Name one single thing that Obama has done to restrict access to guns while president.
Here let me answer this one for you: You're going to ignore this post because you have nothing. Just like every other time you've been shown to be completely wrong you just deflect and ignore.
That's it? A draft policy from the Bureau of Land Management that no one has ever heard of and was amended a day later to clarify that they just don't want people going hiking or dog walking to get shot? And that their purpose isn't to ban weapon use on public land but keep it to hunting areas/shooting ranges?n And that this Bureau was created by legislation Bush signed in 2007? Man that Obama is really the most anti-gun president in the history.
By the way I think you got your false talking points messed up. There's no mention of concealed carry in that article. You were probably thinking of something you got from a FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:OBAMA BAN CONCEALED CARRY e-mail from 2008.
Banning the right to carry a gun on public property IS a ban on the right to carry on public property; both concealed and open.
Obama already said that he wants to ban concealed carry. He hasn't spoken out against open carry to my knowledge, but he must likely wants to ban that as well.
Oh hey look, more inane bullshit. You're a perfect representative of fact that people should listen to. Oh wait...
It should be pretty obvious that anyone who wants to ban concealed carry, are most likely also opposed to open carry.
I know people who prefer open carry to concealed carry, but I haven't seen them advocating for banning concealed carry.
Look at all the anecdotal evidence. Not a single statement backed up by anything. More bullshit.
It's common sense! And a ban on open carry would be consistent with his other anti-gun views.
2+2=5
It's common sense !
I admit, Obama has never (to my knowledge) said he wants to ban open carry. However, based on his other policies, it is reasonable to assume that he does.
so from now on, can anyone who is looking to ask a conservative/Republican a question about abortion and rape please refer that question to me so that I can answer it? Because apparently Republican politicians are having a hard time answering this question without sounding like misogynist asses. I mean how hard is this:
"Rape is one of the most heinous and terrible things that can happen to someone. We as a society have a moral duty to protect the victims and to pursue justice against the perpetrators, and it is my firm belief that we have a further obligation to provide the victims with as much help as humanly possible. As a {insert political/religious philosophy here}, I believe that all life is sacred, and I believe that the rights of the unborn child should be protected with every bit as much dedication and fervor as the rights of the mother."
but noooooooo... we can't be fucking politically savvy to save our gddamn lives. no way, Republicans have to start trying to redefine rape and wondering if maybe God didn't want the rape to happen or whatever the fuck that retard was saying. I mean, these are grown men and they can't even fucking get it right.
someone get them the hell out of my party because they make me look bad, and that's fucking saying something right there.
Name one single thing that Obama has done to restrict access to guns while president.
Here let me answer this one for you: You're going to ignore this post because you have nothing. Just like every other time you've been shown to be completely wrong you just deflect and ignore.
That's it? A draft policy from the Bureau of Land Management that no one has ever heard of and was amended a day later to clarify that they just don't want people going hiking or dog walking to get shot? And that their purpose isn't to ban weapon use on public land but keep it to hunting areas/shooting ranges?n And that this Bureau was created by legislation Bush signed in 2007? Man that Obama is really the most anti-gun president in the history.
By the way I think you got your false talking points messed up. There's no mention of concealed carry in that article. You were probably thinking of something you got from a FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:OBAMA BAN CONCEALED CARRY e-mail from 2008.
Banning the right to carry a gun on public property IS a ban on the right to carry on public property; both concealed and open.
Obama already said that he wants to ban concealed carry. He hasn't spoken out against open carry to my knowledge, but he must likely wants to ban that as well.
Oh hey look, more inane bullshit. You're a perfect representative of fact that people should listen to. Oh wait...
It should be pretty obvious that anyone who wants to ban concealed carry, are most likely also opposed to open carry.
I know people who prefer open carry to concealed carry, but I haven't seen them advocating for banning concealed carry.
Look at all the anecdotal evidence. Not a single statement backed up by anything. More bullshit.
It's common sense! And a ban on open carry would be consistent with his other anti-gun views.
Rallying cry of the uninformed. And that isn't consistent at all. As usual, you show a complete disregard for reality in your arguments and refuse to back up anything you say with facts here on Earth. Still not surprised, though. Where is xDaunt to reign this fool in.
