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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On November 15 2012 02:31 WhiteDog wrote: Not liking "African Americans" as a whole, and thinking they are scarry, isn't that a little xenophobic ? change that little to very and maybe you have a close approximation. | ||
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kmillz
United States1548 Posts
On November 15 2012 02:41 oneofthem wrote: change that little to very and maybe you have a close approximation. When I was in Asia (Okinawa, Cambodia, Malaysia, Japan and Thailand to be specific), I noticed that the people there seemed very timid or shy, so I can see how being brought up in this type of environment could result in some xenophobia. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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semantics
10040 Posts
http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/results/president/exit-polls ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/pC0t4.png) | ||
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kmillz
United States1548 Posts
On November 15 2012 02:47 oneofthem wrote: they typically treat human rights as hot garbage too. it's just a lack of liberal attitudes for respect of the person Can't respect others if you can't respect your own kind I suppose :\ kind of makes it a little ridiculous when people over analyze everything here and wail on the race card over trifle statements doesn't it? On November 15 2012 02:48 semantics wrote: http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/president/exit-polls Interesting that the Asian vote gains a significant jump when electing a black president, either this means that they prefer a black President over a white one, or it is simply a correlation. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
I'm sure if you put it to a vote, asians would show high approval for Clinton as well, and he's not black. Heck, that graph shows a nice jump in 1992 to 2000! It lost momentum in 2000-2008, but was still rising. | ||
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kmillz
United States1548 Posts
On November 15 2012 02:58 JinDesu wrote: Again, I don't think us asians are choosing Obama because he's black. I think we dislike comments like "the intellectuals will never support us" and "I can see Russia from my house (mildly paraphrased) and we generally haven't suffered as much from the economy as most. Many asians live California and the east coast - predominantly democratic states. I'm sure if you put it to a vote, asians would show high approval for Clinton as well, and he's not black. Heck, that graph shows a nice jump in 1992 to 2000! It lost momentum in 2000-2008, but was still rising. Yeah, I was more inclined to it being a correlation with a black president, not because of a black president. Gotta ask though, why has it risen so much? Do you think this has to do with the evolution of both parties? Or just one of them? | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
in short nativism and doubling down on traditional symbolism is not comfortable. given the bareboned selfishness of the asian voter's politics though, ditching the rhetoric and actually getting more services for immigrant communities will win a lot of vots for sure. my parents prob will vote for hitler if it meant lower taxes. there are other factors of course, but the rhetoric plays a large part. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
It doesn't help that the current republican party is viewed as anti-intellectual and elitist. | ||
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RDaneelOlivaw
Vatican City State733 Posts
On November 08 2012 11:32 Joedaddy wrote: Liberal rage or not, this sums up my assessment of the USA today. Ya. Minus the semi-racist comments, I don't really disagree with his assessment. | ||
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kmillz
United States1548 Posts
On November 15 2012 03:13 JinDesu wrote: I am unsure of how asians view the parties, but being from NYC, most that I know have been democratic for quite a while. Listening to the gossip, many of the voters aren't the older generation - they tend to be permanent residents than citizens. Their children are the ones voting, and young asians are very internet savvy - this combination of youth, college education, internet awareness, doing well economically, and living in blue states would be the factors I'd assign. It doesn't help that the current republican party is viewed as anti-intellectual and elitist. I agree with the trends of: younger voters and living in blue states. "Doing well economically" trends more towards the Republican party. The rest of your factors are ad hominems. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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farvacola
United States18855 Posts
On November 15 2012 03:23 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: Ya. Minus the semi-racist comments, I don't really disagree with his assessment. If you came here just to say "I agree with Bill O'Reilly." and leave it at that, the readers of this thread, even most of the conservative ones, are going to probably consider you an idiot. Just so you know. | ||
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kmillz
United States1548 Posts
On November 15 2012 03:28 oneofthem wrote: not sure how much you know about ad homs but...sigh. The implication was Republicans are viewed as anti-intellectual and elitist. Therefore Asians don't trend towards Republicans. Even if one could reasonably argue that Republicans are anti-intellectual and elitist, it is still an ad hominem to argue why Asians would not trend towards Republicans..then we would have to also assume Asians aren't anti-intellectual or elitists. It is all a matter of his opinion and carries no weight in an actual argument. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On November 15 2012 02:49 kmillz wrote: ... Interesting that the Asian vote gains a significant jump when electing a black president, either this means that they prefer a black President over a white one, or it is simply a correlation. It didn't really gain a significant jump at all. It was the continuation of a trend already in progress, but you go ahead and read into it how you want to. (I like how you add in that last "or it is simply a correlation" to try and absolve yourself) | ||
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kmillz
United States1548 Posts
On November 15 2012 03:44 Risen wrote: It didn't really gain a significant jump at all. It was the continuation of a trend already in progress, but you go ahead and read into it how you want to. (I like how you add in that last "or it is simply a correlation" to try and absolve yourself) You didn't read the discussion from earlier where someone had already stated that most Asians he knows are less afraid of black people than racist Republicans, nor did you read my follow up statement. On November 15 2012 03:06 kmillz wrote: Yeah, I was more inclined to it being a correlation with a black president, not because of a black president. Gotta ask though, why has it risen so much? Do you think this has to do with the evolution of both parties? Or just one of them? | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On November 15 2012 03:23 kmillz wrote: I agree with the trends of: younger voters and living in blue states. "Doing well economically" trends more towards the Republican party. The rest of your factors are ad hominems. Does it? I'd be interested in a source on that claim. I think the 1% vs 99% this election was silly. I don't think the top 1% votes significantly different than the other 99. My evidence is pure anecdote, though, so I'm very willing to change my mind on this. Edit: I think the top 1% tends to be more white than anything else, so my guess is that the top 1% trend Republican, but not more so than the other 99% white voters. I should have clarified that. | ||
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Recognizable
Netherlands1552 Posts
On November 15 2012 02:49 kmillz wrote: Can't respect others if you can't respect your own kind I suppose :\ kind of makes it a little ridiculous when people over analyze everything here and wail on the race card over trifle statements doesn't it? Interesting that the Asian vote gains a significant jump when electing a black president, either this means that they prefer a black President over a white one, or it is simply a correlation. A ''women'' graph would be interesting to see. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On November 15 2012 03:40 kmillz wrote: The implication was Republicans are viewed as anti-intellectual and elitist. Therefore Asians don't trend towards Republicans. That doesn't constitute an ad hominem argument. An ad hominem argument is basically, "Well of course you would think that, you're a ____." Or "What would you know about it? You're a _____!" There are plenty in this thread but that wasn't one of them. Anyway... which do you disagree with? That Republicans are viewed as anti-intellectual, or that it's a factor for Asian voters? You didn't really specify. Edit: Ninja'd by explanation. | ||
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kmillz
United States1548 Posts
On November 15 2012 03:46 Risen wrote: Does it? I'd be interested in a source on that claim. I think the 1% vs 99% this election was silly. I don't think the top 1% votes significantly different than the other 99. My evidence is pure anecdote, though, so I'm very willing to change my mind on this. Well, it was perhaps a weak assumption, but I was basing this simply on voting trends where the Republican nominee gains more support from those with higher income and the Democrat nominee gains more support from those with lower income. | ||
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