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heroyi
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1064 Posts
September 18 2012 01:26 GMT
#10421
What did you guys think about Romney and that secret video at the charity event?
One where Romney states his view of 47% of Americans who are reliant on government funding as essentially deadbeats.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 18 2012 01:30 GMT
#10422
It pretty much screws Romney.
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Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
September 18 2012 01:31 GMT
#10423
On September 18 2012 10:26 heroyi wrote:
What did you guys think about Romney and that secret video at the charity event?
One where Romney states his view of 47% of Americans who are reliant on government funding as essentially deadbeats.


Link please, I really want to see that
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kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
September 18 2012 01:33 GMT
#10424
On September 18 2012 10:31 Praetorial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2012 10:26 heroyi wrote:
What did you guys think about Romney and that secret video at the charity event?
One where Romney states his view of 47% of Americans who are reliant on government funding as essentially deadbeats.


Link please, I really want to see that

Here you go (other excerpts are available, check the youtube channel and the last few pages of the thread).
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 18 2012 01:41 GMT
#10425
It didn't come out in an ad, but it might as well have, as far as I am concerned.
"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney says in one clip. "There are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent on government, who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has the responsibility to care for them. Who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing."

Adding to his argument about entitlement, Romney said his "job is not to worry about those people."

"I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives," he added. "What I have to do is convince the 5% to 10% in the center that are independents, that are thoughtful."


He hits a strong message on tax cuts and reforming regulation. Isn't it obvious that when you focus on how you'll relieve the tax burden on the wealthy and middle class, that those who pay no taxes and whose income from government programs supersedes those from private work won't care about it? This isn't the first time this train of thought has come back. Long ago, conservative think tanks were describing how creating a permanent segment of people dependent on the government for money would lead to guaranteed votes for the party championing these programs. One party does take pride in increasing those receiving food stamps. The largest increase in federal spending from measures passed in his presidency is Barack Obama.

You decide what message will carry for those still on the fence. Nearly every political consultant in Washington for the past two decades has, to a certain extent, taken for granted a conservative vote for the Republican candidate and a liberal vote for the Democratic, and go after swing voters/independents with whatever they think will work. Rarely is this stated bluntly, but it has in times past. Even Romney's pick of Ryan is indicative of this...Ryan is the congressman that said
A full 70 percent of Americans get more benefits in dollar value from the federal government than they pay back in taxes

54% of Americans say government is trying to do too many things, but 67% of Democrats say government should do more. Romney's quote speaks to polarization that gallup recently put into numbers. Pretty blunt talk from him, though.
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kmillz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1548 Posts
September 18 2012 01:41 GMT
#10426
On September 18 2012 09:54 Kaitlin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2012 09:36 kwizach wrote:
On September 18 2012 09:29 kmillz wrote:
On September 18 2012 09:11 darthfoley wrote:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/17/controversial-private-fund-raiser-video-shows-candid-romney/?hpt=po_c1

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney says in one clip. "There are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent on government, who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has the responsibility to care for them. Who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing."

Adding to his argument about entitlement, Romney said his "job is not to worry about those people."

"I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives," he added. "What I have to do is convince the 5% to 10% in the center that are independents, that are thoughtful."


Funny that the article states: Adding to his argument about entitlement, Romney said his "job is not to worry about those people."

But no where in the video is Romney heard saying that. I'd say that's quite strange, but it is CNN after all.

Here you go (0:43)


I'm not sure what the issue is. His job, as a campaigner, is to win the election. Why waste time, resources, energy trying to convince a sector that will vote against you no matter what ? That's all he's saying and I don't see much controversy with that campaign strategy.


This. Basically, CNN article tries to twist it into some context like he doesn't care about those people in regards to their well being as opposed to the obvious context of he isn't worried about getting their VOTE.
rogzardo
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
610 Posts
September 18 2012 01:45 GMT
#10427
On September 18 2012 10:41 kmillz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2012 09:54 Kaitlin wrote:
On September 18 2012 09:36 kwizach wrote:
On September 18 2012 09:29 kmillz wrote:
On September 18 2012 09:11 darthfoley wrote:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/17/controversial-private-fund-raiser-video-shows-candid-romney/?hpt=po_c1

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney says in one clip. "There are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent on government, who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has the responsibility to care for them. Who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing."

Adding to his argument about entitlement, Romney said his "job is not to worry about those people."

"I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives," he added. "What I have to do is convince the 5% to 10% in the center that are independents, that are thoughtful."