Let's see, if someone wants to ban concealed carry, handguns, "scary looking assault weapons," and semi-automatic guns, then it would be consistent with this pattern for them to also want to ban open carry.
Name one single thing that Obama has done to restrict access to guns while president.
Here let me answer this one for you: You're going to ignore this post because you have nothing. Just like every other time you've been shown to be completely wrong you just deflect and ignore.
That's it? A draft policy from the Bureau of Land Management that no one has ever heard of and was amended a day later to clarify that they just don't want people going hiking or dog walking to get shot? And that their purpose isn't to ban weapon use on public land but keep it to hunting areas/shooting ranges?n And that this Bureau was created by legislation Bush signed in 2007? Man that Obama is really the most anti-gun president in the history.
By the way I think you got your false talking points messed up. There's no mention of concealed carry in that article. You were probably thinking of something you got from a FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:OBAMA BAN CONCEALED CARRY e-mail from 2008.
Banning the right to carry a gun on public property IS a ban on the right to carry on public property; both concealed and open.
Obama already said that he wants to ban concealed carry. He hasn't spoken out against open carry to my knowledge, but he must likely wants to ban that as well.
Oh hey look, more inane bullshit. You're a perfect representative of fact that people should listen to. Oh wait...
It should be pretty obvious that anyone who wants to ban concealed carry, are most likely also opposed to open carry.
I know people who prefer open carry to concealed carry, but I haven't seen them advocating for banning concealed carry.
Look at all the anecdotal evidence. Not a single statement backed up by anything. More bullshit.
It's common sense! And a ban on open carry would be consistent with his other anti-gun views.
2+2=5
It's common sense !
I admit, Obama has never (to my knowledge) said he wants to ban open carry. However, based on his other policies, it is reasonable to assume that he does.
No, it's not. Not at all. Well, not to me at least.
It's not something you can prove, not something you can demonstrate, not something everyone has to agree with ; it doesn't belong in a political discussion.
Name one single thing that Obama has done to restrict access to guns while president.
Here let me answer this one for you: You're going to ignore this post because you have nothing. Just like every other time you've been shown to be completely wrong you just deflect and ignore.
That's it? A draft policy from the Bureau of Land Management that no one has ever heard of and was amended a day later to clarify that they just don't want people going hiking or dog walking to get shot? And that their purpose isn't to ban weapon use on public land but keep it to hunting areas/shooting ranges?n And that this Bureau was created by legislation Bush signed in 2007? Man that Obama is really the most anti-gun president in the history.
By the way I think you got your false talking points messed up. There's no mention of concealed carry in that article. You were probably thinking of something you got from a FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:OBAMA BAN CONCEALED CARRY e-mail from 2008.
Banning the right to carry a gun on public property IS a ban on the right to carry on public property; both concealed and open.
Obama already said that he wants to ban concealed carry. He hasn't spoken out against open carry to my knowledge, but he must likely wants to ban that as well.
Oh hey look, more inane bullshit. You're a perfect representative of fact that people should listen to. Oh wait...
It should be pretty obvious that anyone who wants to ban concealed carry, are most likely also opposed to open carry.
I know people who prefer open carry to concealed carry, but I haven't seen them advocating for banning concealed carry.
Look at all the anecdotal evidence. Not a single statement backed up by anything. More bullshit.
It's common sense! And a ban on open carry would be consistent with his other anti-gun views.
2+2=5
It's common sense !
I admit, Obama has never (to my knowledge) said he wants to ban open carry. However, based on his other policies, it is reasonable to assume that he does.
Obama has said he wants to tax the rich a little more and give everyone access to affordable healthcare. However based on his other policies, I think he really wants to start a communist revolution in America.
With a GOP controlled house, how do you think Obama's going to pass anti-gun legislation. Even if he wanted to restrict gun access, explain to me how Barack "The gun stealing cock" Obama would do it in his second term. Through executive order? Lol if you really think that you even crazier than I thought.
