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On September 18 2012 10:26 heroyi wrote:
What did you guys think about Romney and that secret video at the charity event?
One where Romney states his view of 47% of Americans who are reliant on government funding as essentially deadbeats.

On September 18 2012 10:31 Praetorial wrote:


Link please, I really want to see that

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney says in one clip. "There are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent on government, who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has the responsibility to care for them. Who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing."

Adding to his argument about entitlement, Romney said his "job is not to worry about those people."

"I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives," he added. "What I have to do is convince the 5% to 10% in the center that are independents, that are thoughtful."

A full 70 percent of Americans get more benefits in dollar value from the federal government than they pay back in taxes

On September 18 2012 09:54 Kaitlin wrote:


I'm not sure what the issue is. His job, as a campaigner, is to win the election. Why waste time, resources, energy trying to convince a sector that will vote against you no matter what ? That's all he's saying and I don't see much controversy with that campaign strategy.

On September 18 2012 10:41 kmillz wrote:


This. Basically, CNN article tries to twist it into some context like he doesn't care about those people in regards to their well being as opposed to the obvious context of he isn't worried about getting their VOTE.

On September 18 2012 10:41 Danglars wrote:
It didn't come out in an ad, but it might as well have, as far as I am concerned.


He hits a strong message on tax cuts and reforming regulation. Isn't it obvious that when you focus on how you'll relieve the tax burden on the wealthy and middle class, that those who pay no taxes and whose income from government programs supersedes those from private work won't care about it? This isn't the first time this train of thought has come back. Long ago, conservative think tanks were describing how creating a permanent segment of people dependent on the government for money would lead to guaranteed votes for the party championing these programs. One party does take pride in increasing those receiving food stamps. The largest increase in federal spending from measures passed in his presidency is Barack Obama.

You decide what message will carry for those still on the fence. Nearly every political consultant in Washington for the past two decades has, to a certain extent, taken for granted a conservative vote for the Republican candidate and a liberal vote for the Democratic, and go after swing voters/independents with whatever they think will work. Rarely is this stated bluntly, but it has in times past. Even Romney's pick of Ryan is indicative of this...Ryan is the congressman that said

54% of Americans say government is trying to do too many things, but 67% of Democrats say government should do more. Romney's quote speaks to polarization that gallup recently put into numbers. Pretty blunt talk from him, though.

On September 18 2012 10:47 Zaqwert wrote:
We've reached the tipping point in America was >50% of people are now just voting themselves checks and benefits from the government.

A huge portion of them are deadbeats, but calling them that won't win you an election. You win by duping these deadbeats into thinking you'll give them more goodies than the other guy will.

On September 18 2012 10:30 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
It pretty much screws Romney.

On September 18 2012 10:45 rogzardo wrote:


This is the exact same situation as Obama's 'didn't build that' line, except with roles reversed. Joy.

On September 18 2012 10:41 Danglars wrote:
It didn't come out in an ad, but it might as well have, as far as I am concerned.


He hits a strong message on tax cuts and reforming regulation. Isn't it obvious that when you focus on how you'll relieve the tax burden on the wealthy and middle class, that those who pay no taxes and whose income from government programs supersedes those from private work won't care about it? This isn't the first time this train of thought has come back. Long ago, conservative think tanks were describing how creating a permanent segment of people dependent on the government for money would lead to guaranteed votes for the party championing these programs. One party does take pride in increasing those receiving food stamps. The largest increase in federal spending from measures passed in his presidency is Barack Obama.

You decide what message will carry for those still on the fence. Nearly every political consultant in Washington for the past two decades has, to a certain extent, taken for granted a conservative vote for the Republican candidate and a liberal vote for the Democratic, and go after swing voters/independents with whatever they think will work. Rarely is this stated bluntly, but it has in times past. Even Romney's pick of Ryan is indicative of this...Ryan is the congressman that said

54% of Americans say government is trying to do too many things, but 67% of Democrats say government should do more. Romney's quote speaks to polarization that gallup recently put into numbers. Pretty blunt talk from him, though.

David Corn just said on TV that the now infamous Romney fundraiser was held in Boca Raton, Florida at the estate of hedge fund manager Marc Leder.

According to the New York Post, Leder throws a pretty mean party.

His “wild end-of-summer bash was the talk of the Hamptons this year,” the Post reported last December. “At the Bridgehampton home that Leder rented for a whopping $500,000 a month, guests cavorted nude in a pool and performed sex acts, while scantily clad Russian women danced on platforms. Dancers at the party also twirled flaming torches to booming beats.”

On September 18 2012 11:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
awesome:



Source

On September 18 2012 10:26 heroyi wrote:
What did you guys think about Romney and that secret video at the charity event?
One where Romney states his view of 47% of Americans who are reliant on government funding as essentially deadbeats.

On September 18 2012 10:47 Zaqwert wrote:
We've reached the tipping point in America was >50% of people are now just voting themselves checks and benefits from the government.

A huge portion of them are deadbeats, but calling them that won't win you an election. You win by duping these deadbeats into thinking you'll give them more goodies than the other guy will.

This is an utter disaster for Romney.

Romney already has trouble relating to the public and convincing people he cares about them. Now, he's been caught on video saying that nearly half the country consists of hopeless losers.

Romney has been vigorously denying President Obama's claims that his tax plan would raise taxes on the middle class. Now, he's been caught on video suggesting that low- and middle-income Americans are undertaxed.
(That one is especially problematic given the speculation about what's on Mitt's unreleased pre-2010 tax returns.)

Corn tells us there are more embarrassing moments on segments of the video he hasn't released yet. Romney jokes that he'd be more likely to win the election if he were Hispanic. He makes some awkward comments about whether he was born with a "silver spoon" in his mouth.

But those are survivable. The really disastrous thing is the clip about "victims," and the combination of contempt and pity that Romney shows for anyone who isn't going to vote for him.

Romney is the most opaque presidential nominee since Nixon, and people have been reduced to guessing what his true feelings are. This video provides an answer: He feels that you're a loser. It's not an answer that wins elections.

On September 18 2012 10:57 kmillz wrote:


Somewhat, Obama really meant that as a literal phrase of "you didn't build that" physically by themselves (no shit) but it still implies that all successful people were carried to their success as opposed to making good decisions and getting to that point with their own perseverance. Tell me what he REALLY meant by that to you and how it is the exact same situation?