Funny that the article states: Adding to his argument about entitlement, Romney said his "job is not to worry about those people."

But no where in the video is Romney heard saying that. I'd say that's quite strange, but it is CNN after all.

Here you go (0:43)


I'm not sure what the issue is. His job, as a campaigner, is to win the election. Why waste time, resources, energy trying to convince a sector that will vote against you no matter what ? That's all he's saying and I don't see much controversy with that campaign strategy.


This. Basically, CNN article tries to twist it into some context like he doesn't care about those people in regards to their well being as opposed to the obvious context of he isn't worried about getting their VOTE.


This is the exact same situation as Obama's 'didn't build that' line, except with roles reversed. Joy.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-18 01:56:32
September 18 2012 01:46 GMT
#10428
On September 18 2012 10:41 Danglars wrote:
It didn't come out in an ad, but it might as well have, as far as I am concerned.
Show nested quote +
"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney says in one clip. "There are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent on government, who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has the responsibility to care for them. Who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing."

Adding to his argument about entitlement, Romney said his "job is not to worry about those people."

"I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives," he added. "What I have to do is convince the 5% to 10% in the center that are independents, that are thoughtful."


He hits a strong message on tax cuts and reforming regulation. Isn't it obvious that when you focus on how you'll relieve the tax burden on the wealthy and middle class, that those who pay no taxes and whose income from government programs supersedes those from private work won't care about it? This isn't the first time this train of thought has come back. Long ago, conservative think tanks were describing how creating a permanent segment of people dependent on the government for money would lead to guaranteed votes for the party championing these programs. One party does take pride in increasing those receiving food stamps. The largest increase in federal spending from measures passed in his presidency is Barack Obama.

You decide what message will carry for those still on the fence. Nearly every political consultant in Washington for the past two decades has, to a certain extent, taken for granted a conservative vote for the Republican candidate and a liberal vote for the Democratic, and go after swing voters/independents with whatever they think will work. Rarely is this stated bluntly, but it has in times past. Even Romney's pick of Ryan is indicative of this...Ryan is the congressman that said
Show nested quote +
A full 70 percent of Americans get more benefits in dollar value from the federal government than they pay back in taxes

54% of Americans say government is trying to do too many things, but 67% of Democrats say government should do more. Romney's quote speaks to polarization that gallup recently put into numbers. Pretty blunt talk from him, though.


Blunt talk? More like shotgun blasting from the hip and accidentally calling half the country leeches. Even all the Democratic business leaders like Warren Buffet, academics like Paul Krugman, and university professors in the health sciences are apparently voting for Obama purely to increase their handouts. Romney called everyone that philosophically disagrees with him entitled, he's basically pulling a Bioware here.

On September 18 2012 10:47 Zaqwert wrote:
We've reached the tipping point in America was >50% of people are now just voting themselves checks and benefits from the government.

A huge portion of them are deadbeats, but calling them that won't win you an election. You win by duping these deadbeats into thinking you'll give them more goodies than the other guy will.


If you think virtually all of Obama's supporters voted for him to get bigger welfare checks you need a serious reality check.
Zaqwert
Profile Joined June 2008
United States411 Posts
September 18 2012 01:47 GMT
#10429
We've reached the tipping point in America was >50% of people are now just voting themselves checks and benefits from the government.

A huge portion of them are deadbeats, but calling them that won't win you an election. You win by duping these deadbeats into thinking you'll give them more goodies than the other guy will.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
September 18 2012 01:47 GMT
#10430
On September 18 2012 10:30 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
It pretty much screws Romney.


Well, at least it forces him to go down swinging.

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kmillz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1548 Posts
September 18 2012 01:57 GMT
#10431
On September 18 2012 10:45 rogzardo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2012 10:41 kmillz wrote:
On September 18 2012 09:54 Kaitlin wrote:
On September 18 2012 09:36 kwizach wrote:
On September 18 2012 09:29 kmillz wrote:
On September 18 2012 09:11 darthfoley wrote:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/17/controversial-private-fund-raiser-video-shows-candid-romney/?hpt=po_c1

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney says in one clip. "There are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent on government, who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has the responsibility to care for them. Who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing."

Adding to his argument about entitlement, Romney said his "job is not to worry about those people."

"I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives," he added. "What I have to do is convince the 5% to 10% in the center that are independents, that are thoughtful."


Funny that the article states: Adding to his argument about entitlement, Romney said his "job is not to worry about those people."