Obamas plan is the most economically consistent and I am an economist myself. Debt of ~16 trillion will not be saved by Romneys tax cut for the middle class (although Mitt Romney is a respectable finance man from Bain Capital). It will be saved through slow tax increases just like Buffett and B.Gates agrees around, I agree, and Obama wants to implement.
Tax raises too fast can explode unemployment further which is atm around 8%-ish in the US. But my professor in macroeconomics agree that if you raise them slowly, unemployment wont be hit hard. And the economy can absolutely collapse should US fail to pay their 16 trillion dollar debt which is above their total GDP on about 14-15 trillion.
On foreign policy, I think they both fail. The U.S. has absolutely no moral right or authority in my opinion to dictate to the world what/how they should run their countries. Iran cannot have nuclear weapons Obama and Romney say, hey wait a second, last time I checked, the US had nukes themselves. So US spend billions to enhance their nuclear weapons with more accurate launch systems etc, while nobody else can have nukes? No that is wrong if you ask me, you can disagree its fine but for me, that is absolutely wrong.
On October 25 2012 04:32 Slaughter wrote: I don't like the assertion that Obama has abandoned our allies. He has dialed down our bromance with Israel and that's a good thing. We don't need to be rushing blindly to defend Israel every god damn time something comes up and they are pretty secure with just the promise of the US defending them if attacked. Thats the part of the problem in the middle east we favor one country then say fuck off to the rest. The UK? Uh pretty much the same as we ever had with them. Weak on the international stage? You do realize that most of the american people are getting as sick of being all up in the worlds business as the rest of the world has been for the past 2-3 decades. Also he has nothing really to do with expanding or contracting the "entitlement culture" that has come into being. Plus the Economy IS recovering slowly but surely, and while he probably can't take much credit it is going in the right direction but it takes a while to recover from things like that.
There's a reason why almost every non-US poster in this thread is rooting for Obama. Americans seem to have no memory or concept of the incredible amount of credibility and respect the US lost during the Bush Administration. The nonsensical invasion of Iraq, the conditions at Abu Gharib, water-boarding, the bungled response to Katrina -- all these incidents contributed to an image of a America with terrible, terrible leadership.
It's astonishing to think there are Americans that buy into all this nonsense that Obama has somehow hurt America's image abroad. If anything, he restored its image to pre-Bush levels.
Democrats want the rest of the world to "love" the US. Republicans want the rest of the world to "respect" the US. The idea is that rogue countries won't respect the US if they don't take its military stance seriously. And that could put the US in danger. I don't think Republicans believe it's important that the French or Dutch love America, because their larger agenda is to spread capitalist democracy across the world.
Pffft.
When images of people stranded for days on rooftops hit the Global news, the international community lost any remnants of respect they had for the US. It revealed that for all it's military posturing, the Bush administration couldn't even weather a literal storm. People around the world were like, "Oh my god. America looks and acts like a second/third world country".
Don't be so bloody naive. No one liked OR respected the Bush Administration. And the international community has far more respect for Obama's administration based on the killing of Osama and his response to Gaddafi.
Just remember, voter fraud is a joke except for those vote machines that are programmed to give Republicans votes. Voter ID laws are just a racist way to suppress minority votes.
Of course the machine just needed to be re-calibrated. But that's what they would say, isn't it? (No I don't really think the vote machines are rigged either way.)
Pffft.
When images of people stranded for days on rooftops hit the Global news, the international community lost any remnants of respect they had for the US. It revealed that for all it's military posturing, the Bush administration couldn't even weather a literal storm. People around the world were like, "Oh my god. America looks and acts like a second/third world country".
Don't be so bloody naive. No one liked OR respected the Bush Administration. And the international community has far more respect for Obama's administration based on the killing of Obama and his response to Gaddafi.
*yawn*
What you mean is this is the way you feel. Unfortunately for your fantasy your rulers are happy to let you think they feel the same way while they still cajole/beg us daily.
