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gulati
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2241 Posts
March 14 2012 03:01 GMT
#261
You are bacon up a crazy story here, sir.

I love bacon. I'll eat it while I'm on my death bed.
C r u m b l i n g
spacemonkeyy
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia477 Posts
March 14 2012 03:01 GMT
#262
On March 14 2012 11:57 Chargelot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 11:53 spacemonkeyy wrote:
On March 14 2012 11:51 Chargelot wrote:
On March 14 2012 11:44 spacemonkeyy wrote:
On March 14 2012 11:29 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Anytime the Mrs. gets going with her veggies, they're either breaded, fried, soaked in butter, or covered in sour cream or cream cheese. That's the problem with a lot of psuedo-healthy minded people. They eat iceberg lettuce (basically garbage) with a pound of ranch dressing (basically lard) and think they're abstaining from unhealthy foods? Of course, I know why people like the Mrs. do all of this... because veggies are incredibly, incredibly bland and it takes soooo much work to really like them, or you need to love them during your youth. Otherwise, it's an uphill struggle.

My solution? Fruits! Fruits and grains. Fruits are sosososo delicious. And good for you.


Well you talk about people thinking they are abstaining from unhealthy foods when really they are not but think that lard is unhealthy. Ranch dressing bought at the store is but the fat component of lard is healthy- at least in a balanced diet. Think carbs as the enemy not animal and nut fats.


I'm pretty sure 100% pure pig fat is not really that healthy, unless it's all you eat for the day, and in really small amounts.


Why because it will clog up your arteries? Thats not how it works (if the pigs are healthy the fat isnt too bad)


Um. Okay. Eating a bullet wouldn't clog up my arteries either, doesn't make it healthy.
If you don't like that comparison, I challenge you to eat a pound of lard per week for the next year. I'll pay for your funeral.


Just saying that if you understood the metabolism of fats and carbs that you will see that a lot of the bad stuff about fat is malligned. Demonized based on the fat hypothesis and that everyones cholesterol should be minimised by avoiding fat. I'm not saying eat the bad fats- they are obviously bad (transfats particualrly). If your running a surplus of carbs you will be doing far more damage IMO.
Lobotomist
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1541 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 05:16:40
March 14 2012 03:02 GMT
#263
On March 14 2012 03:57 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
Bacon industry needs to do more lobbying. This negativity is unacceptable.
Hahahaha, definitely the first time I've heard someone demand MORE lobbying
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AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 03:06:59
March 14 2012 03:04 GMT
#264
quoted wrong person
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
March 14 2012 03:05 GMT
#265
On March 14 2012 11:00 spacemonkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 10:53 Pro]ChoSen- wrote:
Here's a general rule for you to live by. If most people think it tastes really good then it is bad for you. If most people don't like to eat it then it is good for you.

That statement will hold true 99% of the time. This isn't shocking in the least bit. Almost everything people enjoy to eat isn't healthy for you to consume.


Taste is so subjective though. People get literally addicted to carbs and sugars. Once you ween yourself off them you can find plenty of great tasting food which is good for you. Berries for example personally would much rather eat a punnet of fresh raspberries over any candy and raspberries are oh so nutritious.


I don't see any support for the literal clinical support for an actual addiction to carbs and sugars. I think the claim here can be likened to somebody saying they're addicted to American Idol or chocolate. It's said based on how much they like doing something when no addiction is present.
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
March 14 2012 03:10 GMT
#266
who the hell is paying these people to talk so decisively, when so clearly their study is constantly bullshit
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NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1603 Posts
March 14 2012 03:23 GMT
#267
These posts and studies keep coming up all the time.....

You are going to do eventually. Attempt to cut out things that are bad for you and live life in the best possible way for you. If you happen to pass on at 35 at least you gave it a shot in the end you won't remember anything anyways, but you won't have left a stain behind.
lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
March 14 2012 03:25 GMT
#268
100% of people will die at some point.
100%-X will die sad
X will die happy

Bacon lives in the X group.
By the truth we are undone. Life is a dream. Tis waking that kills us. He who robs us of our dreams robs us of our life --Orlando: A Biography
Kraidio
Profile Joined May 2011
China133 Posts
March 14 2012 03:28 GMT
#269
Bacon = death?

No, no that's not right at all.

Bacon or death!
A man does what he must — in spite of personal consequences, in spite of obstacles and dangers, and pressures — and that is the basis of all human morality.
NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1603 Posts
March 14 2012 03:33 GMT
#270
On March 14 2012 12:25 lorkac wrote:
100% of people will die at some point.
100%-X will die sad
X will die happy

Bacon lives in the X group.


