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Hey guys - thought I'd share this with you.
Not only did I find multiple videos on YouTube of schoolteachers eating live goldfish as part of fundraising efforts and as incentive for kids to turn in homework;
+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmrjqU-zA8I
but also, goldfish swallowing was a fad in the late 1930s - where people swallowed dozens of goldfish in rapid succession.
In fact - a UCLA professor determined that a grown male can swallow up to 150 goldfish safely - warning people not to exceed that number.
http://www.badfads.com/events/goldfish-swallowing/
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To me the defining line is how quickly the fish is killed. At first, I thought he swallowed it whole and alive so it would be left to die painfully in his stomach acid. But it looks like he kills it by chewing on it, which would be rather quick. That's essentially how most animals die in the wild anyways. I can't see how this death is much worse than any of the other thousands of deaths that occur with farm animals every day. I guess the only thing weird about it is that he's kind of glorifying it.
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I agree itkovian - funnily enough - in both cases I linked in the post above - the goldfishes involved were swallowed whole - therefore leading to the excruciating death you describe. I wonder - if Louis were say, raising money for a charity, if anyone would have cared at all.
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On April 29 2012 14:42 Arghmyliver wrote:
I agree itkovian - funnily enough - in both cases I linked in the post above - the goldfishes involved were swallowed whole - therefore leading to the excruciating death you describe. I wonder - if Louis were say, raising money for a charity, if anyone would have cared at all.
Haha, that's a good point.
I think the sources you linked above point out how sensationalist this whole situation is. There are really much worse things that happen to animals at the hands of humans, the only thing that makes this occurrence such a big deal is the fact that it went viral on youtube and it happened explicitly on camera.
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This might make me a terrible person, but the thought of frat kids slamming back goldfish like vodka shots I find pretty humorous :D
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heh, if I can't even feed live mice to my snake in the UK legally, why should people think its OK to eat live animals?
Unnecessary cruelty and suffering... can do what you want to anything without a spinal cord, why not just eat an insect instead.
RSPCA is just right in what they are doing, imo.
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People... its a freaking gold fish. How can meekness be running so rampant in society? Its becoming so bad its almost a disconnect from reality. Perhaps our modern age is simply too coddling.
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With great freedom comes great responsibility.
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On April 29 2012 15:04 vitruvia wrote:
With great freedom comes great responsibility.
Elaborate this abit please.
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Do the people who support fining or putting this guy in jail realize, that the fish isn't thinking to itself, "Oh man this is gonna suck, OWWWW this hurts, HOLY CRAP", because it doesn't EVEN HAVE THE ABILITY TO?!? Stop thinking for the fish you idiots.
The only reason it's sad at all, is because you make it sad by attaching YOUR thoughts about what YOU think the fish is "thinking".
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guys still an asshole pretty much. i don't really care what happens to him. shouldnt really be illegal but still an asshole.
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On April 29 2012 15:00 smokeyhoodoo wrote:
People... its a freaking gold fish. How can meekness be running so rampant in society? Its becoming so bad its almost a disconnect from reality. Perhaps our modern age is simply too coddling.
what sort of statement is that to make, he broke the law and should be punished for it. How does chewing up a live goldfish make you more of a man? The guy's is an ass, and should be treated as such.
Would it be more or less ok to eat a live kitten?
Where do you draw the line?
In a civilized country, anything that feels pain (ie anything with a spinal cord) should be killed in the most humane way possible.
To quote Ghandi, the greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. What does it say about you that you think its ok?
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It's pretty sick to kill something for your own amusement.
Let's say that instead of eating the goldfish, he would just film himself slamming it on a table and then throwing it in the garbage can. This is the same thing. He took a life totally without a purpose. Sure, he might have gained some nourishment, but that wasn't his intent.
I don't view animal lives as equal to human life, but when you're killing an animal for other reasons than for food, it's just sick.
