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On October 17 2012 13:07 shinyA wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 13:04 darthfoley wrote:
Obama fucking delivered. Romney clearly lost, especially the last 15 minutes (more specifically, the last question) Romney only lost on irrelevant topics that I don't care about, like women and public education. As for taxes, job outsourcing, and economy; he won IMO. He also wins healthcare by default since Obamacare is a joke. Also, I don't really feel like either 'won' on immigration or gun control so they're a wash~
Really dude? Women are half of the world and students are raising their vocal voice over tuition is too damn high and no job. I think losing those 2 questions are gonna hurt Romney quite a bit.
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We know what the administration official statements were, but the video is right there. It is incontrovertible evidence that what Obama and the moderator said in the debate was true. Obama did in fact call it an act of terror the day after it happened.
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Here's the transcript of the President's Libya speech he was referring to:
"...Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourned with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi. As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe. No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for..."
Keep in mind that he does directly refer to the attacks as "brutal" "outrageous" "shocking" and "senseless violence" but he is very careful to avoid actually calling them terror attacks. Also keep in mind that his administration spent that entire day, and the two weeks to follow, blaming it on unrest due to youtube videos, rather than an organized terrorist attack. Yet Candy totally made it seem like ROMNEY was the liar.
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On October 17 2012 13:33 vman44 wrote:
Here's the transcript of the President's Libya speech he was referring to:
"...Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourned with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi. As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe. No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for..."
Keep in mind that he does directly refer to the attacks as "brutal" "outrageous" "shocking" and "senseless violence" but he is very careful to avoid actually calling them terror attacks. Also keep in mind that his administration spent that entire day, and the two weeks to follow, blaming it on unrest due to youtube videos, rather than an organized terrorist attack. Yet Candy totally made it seem like ROMNEY was the liar.
According to any grammar rules for the English language that you can find, the structure of that paragraph clearly lumps the Benghazi attack together with 9/11 to make them both terrorist attacks.
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On October 17 2012 13:33 vman44 wrote:
Here's the transcript of the President's Libya speech he was referring to:
"...Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourned with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi. As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe. No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for..."
Keep in mind that he does directly refer to the attacks as "brutal" "outrageous" "shocking" and "senseless violence" but he is very careful to avoid actually calling them terror attacks. Also keep in mind that his administration spent that entire day, and the two weeks to follow, blaming it on unrest due to youtube videos, rather than an organized terrorist attack. Yet Candy totally made it seem like ROMNEY was the liar.
In his last sentence he says "acts of terror" in a very general sense. Yes, he used the term, but it's very unclear if it was descriptive of these events or just in the general sense of the statement. I thought it was the latter at the time, particularly given their video excuse. I still think so. I don't fault Romney at all for what happened on this issue beyond focusing on semantics instead of substance.
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On October 17 2012 13:37 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 13:33 vman44 wrote:
Here's the transcript of the President's Libya speech he was referring to:
"...Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourned with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi. As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe. No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for..."
Keep in mind that he does directly refer to the attacks as "brutal" "outrageous" "shocking" and "senseless violence" but he is very careful to avoid actually calling them terror attacks. Also keep in mind that his administration spent that entire day, and the two weeks to follow, blaming it on unrest due to youtube videos, rather than an organized terrorist attack. Yet Candy totally made it seem like ROMNEY was the liar. According to any grammar rules for the English language that you can find, the structure of that paragraph clearly lumps the Benghazi attack together with 9/11 to make them both terrorist attacks.
Which rule?
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If anything, I suspect he might lose a point. Not winning or tied, yet just close enough to make him think he's still got a shot.
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Something is wrong with Obama. He seems off and stuttering. Is he sick?
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On October 17 2012 12:08 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 12:06 FabledIntegral wrote:
I missed the debate, but according to my facebook status updates, Obama just took a huge dump on Romney? Even taking into account my age demographic of ~23 is more likely to be liberal, it seems a little overwhelming. How could you not expect facebook to be overwhelming? You kidding? It's facebook.
Overwhelmingly skewed to one side....
