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On October 04 2012 11:33 Gatored wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 11:30 Rotodyne wrote:On October 04 2012 11:27 Gatored wrote:On October 04 2012 11:23 oneofthem wrote:
rofl why the fuck is romney fucking around with green energy. Because all the investing done in green energy from Obama has been one big scandal to fill the pockets of his campaign donors. Solyndra, case and point. How terrible, the end result could possibly be more green energy and less reliance on oil. Oh the horror. How terrible, the end result was investing in green energy with it failing. But wait, it wasn't a complete failure because these green energy companies made off with a lot of money and they just so happened to be Obama's friends. That goes down as a loss-win for Obama if his goal is to actually help the American people. At least he won something, right?
Also a double standard in the eyes of some that he wants to remove investment (tax cuts) from Exxon mobile 2.5 billion and give 90 billion to green energy.
But as I said earlier, he can argue the role of governement is to steer society in a given direction, but that wouldn't be to popular in the USA I would think.
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On October 04 2012 11:32 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 11:30 jdseemoreglass wrote:On October 04 2012 11:30 Slaughter wrote:On October 04 2012 11:28 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 04 2012 11:27 Slaughter wrote:
Romney just seems like a no personality trust fund into business man with *connections* cliche with no real personality. He just seems to be trying so hard to be white awesome politician man. Like he took all his cues from watching TV/Movie depictions of Good Boy White politician. racist much? Racist against my own race? You act like that's rare or something. I don't see how my comment about how the image that Romney is projecting is so generic and cliche "good ole boys" image is racist.
I didn't even read your comment, I responded to your suggestion that people can't be racist against their own race.
I think Romney started off strong this debate. He got the first several points but slowly fell apart. Tortoise and the Hare type of debate, with Obama coming from behind.
When it comes to the points, I put Romney as the winner of this debate. When it comes to appearance, Obama.
On October 04 2012 11:36 Deathmanbob wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 11:36 ey215 wrote:
Politico's stream calling it the "best we've seen Romney" and "Romney had the night of his life." Yeah, romney won
I'm actually watching MSNBC right now and they seem to be calling it for Romney as well which is shocking to me. o.O
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the entire debate is pretty much moot on the government stuff, the economy stuff. the healthcare thing is the only mover, so to speak. obama said vouchers like 5 times and that's enough to at least call it even.
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On October 04 2012 11:34 wo1fwood wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 11:27 Taku wrote:
Both of them seem pretty terrible in terms of adhering to debate/debate skills as well as their actual arguments lol. welcome to american politics, where %95 (that's probably low balling it) of the time you will see a politician avoid the question that was asked, and then segue to an answer of a question that wasn't asked. 
In germany it's completely the same :D not only an american issue.
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foreign policy?
Romney: Obamacare Military
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On October 04 2012 11:34 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 11:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 04 2012 11:32 xDaunt wrote:
Good closing argument by Romney, particularly when compared to Obama's rambling mess.
8-4, Romney. That's because he got the last word lol. He can say anything he wants and he can't get countered. He pretty much did say anything he wanted. Politico having a field day.
I think the closing was emblematic of the debate: Romney didn't say a single positive thing about what he would do, only hypotheticals about how Obama was going to cause everything short of nuclear war.
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On October 04 2012 11:35 rogzardo wrote:
Obama: appearing weak because he tells truth.
Romney: appearing strong because he lies.
GG US presidential debates!
Sadly, there's a lot of truth here.
On October 04 2012 11:37 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 11:34 Craton wrote:On October 04 2012 11:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 04 2012 11:32 xDaunt wrote:
Good closing argument by Romney, particularly when compared to Obama's rambling mess.
8-4, Romney. That's because he got the last word lol. He can say anything he wants and he can't get countered. He pretty much did say anything he wanted. Politico having a field day. I think the closing was emblematic of the debate: Romney didn't say a single positive thing about what he would do, only hypotheticals about how Obama was going to cause everything short of nuclear war.
Wait until foreign policy day, then we'll 100% have Romney dooming the US to nuclear destruction concerning Obama's handling of Iran.
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Romney did a great job this debate by completely changing his platform from what it was when he was last out on the campaign trail.
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When MSNBC says the Republican won, how can you even argue the fact?
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Romney just doesnt seem willing to commit to anything, preferring to attack Obama rather than talk about himself.
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Romney clearly won. It wasn't even close. I'm not surprised either. I'll write more in a bit.
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On October 04 2012 11:36 BluePanther wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 11:32 Deathmanbob wrote:On October 04 2012 11:31 BluePanther wrote:On October 04 2012 11:29 MWY wrote:On October 04 2012 11:25 BluePanther wrote:On October 04 2012 11:24 MWY wrote:
grading schools? wtf does he think this will solve... school choice. think amazon.com customer feedback. but for schools. I understood what he wants to do.. but seriously this will never do any good. Bad schools get no kids? Or just the poor kids? Whos rating how?... The idea behind it is that poorer children can go to more affluent schools if they choose to. It prevents richer neighborhoods from having significantly better schools than poorer neighborhoods and telling those poor kids they can't go to the better school. It allows the poor families choose to send their child to the better school. the question i think people have is how are these kids getting to these better schools? generally the same way they get to their school now. it's pretty advanced in the state of wisconsin, my niece goes to a charter school. my aunt and uncle picked it because it teaches some of the material in spanish and they want her to be bilingual. it's a solid program if you ask me.