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On April 30 2012 03:39 ninini wrote:
It's pretty sick to kill something for your own amusement.
Let's say that instead of eating the goldfish, he would just film himself slamming it on a table and then throwing it in the garbage can. This is the same thing. He took a life totally without a purpose. Sure, he might have gained some nourishment, but that wasn't his intent.
I don't view animal lives as equal to human life, but when you're killing an animal for other reasons than for food, it's just sick.
what if its for scientific research?
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On April 30 2012 03:48 Pyrrhus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 03:39 ninini wrote:
It's pretty sick to kill something for your own amusement.
Let's say that instead of eating the goldfish, he would just film himself slamming it on a table and then throwing it in the garbage can. This is the same thing. He took a life totally without a purpose. Sure, he might have gained some nourishment, but that wasn't his intent.
I don't view animal lives as equal to human life, but when you're killing an animal for other reasons than for food, it's just sick. what if its for scientific research?
he said "amusement"
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On April 30 2012 03:51 Silidons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 03:48 Pyrrhus wrote:On April 30 2012 03:39 ninini wrote:
It's pretty sick to kill something for your own amusement.
Let's say that instead of eating the goldfish, he would just film himself slamming it on a table and then throwing it in the garbage can. This is the same thing. He took a life totally without a purpose. Sure, he might have gained some nourishment, but that wasn't his intent.
I don't view animal lives as equal to human life, but when you're killing an animal for other reasons than for food, it's just sick. what if its for scientific research? he said "amusement"
"I don't view animal lives as equal to human life, but when you're killing an animal for other reasons than for food, it's just sick."
try reading his post next time, before telling me what his post said.
furthermore, scientific research is often times conducted as amusement. should scientists not enjoy what they do?
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On April 29 2012 11:04 Arghmyliver wrote:Hey guys - thought I'd share this with you. Not only did I find multiple videos on YouTube of schoolteachers eating live goldfish as part of fundraising efforts and as incentive for kids to turn in homework; + Show Spoiler +but also, goldfish swallowing was a fad in the late 1930s - where people swallowed dozens of goldfish in rapid succession. In fact - a UCLA professor determined that a grown male can swallow up to 150 goldfish safely - warning people not to exceed that number. http://www.badfads.com/events/goldfish-swallowing/
Haha, that's awesome. But I guess the difference is, this is America, where eating a goldfish isn't punishable by law, whereas the guy in the OP did it in UK, where apparently it's illegal to be an omnivore.
Soon we'll start having cases where people argue for plant rights, and before too long we'll have people suing people for eating at all... after that, I guess the only ethical thing will be to die off?
Come on people, this whole thing is a joke. Eating something does not fall under "animal cruelty" - making a bunch of dogs fight in a ring while people place bets on it IS, as well as other forms of animal TORTURE. There's a difference.
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On April 30 2012 04:00 CakeSauc3 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 11:04 Arghmyliver wrote:Hey guys - thought I'd share this with you. Not only did I find multiple videos on YouTube of schoolteachers eating live goldfish as part of fundraising efforts and as incentive for kids to turn in homework; + Show Spoiler +but also, goldfish swallowing was a fad in the late 1930s - where people swallowed dozens of goldfish in rapid succession. In fact - a UCLA professor determined that a grown male can swallow up to 150 goldfish safely - warning people not to exceed that number. http://www.badfads.com/events/goldfish-swallowing/ Haha, that's awesome. But I guess the difference is, this is America, where eating a goldfish isn't punishable by law, whereas the guy in the OP did it in UK, where apparently it's illegal to be an omnivore. Soon we'll start having cases where people argue for plant rights, and before too long we'll have people suing people for eating at all... after that, I guess the only ethical thing will be to die off? Come on people, this whole thing is a joke. Eating something does not fall under "animal cruelty" - making a bunch of dogs fight in a ring while people place bets on it IS, as well as other forms of animal TORTURE. There's a difference.
Good points, I agree with you.