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On October 17 2012 13:40 either I or wrote:
Something is wrong with Obama. He seems off and stuttering. Is he sick?
His oration has always been mostly rhetoric. He stutters when discussing specifics. This was a knock on him last cycle too because he always did that when he was off the teleprompter. It's not a change.
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Hahahaha. According to any logic rules, he clearly DIDN'T refer to the attacks as terror attacks. You would fail the LSAT. And as Blue Panther is clearly alluding to, there is no "grammar rule" that supports your opinion.
Not to mention that the Obama administration was referring to a youtube video that entire day and two weeks to follow as the cause of the attack, not a terrorist plot.
Additionally, an administration official had this to say 5 days following the attack:
We are obviously investigating this very closely. The FBI has a lead in this investigation," Rice said Sept. 16 on "Fox News Sunday." "The information, the best information and the best assessment we have today is that in fact this was not a preplanned, premeditated attack. That what happened initially was that it was a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired in Cairo as a consequence of the video. People gathered outside the embassy and then it grew very violent and those with extremist ties joined the fray and came with heavy weapons, which unfortunately are quite common in post-revolutionary Libya and that then spun out of control.
"But we don't see at this point signs this was a coordinated plan, premeditated attack. Obviously, we will wait for the results of the investigation and we don't want to jump to conclusions before then. But I do think it's important for the American people to know our best current assessment."
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On October 17 2012 13:13 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 13:07 shinyA wrote:On October 17 2012 13:04 darthfoley wrote:
Obama fucking delivered. Romney clearly lost, especially the last 15 minutes (more specifically, the last question) Romney only lost on irrelevant topics that I don't care about, like women and public education. As for taxes, job outsourcing, and economy; he won IMO. He also wins healthcare by default since Obamacare is a joke. Also, I don't really feel like either 'won' on immigration or gun control so they're a wash~ you dont care about public education? but you care about job outsourcing and the economy? so you either believe stupid people can get good jobs, or that only people born rich deserve to get rich, because fuck public schools right? Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 13:10 Kaitlin wrote:On October 17 2012 13:06 HellRoxYa wrote:On October 17 2012 13:05 Kaitlin wrote:
Candy Crowley was wrong on the Bengazi thing, as was Obama. Romney was right. CNN walked that back that she admitted she was wrong and Romney was right. What are you talking about? Turn on CNN. Anderson Cooper first walked it back, then Candy Crowley herself admitted she was wrong. Funny to me, is Obama's response to Candy's comment during the debate was fully embracing what she was saying, and now she comes out admitting she was wrong. Kinda leaves Obama holding the bag lol. all he needs to say is that he wont let his campaign be run by fact checkers.
Public education isn't the problem, it's parents. If you want to apply yourself in school then you'll do well, if you don't then you won't. There's a reason it's the poverty stricken schools that are the ones with the bad grades, and it isn't the curriculum. It's the parents in those areas, in general, that don't teach their children anything and then blame the schools.
I've been through the public education system and have seen this first hand. If you don't apply yourself then you're probably not even going to go to school past high school and thus don't care about high school in the first place. It isn't the schools fault and giving more money to schools or hiring more teachers isn't going to change that.
There's also a big blame on society and our culture in general. But blaming teachers and the schools is way more easy and lets people avoid responsibility. Look at our society, our media, etc and ask yourself if school is a priority to our youth. Compare our society to Asian society in terms of schools, it isn't that the schools themselves are better it's that everyone knows the importance of education; parents, children, etc...
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On October 17 2012 13:37 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 13:33 vman44 wrote:
Here's the transcript of the President's Libya speech he was referring to:
"...Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourned with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi. As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe. No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for..."
Keep in mind that he does directly refer to the attacks as "brutal" "outrageous" "shocking" and "senseless violence" but he is very careful to avoid actually calling them terror attacks. Also keep in mind that his administration spent that entire day, and the two weeks to follow, blaming it on unrest due to youtube videos, rather than an organized terrorist attack. Yet Candy totally made it seem like ROMNEY was the liar. According to any grammar rules for the English language that you can find, the structure of that paragraph clearly lumps the Benghazi attack together with 9/11 to make them both terrorist attacks.
