President Obama Re-Elected - Page 925

On October 21 2012 17:53 Biff The Understudy wrote:

I think you overestimate people's stupidity. Even a brain damaged monkey would understand it's humoristic.

By the way amazing site, I laughed my ass off. I'll facebook that.

On October 21 2012 14:02 Souma wrote:
Wasn't it just two weeks ago that conservatives were calling Obama too soft on Iran? lol.

On October 21 2012 16:00 ticklishmusic wrote:


Yeah, shame Democrats aren't assholes.

On October 21 2012 10:17 sam!zdat wrote:
ugh, the impending collapse of your entire economic paradigm is not a minor inconvenience

2008 was just the beginning

how can everybody spend all their time talking about how fast the world is changing and then expect the world not to change???

On October 22 2012 05:41 xDaunt wrote:

The main thrust of the charge is that Obama has failed to curb Iran's interest in pursuing a nuclear weapon. Like any other "results-oriented" charge (such as Obama's failure to turn around the economy), it's a very difficult one to rebut politically.

On October 22 2012 05:46 xDaunt wrote:

I'm still waiting for one democrat or liberal in this thread to find any fault with Obama for his inability to get along with republicans. Romney will get along better with democrats better than Obama has gotten along with republicans simply because Romney is a better and more effective executive and politician. I'm guessing that he'll fall somewhere between W Bush and Clinton in terms of effecting bipartisanship. Eventually, democrats and liberals are going to realize just how bad of a president Obama has been.

On October 22 2012 05:46 xDaunt wrote:

I'm still waiting for one democrat or liberal in this thread to find any fault with Obama for his inability to get along with republicans. Romney will get along better with democrats better than Obama has gotten along with republicans simply because Romney is a better and more effective executive and politician. I'm guessing that he'll fall somewhere between W Bush and Clinton in terms of effecting bipartisanship. Eventually, democrats and liberals are going to realize just how bad of a president Obama has been.

On October 22 2012 05:54 kwizach wrote:

Meanwhile, in the real world, when Obama came into office Republicans in Congress made it their leading strategy to camp their ground and refuse to compromise with him on his key policies. That's a documented fact, not an opinion - and it has been presented to you several times in this thread already. Feel free to acknowledge it whenever you want.

On October 22 2012 06:00 farvacola wrote:

Yay 1000 posts for kwizach! More to the point, why is it that the conservatives always bump this thread with pure partisanry? Wheres the reach across the aisle?

On October 22 2012 05:54 kwizach wrote:

Meanwhile, in the real world, when Obama came into office Republicans in Congress made it their leading strategy to camp their ground and refuse to compromise with him on his key policies. That's a documented fact, not an opinion - and it has been presented to you several times in this thread already. Feel free to acknowledge it whenever you want.

On October 22 2012 05:54 Souma wrote:


The problem with you and many other Americans is that you're impatient/short-sighted and think some of the world's most critical and persisting issues can be solved within four years.



When the Republicans are petty enough to drag down the judiciary, it's not a problem with Obama.

On October 22 2012 06:04 xDaunt wrote:

I have acknowledged them numerous times, as have others.

1) Republicans were willing to work with Obama in 2009 and tried to. However, Obama, being the arrogant shit that he is, immediately started to poison the well, beginning with the stimulus package talks. Through, all he did was ruthelessly demagogue republicans on issue after issue. How exactly is that supposed to build bipartisanship? Go read Woodward's book. He agrees with me. Not with you. He blames Obama more than anyone else for the current partisan failings in Washington.

2) Bipartisanship does not mean republicans cave every time Obama wants to pass something. Bipartisanship means compromise where there legitimately is a middle ground to be had. Obama's approach to healthcare reform completely ignored this reality, resulting in arguably the most partisan legislation ever passed.

3) As I have gone blue in the face saying, all that Obama had to do to get some republican votes was offer some key republicans a role in drafting his key legislation. Every single president before Obama has done this, including W and Clinton. Obama didn't. Getting some votes from the opposing party is really fucking easy if you actually make a little bit of an effort to get them. Obama's problem is that he never did try. He never put republicans in a position where there were pressures to not vote as a block. This is just political stupidity.

On October 22 2012 06:06 Souma wrote:


Mike Lofgren disagrees with you.

In any case, judicial confirmations... Nothing - short - of - petty.

On October 22 2012 06:06 DeepElemBlues wrote:


Most Republicans are very proud that their representatives actually represented them and stood up on the principles we voted them into office to fight for. I guess it was a huge public repudiation of Republican policy when in 2010 the Republicans won the most House seats since 1946.

