EPTBut humans have the power to choose. We actually can see negative and remove it from the universe!! Humans have so much potentiol. The ability to remove the flaws and negative sides of the universe, we have the power! Not stars, not water but us! And you say nature is always right, we are nature, we are the most advanced knowledge to our knowledge. If we were to remove killing and eating of other organisms and in a crazy sense turn lions and other meat eating animals to grass fed, what would be the downside? "It's not nature you messed up...you took away" The bad side of things. Survival of the fittest for 4 billions years or the way of peace and harmony and no lesser being disreguarded. Of course there are ways we still cant controll it but we can in our capable material world. It's purpose, Humans...................................So much Potentiol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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FrodoAndTheSlobStix
United States158 Posts
But humans have the power to choose. We actually can see negative and remove it from the universe!! Humans have so much potentiol. The ability to remove the flaws and negative sides of the universe, we have the power! Not stars, not water but us! And you say nature is always right, we are nature, we are the most advanced knowledge to our knowledge. If we were to remove killing and eating of other organisms and in a crazy sense turn lions and other meat eating animals to grass fed, what would be the downside? "It's not nature you messed up...you took away" The bad side of things. Survival of the fittest for 4 billions years or the way of peace and harmony and no lesser being disreguarded. Of course there are ways we still cant controll it but we can in our capable material world. It's purpose, Humans...................................So much Potentiol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 | ||
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
If dogs weren't domesticated and viewed in society as lovable pets, nobody would care in the slightest that they were eaten. So if we can 'mass produce' and slaughter huge varieties of farm animals, then it would be hypocritical to say dogs aren't allowed. | ||
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acerockolla
United States219 Posts
On April 15 2012 19:18 GornWood wrote: Well, there are to many dogs you exclude with this post what is with the ones that are left alone? There are so many people, who think it's okay to leave puppies alone and so the time goes on and some of the puppies survive some die and now there are additional dogs who weren't bred for anything what are you going to do with them? Who cares? Are you going to save them all? There are actual dog farms in Korea and other places that eat dog. The idea that people are kidnapping dogs from the streets is probably perpetuated by those wish to propogate their own views. | ||
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Animzor
Sweden2154 Posts
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shaftofpleasure
Korea (North)1375 Posts
On April 15 2012 19:21 acerockolla wrote: Who cares? Are you going to save them all? There are actual dog farms in Korea and other places that eat dog. The idea that people are kidnapping dogs from the streets is probably perpetuated by those wish to propogate their own views. Most countries have lots of stray dogs, and some of them are 'kidnapped' not to be eaten by people by to be fed on Zoo Animals like crocs. | ||
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acerockolla
United States219 Posts
On April 15 2012 19:19 FrodoAndTheSlobStix wrote: @acerokorolla. But humans have the power to choose. We actually can see negative and remove it from the universe!! Humans have so much potentiol. The ability to remove the flaws and negative sides of the universe, we have the power! Not stars, not water but us! And you say nature is always right, we are nature, we are the most advanced knowledge to our knowledge. If we were to remove killing and eating of other organisms and in a crazy sense turn lions and other meat eating animals to grass fed, what would be the downside? "It's not nature you messed up...you took away" The bad side of things. Survival of the fittest for 4 billions years or the way of peace and harmony and no lesser being disreguarded. Of course there are ways we still cant controll it but we can in our capable material world. It's purpose, Humans...................................So much Potentiol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 See negative and remove it from the universe? I understand and completely agree that humans have the potential for so much good. However, that's not the necessarily the case. Also, whether or not we eat animals, how do we stop other animals from eating each other? Don't get me wrong, I see where you are coming from. I understand that you wish to stop the death of animals that could perhaps live otherwise. When I see a cute puppy, I want nothing more to pet it, feed it, and love it. This would be the distinction between animals raised as pets or food, which could be the same animal in two difference places. Our differences stem from fundamentals differences in ontology. I say nature is the dominant force throughout the universe, whereas you think it's humans. If we weren't supposed to be eating animals, then I feel as though they should be arguing with me on this forum. Also, you obviously do not understand ecology and what niches animals and other organisms fit into. Not everyone can be a peace loving plant eater. Things exist in nature because that's the only way things can exist. If there was another way, it would happen. | ||
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Bartuc
Netherlands629 Posts
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FrodoAndTheSlobStix
United States158 Posts
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urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
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acerockolla
United States219 Posts
