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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

The new thread can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383301
mynameisgreat11
Profile Joined February 2012
599 Posts
October 24 2012 02:02 GMT
#20101
On October 24 2012 11:00 Swazi Spring wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2012 10:55 turdburgler wrote:
On October 24 2012 10:50 Swazi Spring wrote:
On October 24 2012 10:49 Josealtron wrote:
Quite frankly, the only reason I'm voting for Obama and not Jill Stein is because by voting for Jill Stein, I'm taking a vote away from Obama and making it more likely that Romney will win. Jill Stein has no chance, unfortunately.

Not that it matters at all, though, since I live in Texas and my state is gonna go red anyway...I really, really hate the USA's voting system. If you're not in a swing state, your vote basically does not matter. I would much rather have popular vote decide who wins.

We need to replace the electoral college with a 1 state = 1 vote system.

Sadly the liberals would probably ragequit and not allow such an amendment to pass.


as retarded as this is, it is basically correct. the president is not the president of the people, hes the leader of the states. IF the power of the president over the states was reduced, i could see the argument for making it more clear that states do the electing.

the problem is the world has moved on in 200 years, the size and power of the US government is such that all this talk of states rights and whatever is irrelevent. the fact is the states need less power these days, in no other country do states act all independent all the time when they clearly arent.

The argument that "America's government is too big, we should just allow it to remain big" has never stood well with me. The government is only as large as it is because we continue to just say "it's big, just accept it" but we need to seriously reduce the size and scope of this government and return rights to the states and to the people.


State right #1: Slavery!
Swazi Spring
Profile Joined September 2012
United States415 Posts
October 24 2012 02:02 GMT
#20102
On October 24 2012 10:58 BlueBird. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2012 10:57 Survivor61316 wrote:
On October 24 2012 10:50 Swazi Spring wrote:
We need to replace the electoral college with a 1 state = 1 vote system.

Sadly the liberals would probably ragequit and not allow such an amendment to pass.


Actually if you watched the debate between Jon Stewart and Bill O'Reilly, its the republican party who generally shies away from the popular vote. When it came up to the two of them, Stewart (an obvious liberal) lauded the idea, and O'Reilly (clearly an elephant) said it would be a horrible decision to remove the electoral college.

Its really no surprise, as more than two percent more of registered voter are registered as democrats over republicans, which would obviously give a benefit to the Democratic party in an election.


1 state 1 vote is not a popular vote at all, it would be very very far from it

Not necessarily, it would be up to each individual state as to how they would vote. One state might have their legislature pick who they want to vote for, another might have a popular vote to decide.
Survivor61316
Profile Joined July 2012
United States470 Posts
October 24 2012 02:03 GMT
#20103
On October 24 2012 10:58 BlueBird. wrote:
1 state 1 vote is not a popular vote at all, it would be very very far from it


Well seeing as 1 state 1 vote would be the dumbest idea ever, I just ignored it and subbed in the most popular idea to replace the electoral college.

1 state 1 vote would give a hugely disproportionate amount of the vote to states with lower population (think Wyoming with less than 250,000 people versus the millions in California). That system would just exacerbate the problems that are already inherent in the Electoral College.
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Swazi Spring
Profile Joined September 2012
United States415 Posts
October 24 2012 02:03 GMT
#20104
On October 24 2012 10:59 Survivor61316 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2012 10:55 Swazi Spring wrote:
America is a federation, not a unitary state. The president should represent all of the states equally. How would you feel if the leaders of the EU only cared about Germany?


Wrong.

If this were true, Federal law would not supersede state law..it would be the reverse. America has not been a confederation since the decade after the Revolutionary war ended.

Where did I say America was a confederacy?
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
October 24 2012 02:04 GMT
#20105
On October 24 2012 11:01 heliusx wrote:
If anyone thinks 1 state should equal 1 vote I honestly doubt it's worth your time trying to educate such a person.


Confucius said, "If you don't talk with those worth talking to, you lose people. If you talk with those not worth talking to, you lose words. Knowers do not lose people, and they do not lose words either."
shikata ga nai
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
October 24 2012 02:04 GMT
#20106
On October 24 2012 11:02 Swazi Spring wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2012 10:58 BlueBird. wrote:
On October 24 2012 10:57 Survivor61316 wrote:
On October 24 2012 10:50 Swazi Spring wrote:
We need to replace the electoral college with a 1 state = 1 vote system.

Sadly the liberals would probably ragequit and not allow such an amendment to pass.


Actually if you watched the debate between Jon Stewart and Bill O'Reilly, its the republican party who generally shies away from the popular vote. When it came up to the two of them, Stewart (an obvious liberal) lauded the idea, and O'Reilly (clearly an elephant) said it would be a horrible decision to remove the electoral college.

Its really no surprise, as more than two percent more of registered voter are registered as democrats over republicans, which would obviously give a benefit to the Democratic party in an election.