On October 25 2012 05:33 sc2superfan101 wrote: so from now on, can anyone who is looking to ask a conservative/Republican a question about abortion and rape please refer that question to me so that I can answer it? Because apparently Republican politicians are having a hard time answering this question without sounding like misogynist asses. I mean how hard is this:
"Rape is one of the most heinous and terrible things that can happen to someone. We as a society have a moral duty to protect the victims and to pursue justice against the perpetrators, and it is my firm belief that we have a further obligation to provide the victims with as much help as humanly possible. As a {insert political/religious philosophy here}, I believe that all life is sacred, and I believe that the rights of the unborn child should be protected with every bit as much dedication and fervor as the rights of the mother."
but noooooooo... we can't be fucking politically savvy to save our gddamn lives. no way, Republicans have to start trying to redefine rape and wondering if maybe God didn't want the rape to happen or whatever the fuck that retard was saying. I mean, these are grown men and they can't even fucking get it right.
someone get them the hell out of my party because they make me look bad, and that's fucking saying something right there.
On October 25 2012 05:39 Defacer wrote: And the international community has far more respect for Obama's administration based on the killing of Obama and his response to Gaddafi.
What is wrong with this sentence (other than the fact that it starts with "and")?
On October 25 2012 04:32 Slaughter wrote: I don't like the assertion that Obama has abandoned our allies. He has dialed down our bromance with Israel and that's a good thing. We don't need to be rushing blindly to defend Israel every god damn time something comes up and they are pretty secure with just the promise of the US defending them if attacked. Thats the part of the problem in the middle east we favor one country then say fuck off to the rest. The UK? Uh pretty much the same as we ever had with them. Weak on the international stage? You do realize that most of the american people are getting as sick of being all up in the worlds business as the rest of the world has been for the past 2-3 decades. Also he has nothing really to do with expanding or contracting the "entitlement culture" that has come into being. Plus the Economy IS recovering slowly but surely, and while he probably can't take much credit it is going in the right direction but it takes a while to recover from things like that.
There's a reason why almost every non-US poster in this thread is rooting for Obama. Americans seem to have no memory or concept of the incredible amount of credibility and respect the US lost during the Bush Administration. The nonsensical invasion of Iraq, the conditions at Abu Gharib, water-boarding, the bungled response to Katrina -- all these incidents contributed to an image of a America with terrible, terrible leadership.
It's astonishing to think there are Americans that buy into all this nonsense that Obama has somehow hurt America's image abroad. If anything, he restored its image to pre-Bush levels.
Democrats want the rest of the world to "love" the US. Republicans want the rest of the world to "respect" the US. The idea is that rogue countries won't respect the US if they don't take its military stance seriously. And that could put the US in danger. I don't think Republicans believe it's important that the French or Dutch love America, because their larger agenda is to spread capitalist democracy across the world.
Pffft.
When images of people stranded for days on rooftops hit the Global news, the international community lost any remnants of respect they had for the US. It revealed that for all it's military posturing, the Bush administration couldn't even weather a literal storm. People around the world were like, "Oh my god. America looks and acts like a second/third world country".
Don't be so bloody naive. No one liked OR respected the Bush Administration. And the international community has far more respect for Obama's administration based on the killing of Obama and his response to Gaddafi.
On October 25 2012 05:39 Defacer wrote: And the international community has far more respect for Obama's administration based on the killing of Obama and his response to Gaddafi.
What is wrong with this sentence (other than the fact that it starts with "and")?
That the international community thinks Obama is either a fool or just incompetent?
On October 25 2012 05:41 DeepElemBlues wrote: Just remember, voter fraud is a joke except for those vote machines that are programmed to give Republicans votes. Voter ID laws are just a racist way to suppress minority votes.
Of course the machine just needed to be re-calibrated. But that's what they would say, isn't it? (No I don't really think the vote machines are rigged either way.)
Just remember, get all of your news and information from conservative sites, always!
On October 25 2012 05:39 Defacer wrote: And the international community has far more respect for Obama's administration based on the killing of Obama and his response to Gaddafi.
What is wrong with this sentence (other than the fact that it starts with "and")?
That the international community thinks Obama is either a fool or just incompetent?
On October 25 2012 05:41 DeepElemBlues wrote: Just remember, voter fraud is a joke except for those vote machines that are programmed to give Republicans votes. Voter ID laws are just a racist way to suppress minority votes.
