EPTUse of Old Church Spaces - Page 3
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Sovano
United States1503 Posts
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fYlddnaHturtDyaWdmAi
Israel157 Posts
On April 18 2012 22:12 Sbrubbles wrote: Prostitution is illegal in most countries and I don't think costumers would be confortable with looking and paying for whores in a place that used to be a church (and may still remind them of one). Heavy conscience and all that. What about is places where prostitution is legal, say Amsterdam. Would that make a difference? | ||
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mcbrite
Germany229 Posts
On April 18 2012 22:17 Twelve12 wrote: It's pretty ridiculous that people would care about this. Don't want your church space being used for another purpose? don't sell it. Don't want your holy icons being used for something else? Remove them before you sell it. The liberty at which the religious use the 'offended' tag is so crazy. Many of the beliefs of the religious are deeply deeply offensive to me. The idea that a large bunch of very good and kind people are going to be tortured for eternity is very offensive to me. The contribution of the catholic church to the spread of aids in africa is very offensive to me. Yet if someone buys my property and wants to turn it into a church i wouldn't complain because i sold them my property. I really don't see the problem here I was just going to post that I'd use a church to store my pornography, dead hookers and gambling equipment, while putting a gay nightclub in the cellar. But you put it much more eloquently than I would have done... :D | ||
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archonOOid
1983 Posts
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Man with a Plan
United States401 Posts
On April 18 2012 22:31 archonOOid wrote: The churches has always been empty, from my perspective. Why not fill them with a joyful activity or any other activity for that matter? That's deep. In what sense are they empty? Maybe not most catholic churchgoers think of jumping up and down and screaming halleluja as a way of celebrating mass. | ||
vGl-CoW
Belgium8305 Posts
On April 18 2012 22:04 fYlddnaHturtDyaWdmAi wrote: I beg your permission to pursue this line of thought to its extreme end. How would the general society, the catholics, the moralists, the immoralists, athiests, and humanity at lage feel if an old church is bought and reused as a prostitution house? Wow this is marvelous! I can imagine some religious people would be offended by reusing an old church as a prostitution house, which would be understandable, but I don't think it would be reasonable. As far as I'm concerned, the building stopped being a church as soon as it was sold. It is now a house that happens to be shaped like a church. If I personally owned an old church building, would I think it a good idea to turn it into a prostitution house? Probably not, but only out of pragmatic concerns, because I'd have to deal with a bunch of complaints, even though I feel they're being unreasonable. (FWIW, this issue depends a lot on the cultural context. If I turned an old church building into a prostitution house here in Belgium, it might make the local newspapers, but I'm pretty sure there would be virtually no outrage at all. If I tried the same thing in say, the US Bible Belt, I wouldn't be too surprised to find my building torched to the ground.) | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6226 Posts
On April 18 2012 22:17 Twelve12 wrote: It's pretty ridiculous that people would care about this. Don't want your church space being used for another purpose? don't sell it. Don't want your holy icons being used for something else? Remove them before you sell it. The liberty at which the religious use the 'offended' tag is so crazy. Many of the beliefs of the religious are deeply deeply offensive to me. The idea that a large bunch of very good and kind people are going to be tortured for eternity is very offensive to me. The contribution of the catholic church to the spread of aids in africa is very offensive to me. Yet if someone buys my property and wants to turn it into a church i wouldn't complain because i sold them my property. I really don't see the problem here ...really dude? If you actually read the thread, you'll find that pretty much every poster who's identified as a christian has said they're fine with it, bar one or two who seem to have minor reservations. It's obvious that you had a rant to get off your chest and this was a convenient excuse, but... really? These kinds of posts are why any thread that so much as mentioned the R word gets closed asap, despite 99% of people trying to have a reasonable discussion. | ||
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Mikau
Netherlands1446 Posts
On April 18 2012 22:26 frontliner2 wrote: In the Netherlands all Churches that get closed due to less and less Christianity all become changed to Mosques. Isn't it awesome?  ( :S ) What's wrong with supply and demand in this sense? If there's not enough christians to make use of the church, why not make sure the building doesn't go to waste? I'd say changing it into a mosque is actually better since it keeps the building being used as a place of faith. This coming from an atheist btw | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44200 Posts
On April 18 2012 22:30 fYlddnaHturtDyaWdmAi wrote: What about is places where prostitution is legal, say Amsterdam. Would that make a difference? I don't think so, but I also don't think that people generally advertise what buildings *used to be* before they were the current building. It's pretty much irrelevant, because it's not that building anymore. Completely different purpose, and it's taking away from the point of business, which is whatever the new building is selling or featuring or housing. If someone is against prostitution for religious reasons, then they probably wouldn't go into a brothel, regardless of whether or not the brothel used to be a church. If someone wants to go into a brothel, they're probably going to go regardless of the building's former constructions (church or not). | ||
