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jdsowa
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
Personally I want my country to have as little to do with "nation building" as possible. I have never condoned or thought practices of the Cold War of installing governments across the globe was a good or right option, though I understand the context in which those policies were pursued. I thought this plan in particular demonstrated an antiquated sense of America's role in the world. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22476 Posts
On October 23 2012 22:48 ThomasjServo wrote: Did anyone else feel that Romney's position on Syria, specifically that the US should be party (in an "organizational capacity," to use his words), to installing a government that is friendly to the US, was eerily similar to the position of the US with regards to the Contras in Nicaragua? Personally I want my country to have as little to do with "nation building" as possible. I have never condoned or thought practices of the Cold War of installing governments across the globe was a good or right option, though I understand the context in which those policies were pursued. I thought this plan in particular demonstrated an antiquated sense of America's role in the world. Thats a problem with Democracy. Sometimes the guys chosen to be in charge arnt the one's you wanted to. But hey you can always overthrow legal democratic goverments to instill your own guys. cause that worked so well in the past :p it really shows the duplicity in a lot of the actions made in the "Arabic spring". The west helps them overthrow tyrants. We dont get to pick who takes there place. Thats not democracy. | ||
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Lephex2.0
Germany43 Posts
sincerely, the world | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On October 23 2012 23:13 DoubleReed wrote: Well, I think the idea is that we should help them so that they will like us and then have a democracy that likes us. Outwardly that is the idea without a doubt, historically though the support that has been lent to these groups by the US specifically has not yielded the desired results. In the case of Nicaragua and Central American diplomacy during the 1980s, the training the US support troops received at the School of the Americas at Fort Benning GA led to some of the worst war crimes and dictatorships in the region. The governments that resulted were US Friendly, but not precisely enthusiastic about so called "American, Democratic Ideals." In my opinion these were instances where the US government was content to have a, "Not Communist," regime in place, which is what came to mind when Gov. Romney spoke on Syria last night. | ||
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
On October 23 2012 21:40 DoubleReed wrote: Obama stomped the debate and looked powerful and presidential. Though nobody cares about foreign policy. I still have no idea how Romneys going to balance the budget without triggering a recession. I learned alot from this post. It could explain why manny people outside america are not particulary found of the usa. (personally i like the usa btw, dont want to bash, this is just an observation since i realy find this post verry remarkable) The usa goes to war all over the world, wars with manny innocent victems, and wars wich lead to great suffering without particulary improving the situation for the people there after the war is over All in the name of free world and democracy your country does this. And the response of the people in america is "we dont care for it " Well: seeing how much impact usa,s foreign policy has on people all over the world: Maybe you should start caring. Romney: You cant balance the budget, the budget is not meant to be balanced, to manny people profit from it beeing unbalanced nor does it have to be balanced btw The budget deficit is just an accounting isue. Its not real, its virtual monney, owned for 90% to an organisation who created it out of thin air. It is just used to control the amount of monney in circulation/inflation. The fed owns 90% of all usa debt, they could in theory just say: "we scrap that debt" and noone in the world would notice a difference (beside from massive inflation) The only recent president who managed to get a surplus on the budget was clinton, but that was only due to the massive boom the economy got from the devolopment of the internet. Annyway:to balance the budget without storming the usa into recession there realy is only one option. Cut your military expenses, or simply increase the monney suply by other means then government spending. Knowing romney ,he will probably choose for the later. Balancing the budget is not needed at all though, what is needed is a reform of the monetary system. | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
Winner: football. | ||
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DownOnMyNiece
Germany155 Posts
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On October 23 2012 23:29 DownOnMyNiece wrote: Does anyone have vods for this? Debate Full video here for the third presidential debate. | ||
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Razakel
Ireland466 Posts
On October 23 2012 23:29 DownOnMyNiece wrote: Does anyone have vods for this? http://www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com/2012/10/video-watch-the-final-presidential-debate-from-boca-raton/ | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