1 state 1 vote is not a popular vote at all, it would be very very far from it

Not necessarily, it would be up to each individual state as to how they would vote. One state might have their legislature pick who they want to vote for, another might have a popular vote to decide.


this is already how it works, just all the states decide to have a popular election
shikata ga nai
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
October 24 2012 02:04 GMT
#20107
Well, I was really excited about watching this but this woman is driving me nuts... Sounds like the last 30 professors I had in college on their rants.
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
Swazi Spring
Profile Joined September 2012
United States415 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-24 02:07:08
October 24 2012 02:04 GMT
#20108
On October 24 2012 11:03 Survivor61316 wrote:
1 state 1 vote is the dumbest idea ever

You keep saying that but you haven't provided a single reason as to why. You're running entirely on emotion, not substance.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 24 2012 02:05 GMT
#20109
what the third party debate needs: better sound equipment, and debate coaches for each candidate.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
October 24 2012 02:05 GMT
#20110
Yeah they are not really the best speakers are they? Couldn't watch that long
shikata ga nai
nevermindthebollocks
Profile Joined October 2012
United States116 Posts
October 24 2012 02:05 GMT
#20111
On October 24 2012 10:58 Swazi Spring wrote:
Jill Stein: "I want to get rid of our national debt! I also want to transform America into a completely socialist state, give away 'free' college, give away 'free' healthcare, and wage a war on climate change!"

I don't think she understands how economics work.

then tell us

by not taxing rich people and not building roads is a good idea?
Anarchy!
Swazi Spring
Profile Joined September 2012
United States415 Posts
October 24 2012 02:06 GMT
#20112
On October 24 2012 11:04 sam!zdat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2012 11:02 Swazi Spring wrote:
On October 24 2012 10:58 BlueBird. wrote:
On October 24 2012 10:57 Survivor61316 wrote:
On October 24 2012 10:50 Swazi Spring wrote:
We need to replace the electoral college with a 1 state = 1 vote system.

Sadly the liberals would probably ragequit and not allow such an amendment to pass.


Actually if you watched the debate between Jon Stewart and Bill O'Reilly, its the republican party who generally shies away from the popular vote. When it came up to the two of them, Stewart (an obvious liberal) lauded the idea, and O'Reilly (clearly an elephant) said it would be a horrible decision to remove the electoral college.

Its really no surprise, as more than two percent more of registered voter are registered as democrats over republicans, which would obviously give a benefit to the Democratic party in an election.


1 state 1 vote is not a popular vote at all, it would be very very far from it

Not necessarily, it would be up to each individual state as to how they would vote. One state might have their legislature pick who they want to vote for, another might have a popular vote to decide.


this is already how it works, just all the states decide to have a popular election

Under the electoral college system, not under a 1 state = 1 vote system.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 24 2012 02:06 GMT
#20113
"We need to stop the persecution of whistleblowers." - Jill Stein
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
October 24 2012 02:07 GMT
#20114
Pretty stupid questions too... Who is gonna say they are in favor of indefinite detentions? Come on...
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
Swazi Spring
Profile Joined September 2012
United States415 Posts
October 24 2012 02:08 GMT
#20115
On October 24 2012 11:05 nevermindthebollocks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2012 10:58 Swazi Spring wrote:
Jill Stein: "I want to get rid of our national debt! I also want to transform America into a completely socialist state, give away 'free' college, give away 'free' healthcare, and wage a war on climate change!"

I don't think she understands how economics work.

then tell us

by not taxing rich people and not building roads is a good idea?

Rich people don't get taxed? We don't build roads?

What?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 24 2012 02:08 GMT
#20116
On October 24 2012 11:07 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Pretty stupid questions too... Who is gonna say they are in favor of indefinite detentions? Come on...


Oddly enough these topics were never brought up during the debates of the two major parties, why is that?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
nevermindthebollocks
Profile Joined October 2012
United States116 Posts
October 24 2012 02:08 GMT
#20117
On October 24 2012 11:01 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Jill Stein: Instead of bailing out Wall Street, let's bail out the students.

dont worry once we get health care free to everyone we will make sure everyone gets free college. it's inevitable
Anarchy!
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
October 24 2012 02:08 GMT
#20118
talk of bailing out the students is such a typical third party talking point ;p it sounds good on paper and it sits well with the young and some parents / mothers but whenever a party actually gets in to power, helping the student is their last concern. so take her words with a pinch of salt. when it comes to the realities of governing, appeasing the voting blocks with the lowest turn outs isnt the way to win, so they dont.

source: we just had this exact thing happen in england :D
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
October 24 2012 02:09 GMT
#20119
On October 24 2012 11:07 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Pretty stupid questions too... Who is gonna say they are in favor of indefinite detentions? Come on...


Uhm, Obama and Republicans.
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TotalBalanceSC2
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada475 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-24 02:10:56
October 24 2012 02:10 GMT
#20120
On October 24 2012 10:58 Swazi Spring wrote:
Jill Stein: "I want to get rid of our national debt! I also want to transform America into a completely socialist state, give away 'free' college, give away 'free' healthcare, and wage a war on climate change!"

I don't think she understands how economics work.


Denmark seems to be doing really well with their free healthcare and free education and I also hear those Europeans care very much about their enviroment. Why has their society not collapsed?

And please tell me you are not an economics student.
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