But no where in the video is Romney heard saying that. I'd say that's quite strange, but it is CNN after all.

Here you go (0:43)


I'm not sure what the issue is. His job, as a campaigner, is to win the election. Why waste time, resources, energy trying to convince a sector that will vote against you no matter what ? That's all he's saying and I don't see much controversy with that campaign strategy.


This. Basically, CNN article tries to twist it into some context like he doesn't care about those people in regards to their well being as opposed to the obvious context of he isn't worried about getting their VOTE.


This is the exact same situation as Obama's 'didn't build that' line, except with roles reversed. Joy.


Somewhat, Obama really meant that as a literal phrase of "you didn't build that" physically by themselves (no shit) but it still implies that all successful people were carried to their success as opposed to making good decisions and getting to that point with their own perseverance. Tell me what he REALLY meant by that to you and how it is the exact same situation?
heroyi
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1064 Posts
September 18 2012 02:07 GMT
#10432
On September 18 2012 10:41 Danglars wrote:
It didn't come out in an ad, but it might as well have, as far as I am concerned.
Show nested quote +
"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney says in one clip. "There are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent on government, who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has the responsibility to care for them. Who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing."

Adding to his argument about entitlement, Romney said his "job is not to worry about those people."

"I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives," he added. "What I have to do is convince the 5% to 10% in the center that are independents, that are thoughtful."


He hits a strong message on tax cuts and reforming regulation. Isn't it obvious that when you focus on how you'll relieve the tax burden on the wealthy and middle class, that those who pay no taxes and whose income from government programs supersedes those from private work won't care about it? This isn't the first time this train of thought has come back. Long ago, conservative think tanks were describing how creating a permanent segment of people dependent on the government for money would lead to guaranteed votes for the party championing these programs. One party does take pride in increasing those receiving food stamps. The largest increase in federal spending from measures passed in his presidency is Barack Obama.

You decide what message will carry for those still on the fence. Nearly every political consultant in Washington for the past two decades has, to a certain extent, taken for granted a conservative vote for the Republican candidate and a liberal vote for the Democratic, and go after swing voters/independents with whatever they think will work. Rarely is this stated bluntly, but it has in times past. Even Romney's pick of Ryan is indicative of this...Ryan is the congressman that said
Show nested quote +
A full 70 percent of Americans get more benefits in dollar value from the federal government than they pay back in taxes

54% of Americans say government is trying to do too many things, but 67% of Democrats say government should do more. Romney's quote speaks to polarization that gallup recently put into numbers. Pretty blunt talk from him, though.

Ryan also was the one who said a shit ton of BS in the RNC with misleading information and accusations. Had to stop watching it.

And no that is not a blunt talk. If Obama's party and group play their cards right, Romney isn't going to have anything to salvage.
Honestly if he said it a bit more elegantly then it wouldnt sound too bad. But still saying your poor life and economic state is your fault and options are always available is way too harsh and far from being blunt.
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kmillz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1548 Posts
September 18 2012 02:11 GMT
#10433
Oh and here is a quote from Obama for those who were scoffing at my comment about the failed economy becoming a burden on our children and grandchildren. Turns out Obama agreed..when he wasn't the President anyway.

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, 'the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. America deserves better."
~Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 18 2012 02:13 GMT
#10434
awesome:

David Corn just said on TV that the now infamous Romney fundraiser was held in Boca Raton, Florida at the estate of hedge fund manager Marc Leder.

According to the New York Post, Leder throws a pretty mean party.

His “wild end-of-summer bash was the talk of the Hamptons this year,” the Post reported last December. “At the Bridgehampton home that Leder rented for a whopping $500,000 a month, guests cavorted nude in a pool and performed sex acts, while scantily clad Russian women danced on platforms. Dancers at the party also twirled flaming torches to booming beats.”


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
September 18 2012 02:15 GMT
#10435
On September 18 2012 11:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
awesome:

Show nested quote +
David Corn just said on TV that the now infamous Romney fundraiser was held in Boca Raton, Florida at the estate of hedge fund manager Marc Leder.

According to the New York Post, Leder throws a pretty mean party.

His “wild end-of-summer bash was the talk of the Hamptons this year,” the Post reported last December. “At the Bridgehampton home that Leder rented for a whopping $500,000 a month, guests cavorted nude in a pool and performed sex acts, while scantily clad Russian women danced on platforms. Dancers at the party also twirled flaming torches to booming beats.”


Source


Lol.

