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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

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Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
September 06 2012 00:16 GMT
#8541
Anyone know when Clinton speaks? It says 8PM ET on the side but obviously that's wrong...

Yeah, this woman's jokes are pretty bad. Could tell she thought the "Being a woman is no longer a pre-existing condition" was really good and expected a better response.
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-06 00:20:57
September 06 2012 00:17 GMT
#8542
On the other hand, she sure is firing up the women in the crowd.

Humorously, I think part of the crowd doesn't know if they should cheer or boo each statement XD
Yargh
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
September 06 2012 00:33 GMT
#8543
On September 06 2012 09:17 JinDesu wrote:
On the other hand, she sure is firing up the women in the crowd.

Humorously, I think part of the crowd doesn't know if they should cheer or boo each statement XD


I'm still at work. But you make her sound like the Steve Wright of convention speakers. Either she's a genius or she suck balls. I can't believe I'm missing this.
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
September 06 2012 00:35 GMT
#8544
On September 06 2012 09:33 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 09:17 JinDesu wrote:
On the other hand, she sure is firing up the women in the crowd.

Humorously, I think part of the crowd doesn't know if they should cheer or boo each statement XD


I'm still at work. But you make her sound like the Steve Wright of convention speakers. Either she's a genius or she suck balls. I can't believe I'm missing this.


It's ok, she's over with - I didn't think she's terrible, but I am definitely not her target audience.

Quick question - how do military folk deal with health insurance after leaving the military? Wouldn't they all practically be considered "pre-existing conditions"? Or is there a specific fund that deals with with that?
Yargh
ey215
Profile Joined June 2010
United States546 Posts
September 06 2012 00:44 GMT
#8545
On September 06 2012 09:16 Chocolate wrote:
Anyone know when Clinton speaks? It says 8PM ET on the side but obviously that's wrong...

Yeah, this woman's jokes are pretty bad. Could tell she thought the "Being a woman is no longer a pre-existing condition" was really good and expected a better response.


10:25 Eastern according to the ABC News schedule.
ImAbstracT
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
519 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-06 00:46:06
September 06 2012 00:45 GMT
#8546
What time is Clinton speaking tonight?

Edit, thanks above poster =)
"I want you to take a moment, and reflect, on how much of a failure you are" - IdrA
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
September 06 2012 00:46 GMT
#8547
On September 06 2012 08:55 sunprince wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 08:43 HowitZer wrote:
On September 06 2012 07:28 natrus wrote:
On September 06 2012 07:01 Troxle wrote:


Should insurance companies be allowed to deny people coverage? Yes, they are a BUSINESS not a RIGHT. If a company covers you, they are providin' you with money. Insurance is a low risk high profit business, they don't want to go into high risk because then profit decreases. Insurance isn't out to save lives and protect the world, they are doin' what EVERY BUSINESS should do and that means increasin' profits.



This is why I support Nation Healthcare. To me, health is a right and poor people shouldn't have to die because they cant afford insurance (which is way high in America) or an expensive operation. And yes we raise taxes to pay for it.


You have a right to manage your health like you have a right to manage your speech.


Only when either does not infringe upon the rights of others.

You do not have a right to manage your health in a way that hurts others, whether by carrying around infectious diseases instead of getting treated or by skimping on health insurance and leaving taxpayers to foot the bill when something happens.


Out of curiosity, where are you on the healthcare debate? Tax payers where already paying for other people's health care (ex. medicaid and emergency services) before the ACA. Do you feel it is better that everyone be forced to pay into system to extend and improve their own care, or do you think that tax payers should still pay for things like medicaid, but the benefits should be capped (ex. voucher system).

ziggurat
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada847 Posts
September 06 2012 00:47 GMT
#8548
On September 06 2012 08:16 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 08:10 ziggurat wrote:
On September 06 2012 07:43 dvorakftw wrote:
On September 06 2012 07:07 Defacer wrote:
Here's a fascinating account of a Republican woman's experience of Canada healthcare, and why she concluded it was better: http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/2012/07/12/how-i-lost-my-fear-universal-health-care

Yeah, facinating. Thanks for that!


As a Canadian who has had a few brushes with our health care system, I really dislike it. I would much rather be able to get health insurance from a company where I would then have a legal right to get the treatments described in the policy. In Canada you get crappy treatment and the nurses shrug and say, "sorry we're short staffed". No one is really accountable for giving me any particular standard of treatment, and if I don't like it all I can do is write some letters to some bureaucrats.

Whatever. Government-run healthcare is a fact of life in Canada so there's no point in complaining about it. But don't try to tell me that you get better treatment in Canadian hospitals. It's well-known that Canadians who really need the best treatment and who can afford it go to the US.