On April 15 2012 19:28 shaftofpleasure wrote: Most countries have lots of stray dogs, and some of them are 'kidnapped' not to be eaten by people by to be fed on Zoo Animals like crocs. Have you ever been in a country with stray dog problems? There was a big issue in Iraq in regards to stray dogs. These dogs.. well, they acted like dogs. They formed packs and acted like one might expect them to act. I don't know if that was the issue in whatever country you are imagining, but stray dogs in shitty countries aren't the same stray dogs you might find in the first world. | ||
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Connor987
United Kingdom103 Posts
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zeru
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shaftofpleasure
Korea (North)1375 Posts
On April 15 2012 19:36 acerockolla wrote: Have you ever been in a country with stray dog problems? There was a big issue in Iraq in regards to stray dogs. These dogs.. well, they acted like dogs. They formed packs and acted like one might expect them to act. I don't know if that was the issue in whatever country you are imagining, but stray dogs in shitty countries aren't the same stray dogs you might find in the first world. I actually live in a country with stray dog problems (Not in NK). We have dog pounds that if the captured dogs aren't sought after in a day or 2, they are immediately delivered to Zoos to be Animal Food. Chickens are expensive. | ||
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Thylacine
Sweden882 Posts
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acerockolla
United States219 Posts
On April 15 2012 19:47 shaftofpleasure wrote: I actually live in a country with stray dog problems (Not in NK). We have dog pounds that if the captured dogs aren't sought after in a day or 2, they are immediately delivered to Zoos to be Animal Food. Chickens are expensive. Well, it appears to me that the stray dog problem in your area is not so bad and is being dealt with rather pragmatically. I live in the US, where if dogs aren't sought after, they are euthanized. Being fed to the animals at the zoo seems like a good idea. If no one is going to care for them, they can either attack humans, die for no reason, or be food for other animals. I have watched stray dogs gather in packs and attack people, forcing them to open fire with automatic rifles. Stray dogs are animals. I understand the care and feelings for dogs raised as pets, but actual stray dogs are not animals to be adopted. | ||
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Dr_Strange
United States80 Posts
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acerockolla
United States219 Posts
On April 15 2012 19:52 Thylacine wrote: I don't know if dogs are bred to be eaten, but if that's true then that's fucking disgusting. Why breed an intelligent animal that is very social with humans just to eat it? SPECIALLY when there is other things to eat? by that I mean other meat. The dogs that are bred to be eaten are not very social with humans. This is what I'm trying to convey. The dog you know and love is a dog that you basically kidnapped from its birth and taught it to love and obey you. The dogs bred on farms are simply that, dogs left to their own devices until they are slaughtered for their meat. Pigs > dogs in many regards when it comes to pets, but you eat pigs and pet dogs.. I feel as though cultural relativism is a great concept, especially when it comes to animals. If this were a discussion about female genital circumcission, I'd be judging along with you, but it's an animal that you have chosen to value over some equivalent other animal. | ||
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acerockolla
United States219 Posts
On April 15 2012 19:55 Dr_Strange wrote: Replace dog with wolf and it still isn't really okay for most people. The thing about meat is that other than sealife, we dont feed on predators. Pretty much anything that eats red meat we tend not to eat. It doesn't have to do with domestication or anything. I agree with this argument for the most part, but people don't argue this. They argue ethnocentric perspectives where the dog is more on the level of humans. I don't eat dog and never will. It'd just be nice if people could step outside of their own little bubble of a life for an instant. As I've said already, perhaps one billion Hindus find cows sacred, yet many of us chow down on delicious beef. Animals are animals. Pets are pets. Not every animal that happens to be the same type of your pet is a pet. | ||
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Animzor
Sweden2154 Posts
On April 15 2012 19:52 Thylacine wrote: I don't know if dogs are bred to be eaten, but if that's true then that's fucking disgusting. Why breed an intelligent animal that is very social with humans just to eat it? SPECIALLY when there is other things to eat? by that I mean other meat. It's just as disgusting as breeding pigs to be eaten. I would personally rather have a pig as a pet because they are so playful, intelligent and loyal. EXACTLY like dogs. Why eat pigs when we can eat dogs? Other than the fact that the quality of meat is different, there is no moral reason to not eat dogs instead. | ||
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dmfg
United Kingdom591 Posts
On April 15 2012 18:45 FrodoAndTheSlobStix wrote: It's so sad that people eat meat so they, out of guilt, say it's ok to eat dog, knowing if they don't it will flaw the philosophy of eating meat. Animals dont need to died so you can eat meat. They just dont! Bend down rip som grass from the floor and shove it in your mouth! You'll survive! No one will even begin to logically debate with thm selves whether it's wrong or not, because they subconsciously know they wouldnt be able to stop or even consider it. Try me. I guarntee I can slam ANY argumetn against not eating meat. It's like trying to prove me guilty of murder , Im not afraid because Im innocent, so theres nothing u can possibly say because your wrong. I love the open mindedness here. People have different moral values, and just because someone doesn't agree with your personal values doesn't make them automatically wrong. | ||
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