Okay, well i live in a city in California, we have highschools in my city because we have a decent size population. I went to North highschool despite the fact that West highschool had better programs, if i was able to attend west, how am i to get there? we dont have a good buss route, if im poor and dont have a car i cant walk the 10+ miles to get to the other school when my school is only one mile away. There is a logistical problem to getting to better schools for the poor
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On October 04 2012 11:37 seiferoth10 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 11:35 rogzardo wrote:
Obama: appearing weak because he tells truth.
Romney: appearing strong because he lies.
GG US presidential debates! Sadly, there's a lot of truth here.
Now, lets see if the rest of us wise Americans can see that.
If Romney wins, we screwed.
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On October 04 2012 11:37 seiferoth10 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 11:35 rogzardo wrote:
Obama: appearing weak because he tells truth.
Romney: appearing strong because he lies.
GG US presidential debates! Sadly, there's a lot of truth here. Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 11:37 TheTenthDoc wrote:On October 04 2012 11:34 Craton wrote:On October 04 2012 11:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 04 2012 11:32 xDaunt wrote:
Good closing argument by Romney, particularly when compared to Obama's rambling mess.
8-4, Romney. That's because he got the last word lol. He can say anything he wants and he can't get countered. He pretty much did say anything he wanted. Politico having a field day. I think the closing was emblematic of the debate: Romney didn't say a single positive thing about what he would do, only hypotheticals about how Obama was going to cause everything short of nuclear war. Wait until foreign policy day, then we'll 100% have Romney dooming the US to nuclear destruction concerning Obama's handling of Iran.
Politifact, who usually favors Obama in truth-telling, seems to think Romney is telling more truth than Obama in this debate.
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It's a lot easier to 'interview' for a job than to defend the job you did.
Of course Romney won.
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On October 04 2012 11:38 Schvitzer wrote:
When MSNBC says the Republican won, how can you even argue the fact?
^^ so true
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On October 04 2012 11:39 kmillz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 11:37 seiferoth10 wrote:On October 04 2012 11:35 rogzardo wrote:
Obama: appearing weak because he tells truth.
Romney: appearing strong because he lies.
GG US presidential debates! Sadly, there's a lot of truth here. On October 04 2012 11:37 TheTenthDoc wrote:On October 04 2012 11:34 Craton wrote:On October 04 2012 11:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 04 2012 11:32 xDaunt wrote:
Good closing argument by Romney, particularly when compared to Obama's rambling mess.
8-4, Romney. That's because he got the last word lol. He can say anything he wants and he can't get countered. He pretty much did say anything he wanted. Politico having a field day. I think the closing was emblematic of the debate: Romney didn't say a single positive thing about what he would do, only hypotheticals about how Obama was going to cause everything short of nuclear war. Wait until foreign policy day, then we'll 100% have Romney dooming the US to nuclear destruction concerning Obama's handling of Iran. Politifact, who usually favors Obama in truth-telling, seems to think Romney is telling more truth than Obama in this debate.
Are we looking at the same website?
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On October 04 2012 11:35 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
I still say we institute the British style of floor debate for Prime Minister's Questions type of shit for presidential debates. I'd watch it every day.
I say we have the nominees answer questions they're not expected to know and give them points for being interesting. I think Stephen Fry would be a great host for it.
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On October 04 2012 11:38 Saryph wrote:
Romney did a great job this debate by completely changing his platform from what it was when he was last out on the campaign trail.
If Obama was a better debater, he would've gone for the throat with that. I did like how he started bringing up the vagueness of Romney's plans. But that needs to become his mantra.
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On October 04 2012 11:39 kmillz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 11:37 seiferoth10 wrote:On October 04 2012 11:35 rogzardo wrote:
Obama: appearing weak because he tells truth.
Romney: appearing strong because he lies.
GG US presidential debates! Sadly, there's a lot of truth here. On October 04 2012 11:37 TheTenthDoc wrote:On October 04 2012 11:34 Craton wrote:On October 04 2012 11:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 04 2012 11:32 xDaunt wrote:
Good closing argument by Romney, particularly when compared to Obama's rambling mess.
8-4, Romney. That's because he got the last word lol. He can say anything he wants and he can't get countered. He pretty much did say anything he wanted. Politico having a field day. I think the closing was emblematic of the debate: Romney didn't say a single positive thing about what he would do, only hypotheticals about how Obama was going to cause everything short of nuclear war. Wait until foreign policy day, then we'll 100% have Romney dooming the US to nuclear destruction concerning Obama's handling of Iran. Politifact, who usually favors Obama in truth-telling, seems to think Romney is telling more truth than Obama in this debate.
or because obama tells the truth more often...
obama definitely seemed a little off
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