Really, what sort of treatment did you need may I ask if that is not too personal. Every single experience I have had with the healthcare system was quite good. I know some specialist procedures are hard to get up here but for the most part the system does good by the people when they break an arm or have some other common injury (or nearly split the back of their head open, in my case) so I think it is quite a good system.


The treatment related to my wife and the birth of our daughter. She was in the hospital several times during her pregnancy as well as for the actual birth, and then our daughter needed to stay for five days after her birth for monitoring. The issues mostly related to there just not being enough staff. Most of the doctors and nurses were incredibly busy and always seemed to be rushing on to the next patient. Some of them were just lazy but of course that will happen in any system.
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
September 06 2012 00:47 GMT
#8549
Wow, this current speaker is owning. The nun.
Yargh
ziggurat
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada847 Posts
September 06 2012 00:49 GMT
#8550
On September 06 2012 08:24 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 08:16 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:
On September 06 2012 08:10 ziggurat wrote:
On September 06 2012 07:43 dvorakftw wrote:
On September 06 2012 07:07 Defacer wrote:
Here's a fascinating account of a Republican woman's experience of Canada healthcare, and why she concluded it was better: http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/2012/07/12/how-i-lost-my-fear-universal-health-care

Yeah, facinating. Thanks for that!


As a Canadian who has had a few brushes with our health care system, I really dislike it. I would much rather be able to get health insurance from a company where I would then have a legal right to get the treatments described in the policy. In Canada you get crappy treatment and the nurses shrug and say, "sorry we're short staffed". No one is really accountable for giving me any particular standard of treatment, and if I don't like it all I can do is write some letters to some bureaucrats.

Whatever. Government-run healthcare is a fact of life in Canada so there's no point in complaining about it. But don't try to tell me that you get better treatment in Canadian hospitals. It's well-known that Canadians who really need the best treatment and who can afford it go to the US.


Really, what sort of treatment did you need may I ask if that is not too personal. Every single experience I have had with the healthcare system was quite good. I know some specialist procedures are hard to get up here but for the most part the system does good by the people when they break an arm or have some other common injury (or nearly split the back of their head open, in my case) so I think it is quite a good system.


I think it really depends on what your needs are and what treatment your required.

There are people that complain that the Canadian health care is impersonal, but I find they have no concept of how much healthcare actually costs. A person receiving ongoing cancer treatment in the States may be getting 'the best care in the world' but they are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Or they just chose to buy insurance and the treatment is covered.
Bandino
Profile Joined August 2010
United States342 Posts
September 06 2012 00:55 GMT
#8551
On September 06 2012 09:49 ziggurat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 08:24 Defacer wrote:
On September 06 2012 08:16 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:
On September 06 2012 08:10 ziggurat wrote:
On September 06 2012 07:43 dvorakftw wrote:
On September 06 2012 07:07 Defacer wrote:
Here's a fascinating account of a Republican woman's experience of Canada healthcare, and why she concluded it was better: http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/2012/07/12/how-i-lost-my-fear-universal-health-care

Yeah, facinating. Thanks for that!


As a Canadian who has had a few brushes with our health care system, I really dislike it. I would much rather be able to get health insurance from a company where I would then have a legal right to get the treatments described in the policy. In Canada you get crappy treatment and the nurses shrug and say, "sorry we're short staffed". No one is really accountable for giving me any particular standard of treatment, and if I don't like it all I can do is write some letters to some bureaucrats.

Whatever. Government-run healthcare is a fact of life in Canada so there's no point in complaining about it. But don't try to tell me that you get better treatment in Canadian hospitals. It's well-known that Canadians who really need the best treatment and who can afford it go to the US.


Really, what sort of treatment did you need may I ask if that is not too personal. Every single experience I have had with the healthcare system was quite good. I know some specialist procedures are hard to get up here but for the most part the system does good by the people when they break an arm or have some other common injury (or nearly split the back of their head open, in my case) so I think it is quite a good system.


I think it really depends on what your needs are and what treatment your required.

There are people that complain that the Canadian health care is impersonal, but I find they have no concept of how much healthcare actually costs. A person receiving ongoing cancer treatment in the States may be getting 'the best care in the world' but they are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Or they just chose to buy insurance and the treatment is covered.