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fYlddnaHturtDyaWdmAi
Israel157 Posts
On April 18 2012 22:36 vGl-CoW wrote: I can imagine some religious people would be offended by reusing an old church as a prostitution house, which would be understandable, but I don't think it would be reasonable. As far as I'm concerned, the building stopped being a church as soon as it was sold. It is now a house that happens to be shaped like a church. If I personally owned an old church building, would I think it a good idea to turn it into a prostitution house? Probably not, but only out of pragmatic concerns, because I'd have to deal with a bunch of complaints, even though I feel they're being unreasonable. (FWIW, this issue depends a lot on the cultural context. If I turned an old church building into a prostitution house here in Belgium, it might make the local newspapers, but I'm pretty sure there would be virtually no outrage at all. If I tried the same thing in say, the US Bible Belt, I wouldn't be too surprised to find my building torched to the ground.) I get what youre saying. | ||
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AlphaWhale
Australia328 Posts
On April 18 2012 22:30 fYlddnaHturtDyaWdmAi wrote: What about is places where prostitution is legal, say Amsterdam. Would that make a difference? The thing is, when somebody is "offended", nothing happens. The almighty authority today is money, if you have the money and the deal follows legal guidelines then you can do what you want. I could be offended for an art gallery being bought out to become a chain store or something equally shallow but I'm not going to get sanctimonious about it. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13889 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13889 Posts
On April 18 2012 22:40 AlphaWhale wrote: The thing is, when somebody is "offended", nothing happens. The almighty authority today is money, if you have the money and the deal follows legal guidelines then you can do what you want. I could be offended for an art gallery being bought out to become a chain store or something equally shallow but I'm not going to get sanctimonious about it. Actually when people get "offended" stuff does happen. its called the war on Christmas where everything has to be the holidays or its offending people. As well as moving nativity scenes that aren't hurting people and other atheists just being dicks about it. Don't be stupid just because Christians being offended doesn't matter anymore. | ||
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archonOOid
1983 Posts
On April 18 2012 22:35 Man with a Plan wrote: That's deep. In what sense are they empty? Maybe not most catholic churchgoers think of jumping up and down and screaming halleluja as a way of celebrating mass. I'm speaking from a philosophical, popular and moral perspective. If the echos of a lonely priest in a lonely church is a way of celebrating mass it surely feels like a hollow religion to me. | ||
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TheSwamp
United States1497 Posts
On April 18 2012 22:04 fYlddnaHturtDyaWdmAi wrote: I beg your permission to pursue this line of thought to its extreme end. How would the general society, the catholics, the moralists, the immoralists, athiests, and humanity at lage feel if an old church is bought and reused as a prostitution house? Wow this is marvelous! As long as it's legal wherever the church is located, it's fine. His point is that it is not a church anymore and it doesn't matter what happens to it. | ||
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Agathon
France1505 Posts
Exactly like castles, or any very old building, you must respect an awful list of specifications each time you want build, rebuilt or destroy something (Same if your house is near an historical building, it's forbidden to paint your outside walls in pink or blue for exemple) . Brothel are forbidden in France, but if it was allowed, i'm not sure how a brothel in a church would be considered...it doesn't destroy the building, but it's not vey good for it's image...Good question... | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13889 Posts
On April 18 2012 23:00 Agathon wrote: In France this case is a bit different because most of church are very very old, and the buildings (owned by the french State) are protected. You can buy few old unused churches, but you can't do anything you want with it because it's an historical monument, protected by french laws. Exactly like castles, or any very old building, you must respect an awful list of specifications each time you want build, rebuilt or destroy something (Same if your house is near an historical building, it's forbidden to paint your outside walls in pink or blue for exemple) . Brothel are forbidden in France, but if it was allowed, i'm not sure how a brothel in a church would be considered...it doesn't destroy the building, but it's not vey good for it's image...Good question... To be honest though in France you have things like cathedrals and other supper massive landmark pieces of architectural that changed the way that people forever built buildings while at the same time being supper massive pieces of art. They can't be preserved in a museum but they should still be respected for what they are. I would argue that there is no better example of architectural art in the world then the great cathedrals of Europe. | ||
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sharky246
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
On April 18 2012 21:37 paralleluniverse wrote: There is nothing wrong with desecrating crosses. It's not illegal. And it's not real. It depends on the contract no? And it depends on if the building is a historical artifact. In the US, if the building is considered historical, then you're legally not allowed to change it from its previous form. This could be anything from movie theaters to churches and is on the whim of local and state government. I don't see anything wrong with that. I don't think it's a valid reason to simply state that since you disagree with the beliefs that it is automatically not valid. Mutual respect is always the better deal. | ||
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