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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

The new thread can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383301
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 24 2012 01:55 GMT
#20081
fuck yeah Jill Stein! fuck yeah!
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
mynameisgreat11
Profile Joined February 2012
599 Posts
October 24 2012 01:55 GMT
#20082
On October 24 2012 10:54 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Is Swazi actually a troll account made to make Republicans look retarded? I'm getting very suspicious of all the free ammunition he's giving here.


It's me. Is it working?
Swazi Spring
Profile Joined September 2012
United States415 Posts
October 24 2012 01:55 GMT
#20083
On October 24 2012 10:54 Leporello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2012 10:50 Swazi Spring wrote:
On October 24 2012 10:49 Josealtron wrote:
Quite frankly, the only reason I'm voting for Obama and not Jill Stein is because by voting for Jill Stein, I'm taking a vote away from Obama and making it more likely that Romney will win. Jill Stein has no chance, unfortunately.

Not that it matters at all, though, since I live in Texas and my state is gonna go red anyway...I really, really hate the USA's voting system. If you're not in a swing state, your vote basically does not matter. I would much rather have popular vote decide who wins.

We need to replace the electoral college with a 1 state = 1 vote system.

Sadly the liberals would probably ragequit and not allow such an amendment to pass.


Do you know how many people live in Montana compared to Texas or California? Horrible idea.

America is a federation, not a unitary state. The president should represent all of the states equally. How would you feel if the leaders of the EU only cared about Germany?
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
October 24 2012 01:55 GMT
#20084
On October 24 2012 10:50 Swazi Spring wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2012 10:49 Josealtron wrote:
Quite frankly, the only reason I'm voting for Obama and not Jill Stein is because by voting for Jill Stein, I'm taking a vote away from Obama and making it more likely that Romney will win. Jill Stein has no chance, unfortunately.

Not that it matters at all, though, since I live in Texas and my state is gonna go red anyway...I really, really hate the USA's voting system. If you're not in a swing state, your vote basically does not matter. I would much rather have popular vote decide who wins.

We need to replace the electoral college with a 1 state = 1 vote system.

Sadly the liberals would probably ragequit and not allow such an amendment to pass.


as retarded as this is, it is basically correct. the president is not the president of the people, hes the leader of the states. IF the power of the president over the states was reduced, i could see the argument for making it more clear that states do the electing.

the problem is the world has moved on in 200 years, the size and power of the US government is such that all this talk of states rights and whatever is irrelevent. the fact is the states need less power these days, in no other country do states act all independent all the time when they clearly arent.
TotalBalanceSC2
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada475 Posts
October 24 2012 01:55 GMT
#20085
On October 24 2012 10:54 Swazi Spring wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2012 10:51 heliusx wrote:
On October 24 2012 10:50 Swazi Spring wrote:
On October 24 2012 10:49 Josealtron wrote:
Quite frankly, the only reason I'm voting for Obama and not Jill Stein is because by voting for Jill Stein, I'm taking a vote away from Obama and making it more likely that Romney will win. Jill Stein has no chance, unfortunately.

Not that it matters at all, though, since I live in Texas and my state is gonna go red anyway...I really, really hate the USA's voting system. If you're not in a swing state, your vote basically does not matter. I would much rather have popular vote decide who wins.

We need to replace the electoral college with a 1 state = 1 vote system.

Sadly the liberals would probably ragequit and not allow such an amendment to pass.


No one would allow that to pass because it's stupid.

Compelling argument.

What was your compelling argument for it in the first place?
Survivor61316
Profile Joined July 2012
United States470 Posts
October 24 2012 01:57 GMT
#20086
On October 24 2012 10:50 Swazi Spring wrote:
We need to replace the electoral college with a 1 state = 1 vote system.

Sadly the liberals would probably ragequit and not allow such an amendment to pass.


Actually if you watched the debate between Jon Stewart and Bill O'Reilly, its the republican party who generally shies away from the popular vote. When it came up to the two of them, Stewart (an obvious liberal) lauded the idea, and O'Reilly (clearly an elephant) said it would be a horrible decision to remove the electoral college.

Its really no surprise, as more than two percent more of registered voter are registered as democrats over republicans, which would obviously give a benefit to the Democratic party in an election.
Liquid Fighting
mynameisgreat11
Profile Joined February 2012
599 Posts
October 24 2012 01:57 GMT
#20087
Why is the ban hammer so swift at times and so lenient others? Can we get rid of this guy so we can all get back to hating each other?
nevermindthebollocks
Profile Joined October 2012
United States116 Posts
October 24 2012 01:57 GMT
#20088
On October 24 2012 10:40 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2012 10:24 Swazi Spring wrote:
On October 24 2012 10:22 turdburgler wrote:
On October 24 2012 10:17 Swazi Spring wrote:
Obama has been caught red handed lying and insulting our troops yet again: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/23/bayonets-still-standard-issue-despite-obama-debate-jab/

Bayonets are still standard issue and have saved countless lives in the Iraq and Afghan wars.


he said you have less bayonets and horses than during 19whatever

and thats true.

stop doing a fox and ignoring the truth.