On October 23 2012 23:27 Rassy wrote: I learned alot from this post. It could explain why manny people outside america are not particulary found of the usa. (personally i like the usa btw, dont want to bash, this is just an observation since i realy find this post verry remarkable) The usa goes to war all over the world, wars with manny innocent victems, and wars wich lead to great suffering without particulary improving the situation for the people there after the war is over All in the name of free world and democracy your country does this. And the response of the people in america is "we dont care for it " Well: seeing how much impact usa,s foreign policy has on people all over the world: Maybe you should start caring. Sorry, I phrased that poorly. Most Americans don't know that much about foreign policy. I'm certainly no expert. So having a debate over something Americans don't know that much about isn't going to be that helpful for people deciding who to vote for. That's all I meant by our lack of caring. | ||
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DownOnMyNiece
Germany155 Posts
On October 23 2012 23:26 ThomasjServo wrote: Outwardly that is the idea without a doubt, historically though the support that has been lent to these groups by the US specifically has not yielded the desired results. Historically speaking, the US-involvement in finances and war has brought an entire continent to a captitalist, pro-USA democratic paradise when it could just as easily been a communist hell-hole. | ||
white_horse
1019 Posts
On October 23 2012 23:27 Rassy wrote: I learned alot from this post. It could explain why manny people outside america are not particulary found of the usa. (personally i like the usa btw, dont want to bash, this is just an observation since i realy find this post verry remarkable) The usa goes to war all over the world, wars with manny innocent victems, and wars wich lead to great suffering without particulary improving the situation for the people there after the war is over All in the name of free world and democracy your country does this. And the response of the people in america is "we dont care for it " Well: seeing how much impact usa,s foreign policy has on people all over the world: Maybe you should start caring. You read one internet post online made by an american and that leads you to make a generalized conclusion about US attitudes towards foreign policy? | ||
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DownOnMyNiece
Germany155 Posts
On October 23 2012 23:30 ThomasjServo wrote: Debate Full video here for the third presidential debate. Thanks so much. I just love how accessible your political system is... | ||
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Swazi Spring
United States415 Posts
On October 23 2012 23:11 Lephex2.0 wrote: please americans, vote obama. sincerely, the world European socialists telling me to vote for a socialist candidate make me (and most Americans) far-less likely to vote for them. You should have endorsed Romney, then it would have the intended affect. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
On October 23 2012 17:28 aksfjh wrote: If I'm not mistaken, the way they graph out the data can actually greatly impact the way the chart looks in the first place by simply moving some data around on the chart. Why would you do that? The entire point is to show a strange abnormal correlation between precinct size and voting irregularities in larger states. This is apparently ONLY occuring in certain states with electronic voting machines/centralized tabulation machines which is exactly WHY it's so suspicious. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8146 Posts
On October 23 2012 23:43 DownOnMyNiece wrote: Thanks so much. I just love how accessible your political system is... Well, sincerly US campaign is better covered by French newspapers than our own presidential election (and people seem to care more) so you know... But yes, it's really great. I find many many things utterly stupid and incoherent in American political system, but it is remarkably accessible, and that's not given to every country. | ||
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On October 23 2012 23:39 DownOnMyNiece wrote: Historically speaking, the US-involvement in finances and war has brought an entire continent to a captitalist, pro-USA democratic paradise when it could just as easily been a communist hell-hole. There have been success stories to be certain, and in many respects some of the states Cold War policies did affect positive democratic change. I should have been more specific about states where there were contentions by proxy with the USSR and the Soviet model for Communism relative to other examples, you are correct. | ||
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
On October 23 2012 23:40 white_horse wrote: You read one internet post online made by an american and that leads you to make a generalized conclusion about US attitudes towards foreign policy? Yes i like to do that. Off course i know that generalising annything is a bad thing to do, and you have to take my post with a grain of salt. Hearing such anecdotical storys can often give you a good impression of the general opinnion though. I do think that the majority of americans is not verry interested in their foreign policy,and this post highlighted that for me. It is not meant as an attack or critique, we in the netherlands and europe are not doing anny better tbh. We have basicly the same foreign policy as the usa (we support you in everything you do) and its not realy a point of discussion here either. (just like it didnt seem to be an isue in the presidential debate, they endorse the same type of foreign policy and the difference is in the details) it was just that i realised, when reading this post,how painfull it could be for people from for example syria, afghanistan or iraq to read it. My reaction was a bit to harsh, maybe i abused your post to highlight an isue. Peoples opinnion in reality is always alot more subtle then when expressed in a post on some forum, i do know that all to well. | ||
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