I don't recall many complaints about obstructionism for the sake of obstructionism re: judicial filibusters during the Bush Administration, or the Democrats doing exactly the same thing from 2004-2006 that the Republicans have done from 2008 to now.

On October 02 2012 22:09 Souma wrote:


Oh OPEN YOUR EYES for once. It's one thing to agree with the policies of Republicanism, it's another thing to defend the current Republican party whose obstructionism is at an unprecedented all time high by FAR.



Democrats did the exact same thing? Not even close. Republicans broke the all-time record for filibusters during the 111th Congress, of which the previous record held was by the 110th Congress which was also led by the Republican minority (filibusters doubled compared to the 109th!).

To top it all off, it's taken them an average of 139 days to confirm Circuit Court nominees compared to the 29 days it took the Bush Administration, and 99 days for District Court nominees compared to 21 days for Bush. We have TONS of vacancies in the federal courts and the Republicans are pissing off even the judiciary! They're even doing the same with executive nominations.

Once again it's one thing to believe in the ideals of Republicanism. It's also nice if you'd have the balls like a couple of other posters in this thread to actually praise Republican obstructionism. But don't even try to say Democrats did the same shit. It's not even close.

The problem with you and many foreigners is that you have a shaky command, at best, of the facts when you criticize Americans. Iran's nuclear program has been an issue since 2003, when it was revealed to the public as being real despite the Iranian government denying many times that they had a nuclear program. It has been 9 years of efforts and Iran keeps barreling ahead. In a few years at most (less if they accelerate their efforts) they'll have enough 40% enriched uranium to make enough 90% enriched for a bomb really fast. Once you get to 40 its not a huge step to take it up to 90.

4 of those years have been under Obama and progress has not been satisfactory, just as the Bush strategy of putting Europe in the lead on Iran gave us 5 years of Iran giving everyone the finger.

I seem to remember the assaults on Robert Bork and Clarence Thomas, on Samuel Alito, the intense pressure put on John Roberts over the Obamacare case by both sides. The judiciary, if it has been dragged down, has a party grabbing each arm to do so.



lolol 50% of the posts in this thread are pure liberal partisanship and another 30% are liberals trying to seriously debate their ideas with conservatives. Let us have our 20% in peace please

On October 22 2012 05:46 DeepElemBlues wrote:


Collapse has been impending for 140 years now

On October 22 2012 06:12 DeepElemBlues wrote:


Were you asleep from 2004-2006?

And why should I care about Mike Lofgren? Boohoo disgruntled Mike Lofgren talks like an Occupy loser and I'm supposed to care about his personal opinion. Zell Miller talked mad shit on the Democrats in 2004 and it wasn't important to anyone but partisans grasping at a cheap way to hit John Kerry. And that's all these people are who suddenly start severely criticizing the side they worked for for years and years. Cheap tools to score cheap points with the already convinced. It's funny how once they've seen the light, they suddenly start parroting precisely the talking points their new allies were using before they switched...

On October 22 2012 05:46 xDaunt wrote:

I'm still waiting for one democrat or liberal in this thread to find any fault with Obama for his inability to get along with republicans. Romney will get along better with democrats better than Obama has gotten along with republicans simply because Romney is a better and more effective executive and politician. I'm guessing that he'll fall somewhere between W Bush and Clinton in terms of effecting bipartisanship. Eventually, democrats and liberals are going to realize just how bad of a president Obama has been.

On October 22 2012 06:23 DocTheMedic wrote:


More like because Romney is 100% white and Obama isn't.

On October 22 2012 06:24 xDaunt wrote:

Ah yes, the old "all republicans are racist" card. Your contribution to this thread is much-appreciated.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Of course filibusters and obstructionism are nothing new. What's new is the immense escalation of such to the point where governance has been put on a backlog.

Of course you're supposed to care what a guy like Mike Lofgren has to say. The guy's been working for the Republicans in Congress since the Reagan Administration and has had front-row seats to all budget talks. You're so partisan you can't even take to heart the facts laid out by a member of your own party if it hurts your feelings.

Iran is not close to having an operational nuclear weapon. I'm pretty sure Joe Biden clearly laid out the details during the Vice Presidential debate. If they ever did get dangerously close, America would not sit around. Until then, we will not sacrifice American lives to satisfy some stupid war hunger you conservatives hold. Romney-Ryan haven't even said what they would do differently.