Again, another incorrect and misinformed statement.


the m7/9 bayonets/knifes are only used in attachment with m16s and m4s which represent only a fraction of what is standard issue to the US army. if you do not attach it to a gun it is not a bayonet. all rifles had bayonets in 1916. if you can find numbers to prove there are more m16s and m4s in the current army than total soldiers of 1916 then go ahead. spend 2/3 hours missing the point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M9_bayonet

the m9 alone, while in service for 28 years, only accounts for ~400,000 knives. assume 50% have been broken or lost in battle and it doesnt really add up to very many.

i found the link
http://senseofevents.blogspot.com/2012/10/obama-wrong-about-bayonets.html

but as you say they are missing the point. so what if obama was wrong? the point is valid and romney got burned in front of 60 million or people

the same people talk about how obama called subs ships but they are "boats" and that long ago he didn't pronounce corpseman correctly and that he sends robosigned letters of condolences to soldiers killed like they expect him to handwrite personal letters to every single person. what about the lives he saves by withdrawing from iraq and afghanistan and not sending soldiers to libya?

repeat with me. they are desperate!
Anarchy!
Josealtron
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States219 Posts
October 24 2012 01:57 GMT
#20089
On October 24 2012 10:49 sam!zdat wrote:
according to your logic josealtron, you should vote for stein. does way more good than a texas vote for obama

edit: that is, you would not be in fact be making it more likely for romney to win


I guess you're right. Still, I can't stand the electoral college system.

October 24 2012 10:50 Swazi Spring wrote:
We need to replace the electoral college with a 1 state = 1 vote system.

Sadly the liberals would probably ragequit and not allow such an amendment to pass.



This is an even more stupid idea than the electoral college, for a wide variety of reasons(the most obvious one being that if you're in a state with a large population, your vote counts for much less). This is one of the reasons the electoral college was created-because this is a ridiculous way to handle voting.

"If you give up on yourself, you give up on the world."
Swazi Spring
Profile Joined September 2012
United States415 Posts
October 24 2012 01:58 GMT
#20090
Jill Stein: "I want to get rid of our national debt! I also want to transform America into a completely socialist state, give away 'free' college, give away 'free' healthcare, and wage a war on climate change!"

I don't think she understands how economics work.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 24 2012 01:58 GMT
#20091
Gov. Johnson: Government-guaranteed student loans are to blame for high tuition costs.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
October 24 2012 01:58 GMT
#20092
On October 24 2012 10:57 Survivor61316 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2012 10:50 Swazi Spring wrote:
We need to replace the electoral college with a 1 state = 1 vote system.

Sadly the liberals would probably ragequit and not allow such an amendment to pass.


Actually if you watched the debate between Jon Stewart and Bill O'Reilly, its the republican party who generally shies away from the popular vote. When it came up to the two of them, Stewart (an obvious liberal) lauded the idea, and O'Reilly (clearly an elephant) said it would be a horrible decision to remove the electoral college.

Its really no surprise, as more than two percent more of registered voter are registered as democrats over republicans, which would obviously give a benefit to the Democratic party in an election.


1 state 1 vote is not a popular vote at all, it would be very very far from it
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
October 24 2012 01:58 GMT
#20093
Meh, the US is pretty much just a state now, let's drop the pretence
shikata ga nai
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
October 24 2012 01:59 GMT
#20094
On October 24 2012 10:58 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Gov. Johnson: Government-guaranteed student loans are to blame for high tuition costs.

Are you watching something? Link?
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
Survivor61316
Profile Joined July 2012
United States470 Posts
October 24 2012 01:59 GMT
#20095
On October 24 2012 10:55 Swazi Spring wrote:
America is a federation, not a unitary state. The president should represent all of the states equally. How would you feel if the leaders of the EU only cared about Germany?


Wrong.

If this were true, Federal law would not supersede state law..it would be the reverse. America has not been a confederation since the decade after the Revolutionary war ended.
Liquid Fighting
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
October 24 2012 02:00 GMT
#20096
On October 24 2012 10:57 Josealtron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2012 10:49 sam!zdat wrote:
according to your logic josealtron, you should vote for stein. does way more good than a texas vote for obama

edit: that is, you would not be in fact be making it more likely for romney to win


I guess you're right. Still, I can't stand the electoral college system.



Well, I would really encourage you to vote 3rd party, because that way your vote actually does make a difference, I feel. Don't get guilted into voting for lesser evil when you're not actually even having an effect on bringing about lesser evil...

I think the whole bit with the electoral college is something of a red herring, tbh
shikata ga nai
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 24 2012 02:00 GMT
#20097
The Third Party debate:

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Swazi Spring
Profile Joined September 2012
United States415 Posts
October 24 2012 02:00 GMT
#20098
On October 24 2012 10:55 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2012 10:50 Swazi Spring wrote:
On October 24 2012 10:49 Josealtron wrote:
Quite frankly, the only reason I'm voting for Obama and not Jill Stein is because by voting for Jill Stein, I'm taking a vote away from Obama and making it more likely that Romney will win. Jill Stein has no chance, unfortunately.

Not that it matters at all, though, since I live in Texas and my state is gonna go red anyway...I really, really hate the USA's voting system. If you're not in a swing state, your vote basically does not matter. I would much rather have popular vote decide who wins.

We need to replace the electoral college with a 1 state = 1 vote system.

Sadly the liberals would probably ragequit and not allow such an amendment to pass.


as retarded as this is, it is basically correct. the president is not the president of the people, hes the leader of the states. IF the power of the president over the states was reduced, i could see the argument for making it more clear that states do the electing.

the problem is the world has moved on in 200 years, the size and power of the US government is such that all this talk of states rights and whatever is irrelevent. the fact is the states need less power these days, in no other country do states act all independent all the time when they clearly arent.

The argument that "America's government is too big, we should just allow it to remain big" has never stood well with me. The government is only as large as it is because we continue to just say "it's big, just accept it" but we need to seriously reduce the size and scope of this government and return rights to the states and to the people.
heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
October 24 2012 02:01 GMT
#20099
If anyone thinks 1 state should equal 1 vote I honestly doubt it's worth your time trying to educate such a person.
dude bro.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 24 2012 02:01 GMT
#20100
Jill Stein: Instead of bailing out Wall Street, let's bail out the students.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
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