote:On April 23 2012 19:19 Mallidon wrote:On April 23 2012 19:13 S_SienZ wrote:On April 23 2012 19:10 Leporello wrote:On April 23 2012 19:08 Animeghost wrote:
Eating live raw oysters is done all around the world and considered a delicacy. What's the difference. They don't squirm. It's pretty gross, not that he should be punished for it. Live Octopus is a delicacy in Japan and Korea. And believe you me it squirms. Don't they usually cut the brain off or w/e before its served? Not sure if you could class that as 'live'. The specialty of the dish is that the tentacles are served immediately after chopping them off. It takes a while for it to really "die". You basically let it squirm in the seasoning / sauce to get an even coating effortlessly and chow down. Sometimes you can even feel a bit of suction from the tentacle. Hmm, not sure if its alive though, in the sense of the word that suggests the creature itself is actually 'squirming' consciously. I thought it was a nerves thing, much like with many animals etc twitching/moving long after 'death'. Imo, once the brain is removed/ destroyed, the creature is no longer alive. Perhaps I am wrong ofc. If so then that is also a bit strange. Not saying its sick or cruel, just strange to me. I wouldn't fancy eating something quite that raw :D
Well it's chopped off a live octopus (which is why it would still squirm), so the people running the "cruel" argument might have a stab at it.
Personally I think torture is not ok, but eating any animal is fine. This case was more of the latter. It's not like he took a pencil and pierced the crap out of the fish. I know some people who've done sicker things to much cuter animals and nothing's happened to them.
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It's all fun and games until someone (or something) gets hurt, right?
20,000 pounds is a fuck ton of money. He would deserve the fine if he ate a live mouse or something, but a goldfish, not so much. There are restaurants in the States that serve octopus so fresh the tentacles are still moving when you're putting it into your mouth. What's the difference between killing something 60 seconds before you eat it, and killing something while you're eating it? Or steaming a live lobster slowly to death?
Then again, from a food perspective it's one thing to eat something because you (or at least someone) think it tastes good, and another to eat something because you can say you ate it (to someone who would be grossed out by the idea).
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People have too much time to waste if they're getting bothered by something this irrelevant.
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The world is a cruel place, millions of people around the world are starving to death, and even worse, some people eat fish, alive!
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On April 23 2012 19:27 shell wrote:
Don't get me wrong it's stupid to kill a animal for "fun" or to show off but it's even more stupid to expect someone to get jail time or a big fine for that when we see animals being treated like they are all over the world and then try to pin the guilt on this guy with his goldfish..
What about the spanish king killing elephants in the wild? isn't this worse?
What about the mass murder of sharks to eat a god damn fin that doesn't even taste that good?
Please.. stop it..
Do you really, honestly, think nobody is upset about those? Because, if you do, you haven't been on here for very long. Just because worse things are happening in the world does not mean we should tolerate other terrible things. That's seriously backward logic.
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On April 23 2012 19:29 nennx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 19:25 BadgerBadger8264 wrote:On April 23 2012 19:19 nennx wrote:
pets are your property and you should be able to do with them as you please
if someone does something fucked up to their pets the law really shouldn't be involved in any major form (no jail time) Except, you know, they are ALIVE CREATURES, not your property. Would it be fine if I'd eat my dog alive? Or cut off his legs and let him slowly bleed to death? No, because it's fucking sick and cruel to a living being for no reason whatsoever. It's disgusting you would even think this. I hate retards who think moral correctness = law. If I want to be a fucked up piece of shit with my dog, I should be able to do that if I want. That doesn't mean it should be illegal. If we want to think of dogs as living capable things maybe we shouldn't be buying/selling/breeding them like property. I would never abuse my animals, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't have the right to do it if I want to.
Agreed. It's great when the law can be justified on additional moral grounds, but it's horrible to use as a sole basis.
Morals change over time. Good law transcends it so long as there is a society.
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