You are sorely misinformed if you believe it is that easy to get your treatment covered through an insurance.
ThreeAcross
Profile Joined January 2011
172 Posts
September 06 2012 00:58 GMT
#8552
On September 06 2012 09:55 Bandino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 09:49 ziggurat wrote:
On September 06 2012 08:24 Defacer wrote:
On September 06 2012 08:16 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:
On September 06 2012 08:10 ziggurat wrote:
On September 06 2012 07:43 dvorakftw wrote:
On September 06 2012 07:07 Defacer wrote:
Here's a fascinating account of a Republican woman's experience of Canada healthcare, and why she concluded it was better: http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/2012/07/12/how-i-lost-my-fear-universal-health-care

Yeah, facinating. Thanks for that!


As a Canadian who has had a few brushes with our health care system, I really dislike it. I would much rather be able to get health insurance from a company where I would then have a legal right to get the treatments described in the policy. In Canada you get crappy treatment and the nurses shrug and say, "sorry we're short staffed". No one is really accountable for giving me any particular standard of treatment, and if I don't like it all I can do is write some letters to some bureaucrats.

Whatever. Government-run healthcare is a fact of life in Canada so there's no point in complaining about it. But don't try to tell me that you get better treatment in Canadian hospitals. It's well-known that Canadians who really need the best treatment and who can afford it go to the US.


Really, what sort of treatment did you need may I ask if that is not too personal. Every single experience I have had with the healthcare system was quite good. I know some specialist procedures are hard to get up here but for the most part the system does good by the people when they break an arm or have some other common injury (or nearly split the back of their head open, in my case) so I think it is quite a good system.


I think it really depends on what your needs are and what treatment your required.

There are people that complain that the Canadian health care is impersonal, but I find they have no concept of how much healthcare actually costs. A person receiving ongoing cancer treatment in the States may be getting 'the best care in the world' but they are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Or they just chose to buy insurance and the treatment is covered.


You are sorely misinformed if you believe it is that easy to get your treatment covered through an insurance.


It is fairly easy to get your treatments covered through insurance. They need to actually be necessary procedures, and not just because you feel like going to the doctor though.

--I do own a small business that performs billing/collection duties for smaller health practices.
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
September 06 2012 01:13 GMT
#8553
So far the first night has trumped tonight.
Writer
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22535 Posts
September 06 2012 01:18 GMT
#8554
On September 06 2012 09:49 ziggurat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 08:24 Defacer wrote:
On September 06 2012 08:16 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:
On September 06 2012 08:10 ziggurat wrote:
On September 06 2012 07:43 dvorakftw wrote:
On September 06 2012 07:07 Defacer wrote:
Here's a fascinating account of a Republican woman's experience of Canada healthcare, and why she concluded it was better: http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/2012/07/12/how-i-lost-my-fear-universal-health-care

Yeah, facinating. Thanks for that!


As a Canadian who has had a few brushes with our health care system, I really dislike it. I would much rather be able to get health insurance from a company where I would then have a legal right to get the treatments described in the policy. In Canada you get crappy treatment and the nurses shrug and say, "sorry we're short staffed". No one is really accountable for giving me any particular standard of treatment, and if I don't like it all I can do is write some letters to some bureaucrats.

Whatever. Government-run healthcare is a fact of life in Canada so there's no point in complaining about it. But don't try to tell me that you get better treatment in Canadian hospitals. It's well-known that Canadians who really need the best treatment and who can afford it go to the US.


Really, what sort of treatment did you need may I ask if that is not too personal. Every single experience I have had with the healthcare system was quite good. I know some specialist procedures are hard to get up here but for the most part the system does good by the people when they break an arm or have some other common injury (or nearly split the back of their head open, in my case) so I think it is quite a good system.


I think it really depends on what your needs are and what treatment your required.

There are people that complain that the Canadian health care is impersonal, but I find they have no concept of how much healthcare actually costs. A person receiving ongoing cancer treatment in the States may be getting 'the best care in the world' but they are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Or they just chose to buy insurance and the treatment is covered.


But thats the whole problem with the US health insurance. Once you start costing them money they kick you out.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11595 Posts
September 06 2012 01:20 GMT
#8555
On September 06 2012 10:13 Souma wrote:
So far the first night has trumped tonight.

Yeah, I've been muting a lot of speakers and listening to other things.
Moderator5000 of our finest Taliban warriors have been released! Rise up my brothers. Mashalla! al-Donald ibn-Frederick al-Masih allows it.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-06 01:34:21
September 06 2012 01:33 GMT
#8556
On September 06 2012 09:47 ziggurat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 08:16 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:
On September 06 2012 08:10 ziggurat wrote:
On September 06 2012 07:43 dvorakftw wrote:
On September 06 2012 07:07 Defacer wrote:
Here's a fascinating account of a Republican woman's experience of Canada healthcare, and why she concluded it was better: http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/2012/07/12/how-i-lost-my-fear-universal-health-care

Yeah, facinating. Thanks for that!


