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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

The new thread can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383301
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
October 17 2012 03:42 GMT
#17261
On October 17 2012 12:39 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 12:37 Supamang wrote:
On October 17 2012 12:36 xDaunt wrote:
Obama's record is so fatal that he can't win so long as there is a credible alternative.

Come on lets be completely honest with ourselves here...this is an exaggeration.

I really don't think so. Obama's record is horrible by an objective standard. He's on par with Jimmy Carter.


Yes if you include first half of 2009, no if you look at mid-2009 to the present.

I think the latter is more fair, conservatives would prefer the former.
Jumbled
Profile Joined September 2010
1543 Posts
October 17 2012 03:43 GMT
#17262
On October 17 2012 12:19 xDaunt wrote:
So I'm watching this Frank Luntz focus group on Fox right now that is supposedly made up of undecided voters, most of whom voted for Obama in 2008. By an overwhelming margin, they said that they were not voting for Romney. Usually Frank Luntz does a good job, and usually focus groups are fairly reliable if properly selected (I've conducted them), but I have my doubts about this one. What surprised me was how they perceived that Obama was on the defensive most of the time -- that he had few answers for Romney's charges against his record. I guess the whole primacy and recency thing matters (Romney led off with an indictment of Obama's record if you remember and Obama didn't really defend himself at the start or in his closing remarks).

That's the thing about negative campaigning - it's stupid but it works. There are plenty of voters who'll buy into it simply based on repetition or who's louder.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 17 2012 03:43 GMT
#17263
On October 17 2012 12:40 sam!zdat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 12:38 xDaunt wrote:
On October 17 2012 12:37 sam!zdat wrote:
There is no alternative, xDaunt. There is no alternative. Don't you know??

Let me revel in my naïveté.


nah you just provoked one of my little pet obsessions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_is_no_alternative

edit: nice job on those diacritics though - u so cultured xdaunt <3

Alas, I must give all credit to my iPad for the auto formatting. I really can't be bothered otherwise. Plus, I hate the French.
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
October 17 2012 03:44 GMT
#17264
On October 17 2012 12:36 xDaunt wrote:
So I'm watching this Frank Luntz focus group on Fox right now that is supposedly made up of undecided voters, most of whom voted for Obama in 2008. By an overwhelming margin, they said that they were not voting for Romney
....
the explanation for their findings is my plywood board theory: Obama's record is so fatal that he can't win so long as there is a credible alternative.

(this is from two separate posts, I've condensed it into what is relevant for my question)

I'm confused by what you mean here. Your plywood board theory would explain why undecided voters would eventually vote for Romney. But your first statement says the undecided voters, by an overwhelming margin, said that they were not voting for Romney. Did you mean that, before the debate they weren't going to vote Romney, but now they are? Or was the "not" a typo?
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 17 2012 03:45 GMT
#17265
On October 17 2012 12:42 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 12:39 xDaunt wrote:
On October 17 2012 12:37 Supamang wrote:
On October 17 2012 12:36 xDaunt wrote:
Obama's record is so fatal that he can't win so long as there is a credible alternative.

Come on lets be completely honest with ourselves here...this is an exaggeration.

I really don't think so. Obama's record is horrible by an objective standard. He's on par with Jimmy Carter.


Yes if you include first half of 2009, no if you look at mid-2009 to the present.

I think the latter is more fair, conservatives would prefer the former.

Most of the charges against Obama are related to actions taken after 2009.
gostunv
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan1178 Posts
October 17 2012 03:45 GMT
#17266
I dont know why you guys keep trying to talk sense into xDaunt. He obviously believes this rhetoric that FOX news isnt "that biased" and keeps talking about things he sees on that channel like it represents how most of Americans feel.

I mean most news networks are shit but if CNBC is shit crumbs, FOX is the faucet that pours out diarrhea .
teamblackeye.com ///// http://www.youtube.com/user/gostunv ///// https://twitter.com/forgenjuro
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
October 17 2012 03:45 GMT
#17267
On October 17 2012 12:43 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 12:40 sam!zdat wrote:
On October 17 2012 12:38 xDaunt wrote:
On October 17 2012 12:37 sam!zdat wrote:
There is no alternative, xDaunt. There is no alternative. Don't you know??

Let me revel in my naïveté.


nah you just provoked one of my little pet obsessions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_is_no_alternative

edit: nice job on those diacritics though - u so cultured xdaunt <3

Alas, I must give all credit to my iPad for the auto formatting. I really can't be bothered otherwise. Plus, I hate the French.


LOL and I was all impressed there for minute :D The shiny white fetish makes everyone look smart even when they don't want to!
shikata ga nai
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
October 17 2012 03:46 GMT
#17268
you can use words like objective all you want but you are parroting. you need to provide examples rather than just say obamas terrible.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 17 2012 03:46 GMT
#17269
On October 17 2012 12:44 Signet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 12:36 xDaunt wrote:
So I'm watching this Frank Luntz focus group on Fox right now that is supposedly made up of undecided voters, most of whom voted for Obama in 2008. By an overwhelming margin, they said that they were not voting for Romney
....
the explanation for their findings is my plywood board theory: Obama's record is so fatal that he can't win so long as there is a credible alternative.