Where were the grammar police when the "you didnt build that" nonsense was going on.
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On October 17 2012 13:46 shinyA wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 13:13 turdburgler wrote:On October 17 2012 13:07 shinyA wrote:On October 17 2012 13:04 darthfoley wrote:
Obama fucking delivered. Romney clearly lost, especially the last 15 minutes (more specifically, the last question) Romney only lost on irrelevant topics that I don't care about, like women and public education. As for taxes, job outsourcing, and economy; he won IMO. He also wins healthcare by default since Obamacare is a joke. Also, I don't really feel like either 'won' on immigration or gun control so they're a wash~ you dont care about public education? but you care about job outsourcing and the economy? so you either believe stupid people can get good jobs, or that only people born rich deserve to get rich, because fuck public schools right? On October 17 2012 13:10 Kaitlin wrote:On October 17 2012 13:06 HellRoxYa wrote:On October 17 2012 13:05 Kaitlin wrote:
Candy Crowley was wrong on the Bengazi thing, as was Obama. Romney was right. CNN walked that back that she admitted she was wrong and Romney was right. What are you talking about? Turn on CNN. Anderson Cooper first walked it back, then Candy Crowley herself admitted she was wrong. Funny to me, is Obama's response to Candy's comment during the debate was fully embracing what she was saying, and now she comes out admitting she was wrong. Kinda leaves Obama holding the bag lol. all he needs to say is that he wont let his campaign be run by fact checkers. Public education isn't the problem, it's parents. If you want to apply yourself in school then you'll do well, if you don't then you won't. There's a reason it's the poverty stricken schools that are the ones with the bad grades, and it isn't the curriculum. It's the parents in those areas, in general, that don't teach their children anything and then blame the schools. I've been through the public education system and have seen this first hand. If you don't apply yourself then you're probably not even going to go to school past high school and thus don't care about high school in the first place. It isn't the schools fault and giving more money to schools or hiring more teachers isn't going to change that.
Yeah man, i'm sure that not being in a class of 45-50 kids and actually having enough chairs, nevermind books, to go around is definitely NOT a way to encourage people to learn more...
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On October 17 2012 13:48 GTPGlitch wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 13:46 shinyA wrote:On October 17 2012 13:13 turdburgler wrote:On October 17 2012 13:07 shinyA wrote:On October 17 2012 13:04 darthfoley wrote:
Obama fucking delivered. Romney clearly lost, especially the last 15 minutes (more specifically, the last question) Romney only lost on irrelevant topics that I don't care about, like women and public education. As for taxes, job outsourcing, and economy; he won IMO. He also wins healthcare by default since Obamacare is a joke. Also, I don't really feel like either 'won' on immigration or gun control so they're a wash~ you dont care about public education? but you care about job outsourcing and the economy? so you either believe stupid people can get good jobs, or that only people born rich deserve to get rich, because fuck public schools right? On October 17 2012 13:10 Kaitlin wrote:On October 17 2012 13:06 HellRoxYa wrote:On October 17 2012 13:05 Kaitlin wrote:
Candy Crowley was wrong on the Bengazi thing, as was Obama. Romney was right. CNN walked that back that she admitted she was wrong and Romney was right. What are you talking about? Turn on CNN. Anderson Cooper first walked it back, then Candy Crowley herself admitted she was wrong. Funny to me, is Obama's response to Candy's comment during the debate was fully embracing what she was saying, and now she comes out admitting she was wrong. Kinda leaves Obama holding the bag lol. all he needs to say is that he wont let his campaign be run by fact checkers. Public education isn't the problem, it's parents. If you want to apply yourself in school then you'll do well, if you don't then you won't. There's a reason it's the poverty stricken schools that are the ones with the bad grades, and it isn't the curriculum. It's the parents in those areas, in general, that don't teach their children anything and then blame the schools. I've been through the public education system and have seen this first hand. If you don't apply yourself then you're probably not even going to go to school past high school and thus don't care about high school in the first place. It isn't the schools fault and giving more money to schools or hiring more teachers isn't going to change that. Yeah man, i'm sure that not being in a class of 45-50 kids and actually having enough chairs, nevermind books, to go around is definitely NOT a way to encourage people to learn more...