You do know you're not allowed to have two different meanings for a single variable right?
Try Y or Z
Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 03:44:36
March 14 2012 03:39 GMT
#271
On March 14 2012 12:33 NoobSkills wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 12:25 lorkac wrote:
100% of people will die at some point.
100%-X will die sad
X will die happy

Bacon lives in the X group.


You do know you're not allowed to have two different meanings for a single variable right?
Try Y or Z


Maybe he's talking about set theory.

Also bacon doesn't kill you. Worrying about bacon killing you probably kills just as fast, if not faster than bacon.

If I'm wrong someone find me the LD50 of bacon. You can't because there isn't one.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12737 Posts
March 14 2012 03:52 GMT
#272
bacon with chocolate. sweet jesus mother of god holy BBQOMFGWTF
why I have never thought of that!
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Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
March 14 2012 03:58 GMT
#273
On March 14 2012 12:33 NoobSkills wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 12:25 lorkac wrote:
100% of people will die at some point.
100%-X will die sad
X will die happy

Bacon lives in the X group.


You do know you're not allowed to have two different meanings for a single variable right?
Try Y or Z

i dont see how X has 2 different meaning

if 100 people will die happy then X=100
so if 100% means 10 000 then the what he said is

10 000 people will die
10 000 - 100 will die sad
100 will die happy
scarper65
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1560 Posts
March 14 2012 04:00 GMT
#274
Bacon is easily worth it.
ravenKRaz
Profile Joined March 2011
United States580 Posts
March 14 2012 04:08 GMT
#275
ya this isn't really gonna stop anyone from eating bacon...
DarkneSS.1360
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
March 14 2012 04:12 GMT
#276
20% is pretty damn high and its everyones favorite breakfast.
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
salle
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden5554 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 04:29:07
March 14 2012 04:25 GMT
#277
I should probably read all of the replies but this whole study seems quite weird to me... why is the issue of differences in size of calories these people take in not brought up as a quite big variable in the article or explained away, for the Health Professional Follow-up study there's a difference from 1659 to 2396 kcal/d between the group that eats the least amount of red meats to the group that eats the most. the Nurses' Health Study had a similar difference with 1202 to 2030 kcal/d. I would say that THAT is a quite big difference in life style, which could also explain the increased risk of death. but they glance over it saying "In addition, a higher red meat intake was associated with a higher intake of total energy [...]" but that was it.
Also no where in the table do they show like % of meals they cook themselves, ready meals they put in the oven/micro, if they visit a dietist, amount of cigarettes they smoke, if they're in a happy relationship, if they have any mental problems like depression or anxiety and if they're on any medications. They might have, but not included it in the table, but isn't that things you'd like to point out specifically to like say "we crossed all t's and dotted all i's for this"?

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itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
March 14 2012 04:28 GMT
#278
Quite the title, haha

I thought it was common knowledge that bacon wasn't very good for you, I mean, just look at all the grease that comes out when you fry it.

Also, my dad is always warning me away from red meats, so I try and stick to chicken instead in my own cooking. And fish as well if it wasn't so expensive :O
=)=
Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
March 14 2012 04:29 GMT
#279
As a wise man once said...

"It's always the things we love that end up destroying us."
Even a Savior couldn't fix all problems. www.twitch.tv/xJugan
ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
March 14 2012 04:33 GMT
#280
On March 14 2012 13:25 salle wrote:
I should probably read all of the replies but this whole study seems quite weird to me... why is the issue of differences in size of calories these people take in not brought up as a quite big variable in the article or explained away, for the Health Professional Follow-up study there's a difference from 1659 to 2396 kcal/d between the group that eats the least amount of red meats to the group that eats the most. the Nurses' Health Study had a similar difference with 1202 to 2030 kcal/d. I would say that THAT is a quite big difference in life style, which could also explain the increased risk of death. but they glance over it saying "In addition, a higher red meat intake was associated with a higher intake of total energy [...]" but that was it.
Also no where in the table do they show the level of active life style or health conciousness people might be. Like % of meals they cook themselves, ready meals they put in the oven/micro, if they visit a dietist, amount of cigarettes they smoke, their weight, if they're in a happy relationship, if they have any mental problems like depression or anxiety and if they're on any medications. They might have, but not included it in the table, but isn't that things you'd like to point out specifically to like say "we crossed all t's and dotted all i's for this"?



Those first table shows the aggregate data for each quintile to give you a sense of what the groups look like. When they do the analyses on mortality they take into account caloric intake, lifestyle etc. That's what pops up under the multivariate analysis row for the mortality tables. If you want to know the full list of what they controlled for look at the statistical analysis paragraph.
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