Uhhh that's pushing the lines of investigative journalism but still pretty funny.
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Darknat
Profile Joined March 2011
United States122 Posts
September 18 2012 02:20 GMT
#10436
On September 18 2012 10:26 heroyi wrote:
What did you guys think about Romney and that secret video at the charity event?
One where Romney states his view of 47% of Americans who are reliant on government funding as essentially deadbeats.


Well if they are like my father who likes complaining about "What has the government done for me?" they are deadbeats.
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
September 18 2012 02:21 GMT
#10437
On September 18 2012 10:47 Zaqwert wrote:
We've reached the tipping point in America was >50% of people are now just voting themselves checks and benefits from the government.

A huge portion of them are deadbeats, but calling them that won't win you an election. You win by duping these deadbeats into thinking you'll give them more goodies than the other guy will.


They can't be duped. They are more creative than prisoners making shanks out of toothbrushes. How these people can actually cast a vote while having their head up their ass and one arm permanently extended befuddles me.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 18 2012 02:23 GMT
#10438
This is an utter disaster for Romney.

Romney already has trouble relating to the public and convincing people he cares about them. Now, he's been caught on video saying that nearly half the country consists of hopeless losers.

Romney has been vigorously denying President Obama's claims that his tax plan would raise taxes on the middle class. Now, he's been caught on video suggesting that low- and middle-income Americans are undertaxed.
(That one is especially problematic given the speculation about what's on Mitt's unreleased pre-2010 tax returns.)

Corn tells us there are more embarrassing moments on segments of the video he hasn't released yet. Romney jokes that he'd be more likely to win the election if he were Hispanic. He makes some awkward comments about whether he was born with a "silver spoon" in his mouth.

But those are survivable. The really disastrous thing is the clip about "victims," and the combination of contempt and pity that Romney shows for anyone who isn't going to vote for him.

Romney is the most opaque presidential nominee since Nixon, and people have been reduced to guessing what his true feelings are. This video provides an answer: He feels that you're a loser. It's not an answer that wins elections.


Source
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Zaqwert
Profile Joined June 2008
United States411 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-18 02:26:16
September 18 2012 02:25 GMT
#10439
1. Pay maybe 2K-3K a year total in taxes
2. Use maybe ~10K in government services
3. Complain that others aren't paying their "fair share"
4. Get upset when called a dead beat

and you wonder why this country is doomed.

Anyone voting for Obama soley because they think he's going to give them some money is a deadbeat and a loser, that's just the painful truth.

But you don't win elections telling the voters they are leeches.
rogzardo
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
610 Posts
September 18 2012 02:27 GMT
#10440
On September 18 2012 10:57 kmillz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2012 10:45 rogzardo wrote:
On September 18 2012 10:41 kmillz wrote:
On September 18 2012 09:54 Kaitlin wrote:
On September 18 2012 09:36 kwizach wrote:
On September 18 2012 09:29 kmillz wrote:
On September 18 2012 09:11 darthfoley wrote:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/17/controversial-private-fund-raiser-video-shows-candid-romney/?hpt=po_c1

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney says in one clip. "There are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent on government, who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has the responsibility to care for them. Who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing."

Adding to his argument about entitlement, Romney said his "job is not to worry about those people."

"I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives," he added. "What I have to do is convince the 5% to 10% in the center that are independents, that are thoughtful."


Funny that the article states: Adding to his argument about entitlement, Romney said his "job is not to worry about those people."

But no where in the video is Romney heard saying that. I'd say that's quite strange, but it is CNN after all.

Here you go (0:43)


I'm not sure what the issue is. His job, as a campaigner, is to win the election. Why waste time, resources, energy trying to convince a sector that will vote against you no matter what ? That's all he's saying and I don't see much controversy with that campaign strategy.


This. Basically, CNN article tries to twist it into some context like he doesn't care about those people in regards to their well being as opposed to the obvious context of he isn't worried about getting their VOTE.


This is the exact same situation as Obama's 'didn't build that' line, except with roles reversed. Joy.


Somewhat, Obama really meant that as a literal phrase of "you didn't build that" physically by themselves (no shit) but it still implies that all successful people were carried to their success as opposed to making good decisions and getting to that point with their own perseverance. Tell me what he REALLY meant by that to you and how it is the exact same situation?


Obama's 'didn't build that' line:

Democrats - He was referring to bridges, roads, infrastructure
Republicans - He was referring to small businesses

Romney's 'i don't care about them' Line:

Democrats - He was referring to the poor.
Republicans - He was referring to the poor's vote.
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