That's not even the case, even in the worst schools. But even if it were, you can apply yourself and actually work at it then you would succeed. It's easy to blame your situation and give up, that's the problem.
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On October 17 2012 13:31 Stratos_speAr wrote:We know what the administration official statements were, but the video is right there. It is incontrovertible evidence that what Obama and the moderator said in the debate was true. Obama did in fact call it an act of terror the day after it happened.
An act of terror is not the same as a terrorist attack. A terrorist attack is an organized group of people that attack something hoping to inflict terror. An act of terror is a spontaneous attack by an individual that creates terror. Why else would he go on to cite the videos days and even more than a week later as the cause of the violence?
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On October 17 2012 13:46 shinyA wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 13:13 turdburgler wrote:On October 17 2012 13:07 shinyA wrote:On October 17 2012 13:04 darthfoley wrote:
Obama fucking delivered. Romney clearly lost, especially the last 15 minutes (more specifically, the last question) Romney only lost on irrelevant topics that I don't care about, like women and public education. As for taxes, job outsourcing, and economy; he won IMO. He also wins healthcare by default since Obamacare is a joke. Also, I don't really feel like either 'won' on immigration or gun control so they're a wash~ you dont care about public education? but you care about job outsourcing and the economy? so you either believe stupid people can get good jobs, or that only people born rich deserve to get rich, because fuck public schools right? On October 17 2012 13:10 Kaitlin wrote:On October 17 2012 13:06 HellRoxYa wrote:On October 17 2012 13:05 Kaitlin wrote:
Candy Crowley was wrong on the Bengazi thing, as was Obama. Romney was right. CNN walked that back that she admitted she was wrong and Romney was right. What are you talking about? Turn on CNN. Anderson Cooper first walked it back, then Candy Crowley herself admitted she was wrong. Funny to me, is Obama's response to Candy's comment during the debate was fully embracing what she was saying, and now she comes out admitting she was wrong. Kinda leaves Obama holding the bag lol. all he needs to say is that he wont let his campaign be run by fact checkers. Public education isn't the problem, it's parents. If you want to apply yourself in school then you'll do well, if you don't then you won't. There's a reason it's the poverty stricken schools that are the ones with the bad grades, and it isn't the curriculum. It's the parents in those areas, in general, that don't teach their children anything and then blame the schools. I've been through the public education system and have seen this first hand. If you don't apply yourself then you're probably not even going to go to school past high school and thus don't care about high school in the first place. It isn't the schools fault and giving more money to schools or hiring more teachers isn't going to change that. There's also a big blame on society and our culture in general. But blaming teachers and the schools is way more easy and lets people avoid responsibility. Look at our society, our media, etc and ask yourself if school is a priority to our youth. Compare our society to Asian society in terms of schools, it isn't that the schools themselves are better it's that everyone knows the importance of education; parents, children, etc...
Parents are an issue, but the American Public School system is a joke and lags behind the rest of the modern world.
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On October 17 2012 13:43 BluePanther wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 13:40 either I or wrote:
Something is wrong with Obama. He seems off and stuttering. Is he sick? His oration has always been mostly rhetoric. He stutters when discussing specifics. This was a knock on him last cycle too because he always did that when he was off the teleprompter. It's not a change.
Not really. I volunteered for him in 2008 and have seen him in person during debates and conferences. He rarely, if never, stutters, in the 6 month period that I've seen him then when he was out in public or when he was with the group.
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On October 17 2012 13:50 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 13:31 Stratos_speAr wrote:We know what the administration official statements were, but the video is right there. It is incontrovertible evidence that what Obama and the moderator said in the debate was true. Obama did in fact call it an act of terror the day after it happened. An act of terror is not the same as a terrorist attack. A terrorist attack is an organized group of people that attack something hoping to inflict terror. An act of terror is a spontaneous attack by an individual that creates terror. Why else would he go on to cite the videos days and even more than a week later as the cause of the violence?
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=act of terrorism
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