Of course the machine just needed to be re-calibrated. But that's what they would say, isn't it? (No I don't really think the vote machines are rigged either way.)
Just remember, get all of your news and information from conservative sites, and when a story from a non-partisan source doesn't agree with your ideology, cherry pick the message! From your second link,
Guilford County Board of Elections Director George Gilbert says the problem arises every election. It can be resolved after the machine is re-calibrated by poll workers.
“It’s not a conspiracy it’s just a machine that needs to be corrected,” Gilbert said.
After the third try, Coromalis says she was able to get her vote counted for Gov. Romney but was still annoyed.
“I should have just mailed it in,” Coromalis said.
Marie Haydock, who also voted at the Bur-Mil Park polling location, had the same problem.
“The frustration is… every vote counts,” said Haydock.
Elections officials say the machines have been fixed as of Tuesday, and no problems have been reported since.
Oh wait, that's not what you wanted to say.....
Did you read my post?
(No I don't really think the vote machines are rigged either way.)
I thought that made it clear I wasn't being serious, I was poking fun at the "Republicans rig vote machines" conspiracy theories.
Also, the video doesn't lie, try poisoning the well, well, more competently. Democratic Congressman Moran's son discussed ways to fraudulently register to vote and promised that Organizing for America's lawyers would back them up in court.
On October 25 2012 05:41 DeepElemBlues wrote: Just remember, voter fraud is a joke except for those vote machines that are programmed to give Republicans votes. Voter ID laws are just a racist way to suppress minority votes.
Of course the machine just needed to be re-calibrated. But that's what they would say, isn't it? (No I don't really think the vote machines are rigged either way.)
Just remember, get all of your news and information from conservative sites, always!
Stuff like this happens on both sides, and whether the source is conservative or not doesn't matter to me for stuff like this. Just to be clear, though. That's his SON, and his son doesn't endorse it, just gives ways you could do it (which is almost as bad)
The second link is something that happens each election and is easily fixed. The case in point didn't even pose a problem of someone voting for the wrong person.
On October 25 2012 04:32 Slaughter wrote: I don't like the assertion that Obama has abandoned our allies. He has dialed down our bromance with Israel and that's a good thing. We don't need to be rushing blindly to defend Israel every god damn time something comes up and they are pretty secure with just the promise of the US defending them if attacked. Thats the part of the problem in the middle east we favor one country then say fuck off to the rest. The UK? Uh pretty much the same as we ever had with them. Weak on the international stage? You do realize that most of the american people are getting as sick of being all up in the worlds business as the rest of the world has been for the past 2-3 decades. Also he has nothing really to do with expanding or contracting the "entitlement culture" that has come into being. Plus the Economy IS recovering slowly but surely, and while he probably can't take much credit it is going in the right direction but it takes a while to recover from things like that.
There's a reason why almost every non-US poster in this thread is rooting for Obama. Americans seem to have no memory or concept of the incredible amount of credibility and respect the US lost during the Bush Administration. The nonsensical invasion of Iraq, the conditions at Abu Gharib, water-boarding, the bungled response to Katrina -- all these incidents contributed to an image of a America with terrible, terrible leadership.
It's astonishing to think there are Americans that buy into all this nonsense that Obama has somehow hurt America's image abroad. If anything, he restored its image to pre-Bush levels.
Democrats want the rest of the world to "love" the US. Republicans want the rest of the world to "respect" the US. The idea is that rogue countries won't respect the US if they don't take its military stance seriously. And that could put the US in danger. I don't think Republicans believe it's important that the French or Dutch love America, because their larger agenda is to spread capitalist democracy across the world.
Pffft.
When images of people stranded for days on rooftops hit the Global news, the international community lost any remnants of respect they had for the US. It revealed that for all it's military posturing, the Bush administration couldn't even weather a literal storm. People around the world were like, "Oh my god. America looks and acts like a second/third world country".
Don't be so bloody naive. No one liked OR respected the Bush Administration. And the international community has far more respect for Obama's administration based on the killing of Obama and his response to Gaddafi.