As a Canadian who has had a few brushes with our health care system, I really dislike it. I would much rather be able to get health insurance from a company where I would then have a legal right to get the treatments described in the policy. In Canada you get crappy treatment and the nurses shrug and say, "sorry we're short staffed". No one is really accountable for giving me any particular standard of treatment, and if I don't like it all I can do is write some letters to some bureaucrats.

Whatever. Government-run healthcare is a fact of life in Canada so there's no point in complaining about it. But don't try to tell me that you get better treatment in Canadian hospitals. It's well-known that Canadians who really need the best treatment and who can afford it go to the US.


Really, what sort of treatment did you need may I ask if that is not too personal. Every single experience I have had with the healthcare system was quite good. I know some specialist procedures are hard to get up here but for the most part the system does good by the people when they break an arm or have some other common injury (or nearly split the back of their head open, in my case) so I think it is quite a good system.


The treatment related to my wife and the birth of our daughter. She was in the hospital several times during her pregnancy as well as for the actual birth, and then our daughter needed to stay for five days after her birth for monitoring. The issues mostly related to there just not being enough staff. Most of the doctors and nurses were incredibly busy and always seemed to be rushing on to the next patient. Some of them were just lazy but of course that will happen in any system.


I don't mean to diminish your concerns about Canada's healthcare, but the cost of pregnancy in the US is about $4500 for an OBGYN, $1000 for labs and $10,000 for the hospital stay. And I'm not sure paying all that would guarantee you better or 'premium' service.

I believe in most provinces midwives are already covered, so if you need a more personalized touch maybe you can go that route.

In BC, many employers also offer extended plans to cover any additional care -- ranging from podiatry to chiropractors to naturopaths -- to provide very comprehensive, specialized care.

What I like about the Canadian Healthcare system is that provide sufficient care, for pretty much everyone. It's not perfect, but at least it's not a fundamentally broken mix of private insurance and government subsided healthcare, the way it is in the US. It's something we can continually invest in and improve.


Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11595 Posts
September 06 2012 01:47 GMT
#8557
Oh. Bain fall out is a little more interesting.
Moderator5000 of our finest Taliban warriors have been released! Rise up my brothers. Mashalla! al-Donald ibn-Frederick al-Masih allows it.
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7328 Posts
September 06 2012 01:51 GMT
#8558
On September 06 2012 10:47 Falling wrote:
Oh. Bain fall out is a little more interesting.




yep lol.

Also, as far as the auto industry stuff goes, I still can't believe Romney would actually try to campaign on being against the "bailouts".

FYI They were loans. I can't speak from a GM perspective, but as far as Chrysler goes things are going incredibly well and the loan has been paid back with interest.

The only reason Ford didnt need a "bailout" was because they got their money from the banks a few years earlier. No banks were giving Chrysler or GM the kind of loans that were necessary in 2007/2008
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
September 06 2012 01:59 GMT
#8559
On September 06 2012 10:51 Sadist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 10:47 Falling wrote:
Oh. Bain fall out is a little more interesting.




yep lol.

Also, as far as the auto industry stuff goes, I still can't believe Romney would actually try to campaign on being against the "bailouts".

FYI They were loans. I can't speak from a GM perspective, but as far as Chrysler goes things are going incredibly well and the loan has been paid back with interest.

The only reason Ford didnt need a "bailout" was because they got their money from the banks a few years earlier. No banks were giving Chrysler or GM the kind of loans that were necessary in 2007/2008


It was a bailout. They couldn't get loans from the private market because they were going through bankruptcy.
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7328 Posts
September 06 2012 02:01 GMT
#8560
On September 06 2012 10:59 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 10:51 Sadist wrote:
On September 06 2012 10:47 Falling wrote:
Oh. Bain fall out is a little more interesting.




yep lol.

Also, as far as the auto industry stuff goes, I still can't believe Romney would actually try to campaign on being against the "bailouts".

FYI They were loans. I can't speak from a GM perspective, but as far as Chrysler goes things are going incredibly well and the loan has been paid back with interest.

The only reason Ford didnt need a "bailout" was because they got their money from the banks a few years earlier. No banks were giving Chrysler or GM the kind of loans that were necessary in 2007/2008


It was a bailout. They couldn't get loans from the private market because they were going through bankruptcy.



Loan bruh. Paid back in full. They were going bankrupt because it wasn't possible to get loans from the banks.

Do you have any idea what the operating costs of an OEM are?
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
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