President Obama Re-Elected - Page 475

On September 10 2012 12:30 Savio wrote:


Another interesting picture from today:


How in the world did that guy not get his arm broken by SS?

On September 10 2012 13:10 ticklishmusic wrote:


I thought the exact same thing.

On September 10 2012 12:32 Savio wrote:


meh, I am from a minority religion and I never got offended when Christian prayers were given. And I wouldn't if Muslim prayers were given.

I think a lot of Americans are so used to being part of a religious majority they simply don't understand what the minority are talking about. A candidate for a major public office stating that in his opinion rights come from God is actually quite worrying to me because that's a pretty unstable foundation from my perspective. They should come from something common and intrinsic to the whole society, such as a respect for fellow man.

On September 10 2012 13:28 xDaunt wrote:

Haven't y'all seen the "Deathcamp of Tolerance" episode from South Park? Tolerate means "put up with," not "accept." There is no general right to freedom from being offended.

On September 10 2012 13:45 Defacer wrote:
Can I get an outline of some of these rights that God has given us?

On September 10 2012 13:31 Danglars wrote:

I tend to think that laying as a foundation that rights come from God is quite a solid foundation. The past 200 years or so have been marked with quite a bit of freedom and prosperity. Toqueville gets into this in his Democracy in America. I don't pretend that slavery and non-universal suffrage didn't happen, rather that those existing conditions were alleviated by the means of their conflict with a free society that held dear rights are given by God to all and not granted to some and denied others. Other foundations for basic freedoms have long been ascribed by other governments in their foundings, and indeed were before America was founded and continue to be long afterwards. The perception of the God described in the Bible isn't something shaky, as the book has remained largely untouched for a couple thousand years.

Of course, the entire process of describing what are rights protected against impingement by a police power is quite a large topic. I leave it at this: the success of the United States in staying largely economically successful and judicially sound from its founding to today is an example of a country with God-given rights not faltering under an unstable foundation.

On September 10 2012 15:06 KwarK wrote:

The only reason the system even begins to work is because nobody actually trusts God to enforce them because despite the idea of God-given rights it's assumed that it's up to society to believe in them and enforce them. If God were actually intervening directly when the rights of man were violated then I'd absolutely be all for the idea that rights come from God and that he is the guarantor for them. But that doesn't happen and I don't believe in God so to hear that the ultimate source for liberties comes from someone's invisible friend but the invisible friend doesn't actually interact or change the world is really not a comfortable thought.

On September 10 2012 13:45 Defacer wrote:
Can I get an outline of some of these rights that God has given us?

On September 10 2012 15:17 BlueBird. wrote:


Man can you imagine if god actually smited people with lightning everytime someone did something it says not to do in the bible. It would be a pretty fucked up world, can't pick and choose what you believe out of the bible then lol.

On September 10 2012 13:34 Souma wrote:


It sounds extremely cynical when religious advocates try to play the "tolerance" card.

On September 10 2012 13:31 Danglars wrote:

I tend to think that laying as a foundation that rights come from God is quite a solid foundation. The past 200 years or so have been marked with quite a bit of freedom and prosperity. Toqueville gets into this in his Democracy in America. I don't pretend that slavery and non-universal suffrage didn't happen, rather that those existing conditions were alleviated by the means of their conflict with a free society that held dear rights are given by God to all and not granted to some and denied others. Other foundations for basic freedoms have long been ascribed by other governments in their foundings, and indeed were before America was founded and continue to be long afterwards. The perception of the God described in the Bible isn't something shaky, as the book has remained largely untouched for a couple thousand years.

Of course, the entire process of describing what are rights protected against impingement by a police power is quite a large topic. I leave it at this: the success of the United States in staying largely economically successful and judicially sound from its founding to today is an example of a country with God-given rights not faltering under an unstable foundation.

On September 10 2012 13:48 Souma wrote:


The right to sell your daughter.

Exodus 21: 7 - If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as menservants do.

On September 10 2012 13:34 Souma wrote:


It sounds extremely cynical when religious advocates try to play the "tolerance" card.

On September 10 2012 10:08 Defacer wrote:
Well, this is amusing.

Hustler published this ad in the Washington Post.

On September 10 2012 18:40 starfries wrote:

to be honest, it also sounds cynical when atheist advocates try to play the "tolerance" card.

On September 10 2012 18:58 Souma wrote:


I'd give atheists the upper-hand with tolerance. I wonder how many people atheists have murdered or oppressed compared to the many wars and atrocities religion has incited throughout history and the present.

In any case, what most atheists are intolerant of is religion having a place in government/the public sphere. Religious people are free to do whatever they want on their own time as long as government does not have a hand in it. If people want to pray in school, they can feel free to do it on their own time by creating a Prayer Club or something. But the state should not be initiating that stuff. If you wanna be praying during school time, you better make sure you set aside two minutes making the students chant, "God does not exist. God does not exist. God does not exist."

On September 10 2012 19:08 starfries wrote:

you know that not all religious people are extremists? and you know that just because you're religious doesn't mean you necessarily identify with any tyrants and/or murderers who happened to share your religion?

from personal experience, I've encountered a lot more intolerant atheists than intolerant theists. probably because I spend a lot of time on the internet. just look at r/atheism.