On October 25 2012 04:32 Slaughter wrote: I don't like the assertion that Obama has abandoned our allies. He has dialed down our bromance with Israel and that's a good thing. We don't need to be rushing blindly to defend Israel every god damn time something comes up and they are pretty secure with just the promise of the US defending them if attacked. Thats the part of the problem in the middle east we favor one country then say fuck off to the rest. The UK? Uh pretty much the same as we ever had with them. Weak on the international stage? You do realize that most of the american people are getting as sick of being all up in the worlds business as the rest of the world has been for the past 2-3 decades. Also he has nothing really to do with expanding or contracting the "entitlement culture" that has come into being. Plus the Economy IS recovering slowly but surely, and while he probably can't take much credit it is going in the right direction but it takes a while to recover from things like that.
There's a reason why almost every non-US poster in this thread is rooting for Obama. Americans seem to have no memory or concept of the incredible amount of credibility and respect the US lost during the Bush Administration. The nonsensical invasion of Iraq, the conditions at Abu Gharib, water-boarding, the bungled response to Katrina -- all these incidents contributed to an image of a America with terrible, terrible leadership.
It's astonishing to think there are Americans that buy into all this nonsense that Obama has somehow hurt America's image abroad. If anything, he restored its image to pre-Bush levels.
Democrats want the rest of the world to "love" the US. Republicans want the rest of the world to "respect" the US. The idea is that rogue countries won't respect the US if they don't take its military stance seriously. And that could put the US in danger. I don't think Republicans believe it's important that the French or Dutch love America, because their larger agenda is to spread capitalist democracy across the world.
Pffft.
When images of people stranded for days on rooftops hit the Global news, the international community lost any remnants of respect they had for the US. It revealed that for all it's military posturing, the Bush administration couldn't even weather a literal storm. People around the world were like, "Oh my god. America looks and acts like a second/third world country".
Don't be so bloody naive. No one liked OR respected the Bush Administration. And the international community has far more respect for Obama's administration based on the killing of Obama and his response to Gaddafi.
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I'm at work dude. Tired.
No worries just a small funny. Happens to me all the time lol
On October 25 2012 04:32 Slaughter wrote: I don't like the assertion that Obama has abandoned our allies. He has dialed down our bromance with Israel and that's a good thing. We don't need to be rushing blindly to defend Israel every god damn time something comes up and they are pretty secure with just the promise of the US defending them if attacked. Thats the part of the problem in the middle east we favor one country then say fuck off to the rest. The UK? Uh pretty much the same as we ever had with them. Weak on the international stage? You do realize that most of the american people are getting as sick of being all up in the worlds business as the rest of the world has been for the past 2-3 decades. Also he has nothing really to do with expanding or contracting the "entitlement culture" that has come into being. Plus the Economy IS recovering slowly but surely, and while he probably can't take much credit it is going in the right direction but it takes a while to recover from things like that.
There's a reason why almost every non-US poster in this thread is rooting for Obama. Americans seem to have no memory or concept of the incredible amount of credibility and respect the US lost during the Bush Administration. The nonsensical invasion of Iraq, the conditions at Abu Gharib, water-boarding, the bungled response to Katrina -- all these incidents contributed to an image of a America with terrible, terrible leadership.
It's astonishing to think there are Americans that buy into all this nonsense that Obama has somehow hurt America's image abroad. If anything, he restored its image to pre-Bush levels.
Democrats want the rest of the world to "love" the US. Republicans want the rest of the world to "respect" the US. The idea is that rogue countries won't respect the US if they don't take its military stance seriously. And that could put the US in danger. I don't think Republicans believe it's important that the French or Dutch love America, because their larger agenda is to spread capitalist democracy across the world.
Pffft.
When images of people stranded for days on rooftops hit the Global news, the international community lost any remnants of respect they had for the US. It revealed that for all it's military posturing, the Bush administration couldn't even weather a literal storm. People around the world were like, "Oh my god. America looks and acts like a second/third world country".
Don't be so bloody naive. No one liked OR respected the Bush Administration. And the international community has far more respect for Obama's administration based on the killing of Obama and his response to Gaddafi.
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I'm at work dude. Tired.
You must be, since you also think that banning handguns and concealed carry means that you support open carry.
EPT