(this is from two separate posts, I've condensed it into what is relevant for my question)

I'm confused by what you mean here. Your plywood board theory would explain why undecided voters would eventually vote for Romney. But your first statement says the undecided voters, by an overwhelming margin, said that they were not voting for Romney. Did you mean that, before the debate they weren't going to vote Romney, but now they are? Or was the "not" a typo?

Sorry, I meant to say that they are now voting for Romney.
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
October 17 2012 03:47 GMT
#17270
On October 17 2012 12:45 gostunv wrote:
I dont know why you guys keep trying to talk sense into xDaunt.


you talking shit about my boy xdaunt? come over hur and say that again
shikata ga nai
heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
October 17 2012 03:49 GMT
#17271
On October 17 2012 12:30 BluePanther wrote:
They need to give the moderator a mic kill switch.

I would prefer a shock collar.
dude bro.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 17 2012 03:49 GMT
#17272
On October 17 2012 12:46 turdburgler wrote:
you can use words like objective all you want but you are parroting. you need to provide examples rather than just say obamas terrible.

I don't really feel the need to relitigate stuff that has already been discussed ad nauseum in this thread. Go do a search if you have no idea what Obama has screwed up on.
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
October 17 2012 03:49 GMT
#17273
On October 17 2012 12:47 sam!zdat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 12:45 gostunv wrote:
I dont know why you guys keep trying to talk sense into xDaunt.


you talking shit about my boy xdaunt? come over hur and say that again

It's spelled "hurr."

Uncultured, tsk tsk...
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 03:52:50
October 17 2012 03:50 GMT
#17274
On October 17 2012 12:49 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 12:47 sam!zdat wrote:
On October 17 2012 12:45 gostunv wrote:
I dont know why you guys keep trying to talk sense into xDaunt.


you talking shit about my boy xdaunt? come over hur and say that again

It's spelled "hurr."

Uncultured, tsk tsk...


sorry i don't has an ipad (if they'd stop taxing my fucking capital gains maybe I could get one )
shikata ga nai
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 03:52:55
October 17 2012 03:50 GMT
#17275
Chuck Todd has to be the most boring person in the world.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
October 17 2012 03:53 GMT
#17276
On October 17 2012 12:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Chuck Todd has to be the most boring person in the world.


Ben Stein will accept that challenge.
Yargh
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 03:55:19
October 17 2012 03:54 GMT
#17277
On October 17 2012 12:49 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 12:46 turdburgler wrote:
you can use words like objective all you want but you are parroting. you need to provide examples rather than just say obamas terrible.

I don't really feel the need to relitigate stuff that has already been discussed ad nauseum in this thread. Go do a search if you have no idea what Obama has screwed up on.


if you dont want to repeat it why bring it up, you cant make random ass claims then tell me to do the research. thats not how things work

On October 17 2012 12:49 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 12:47 sam!zdat wrote:
On October 17 2012 12:45 gostunv wrote:
I dont know why you guys keep trying to talk sense into xDaunt.


you talking shit about my boy xdaunt? come over hur and say that again

It's spelled "hurr."

Uncultured, tsk tsk...


actually hur is the ghetto word for here, as in get over hur.

hurr is the sound you make when you go full retard as in, hurr durr.
gostunv
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan1178 Posts
October 17 2012 03:54 GMT
#17278
On October 17 2012 12:47 sam!zdat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 12:45 gostunv wrote:
I dont know why you guys keep trying to talk sense into xDaunt.


you talking shit about my boy xdaunt? come over hur and say that again


im in front of your door right now. look up. your computer is now diamonds. i punch a hole through your wall and it reveals the secret passage way to Atlantis. ive got 2 tickets to that show you like on any day. i find jimmy hoffa under your bed alive and we all have a nice tea break.
teamblackeye.com ///// http://www.youtube.com/user/gostunv ///// https://twitter.com/forgenjuro
BluePanther
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2776 Posts
October 17 2012 03:56 GMT
#17279
On October 17 2012 12:54 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 12:49 xDaunt wrote:
On October 17 2012 12:46 turdburgler wrote:
you can use words like objective all you want but you are parroting. you need to provide examples rather than just say obamas terrible.

I don't really feel the need to relitigate stuff that has already been discussed ad nauseum in this thread. Go do a search if you have no idea what Obama has screwed up on.


if you dont want to repeat it why bring it up, you cant make random ass claims then tell me to do the research. thats not how things work


scumbag turdburgler:





demands discussion on internet forum

*insert picture of turdburgler*


on page 864
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 17 2012 03:56 GMT
#17280
Someone needs to buy Jindal a map of the United States.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
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