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On April 30 2012 04:00 CakeSauc3 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 11:04 Arghmyliver wrote:Hey guys - thought I'd share this with you. Not only did I find multiple videos on YouTube of schoolteachers eating live goldfish as part of fundraising efforts and as incentive for kids to turn in homework; + Show Spoiler +but also, goldfish swallowing was a fad in the late 1930s - where people swallowed dozens of goldfish in rapid succession. In fact - a UCLA professor determined that a grown male can swallow up to 150 goldfish safely - warning people not to exceed that number. http://www.badfads.com/events/goldfish-swallowing/ Haha, that's awesome. But I guess the difference is, this is America, where eating a goldfish isn't punishable by law, whereas the guy in the OP did it in UK, where apparently it's illegal to be an omnivore. Soon we'll start having cases where people argue for plant rights, and before too long we'll have people suing people for eating at all... after that, I guess the only ethical thing will be to die off? Come on people, this whole thing is a joke. Eating something does not fall under "animal cruelty" - making a bunch of dogs fight in a ring while people place bets on it IS, as well as other forms of animal TORTURE. There's a difference.
Do you even know what omnivore means?
Its got nothing to do with nourishment, guy was trying to make money off ad revenue on his youtube channel by being an idiot. How can you even think that its ok to chew up a live goldfish for entertainment but not ok to have two dogs fight? how is it even different? If he was hungry he should have killed it first, THATS THE POINT HERE but he wasn't hungry - he's just a knob trying to make money from being such. Unnecessary cruelty and suffering is how its phrased in UK law, and that's what he did.
It's got absolutely nothing to do with plants having rights, it's a ludicrous link to make in this scenario.
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On April 30 2012 04:29 Detri wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 04:00 CakeSauc3 wrote:On April 29 2012 11:04 Arghmyliver wrote:Hey guys - thought I'd share this with you. Not only did I find multiple videos on YouTube of schoolteachers eating live goldfish as part of fundraising efforts and as incentive for kids to turn in homework; + Show Spoiler +but also, goldfish swallowing was a fad in the late 1930s - where people swallowed dozens of goldfish in rapid succession. In fact - a UCLA professor determined that a grown male can swallow up to 150 goldfish safely - warning people not to exceed that number. http://www.badfads.com/events/goldfish-swallowing/ Haha, that's awesome. But I guess the difference is, this is America, where eating a goldfish isn't punishable by law, whereas the guy in the OP did it in UK, where apparently it's illegal to be an omnivore. Soon we'll start having cases where people argue for plant rights, and before too long we'll have people suing people for eating at all... after that, I guess the only ethical thing will be to die off? Come on people, this whole thing is a joke. Eating something does not fall under "animal cruelty" - making a bunch of dogs fight in a ring while people place bets on it IS, as well as other forms of animal TORTURE. There's a difference. Do you even know what omnivore means? Its got nothing to do with nourishment, guy was trying to make money off ad revenue on his youtube channel by being an idiot. How can you even think that its ok to chew up a live goldfish for entertainment but not ok to have two dogs fight? how is it even different? If he was hungry he should have killed it first, THATS THE POINT HERE but he wasn't hungry - he's just a knob trying to make money from being such. Unnecessary cruelty and suffering is how its phrased in UK law, and that's what he did. It's got absolutely nothing to do with plants having rights, it's a ludicrous link to make in this scenario.
lol, so you're telling me that it's less cruel to kill the goldfish BEFORE you eat it? That doesn't change anything. Whether you kill it first or don't, you still kill the animal.
And wait, are you suggesting that the point here is that if you eat something for any reason than for getting nourishment, that's a crime? I eat all the time just because I like to eat. Should I go to jail for that?
And yes, this DOES have to do with plants having rights - because suing someone over eating a goldfish should be a serious concern for where our society is headed, as it is just as silly of an idea. This is simply a case of someone trying to get money from someone else for doing something innocent.
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