EPTBlizzard Announces Staff Reductions - Page 8
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NoctemSC
United States771 Posts
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lpstroggoz
New Zealand30 Posts
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darkest44
United States1009 Posts
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me_viet
Australia1350 Posts
On March 01 2012 06:55 darkest44 wrote: That changes nothing. Everyone "works their ass off". He did not work 300+ times harder or put in 300+ times more hours than the dude risking his very sanity doing customer support all day (people can be real big dicks) who might have been in the company just as long and still makes 40,000 max a year or something. But hey we're brainwashed in America to believe capitalism is all roses and rainbows and greed is a good thing. So go ahead and believe one human being is worth hundreds or sometimes thousands of times (in the case of billionaires) more than another human being, it's your right to believe whatever you want. I'm fine with someone getting paid tens of times more than another person because there needs to be some incentive to get higher degrees and work hard etc, but not hundreds or thousands times as much. It's sad how all the benefits and stock bonuses etc go all to the guys who already get paid the most, while the average employees usually get diddly squat and then gets fired in mass lay offs so the stock holders/ceos/execs can make higher profits. I am not looking for arguments, I was simply stating my opinion and sending my thoughts out to those who are losing their jobs in the all consuming interest of more profits for the stockholders/owners. what are you talking about? Have you even joined the workforce yet? "Everyone "works their ass off". He did not work 300+ times harder or put in 300+ times more hours than the dude risking his very sanity doing customer support all day (people can be real big dicks) who might have been in the company just as long" . Matter of fact, yes, these people who are CEOs very likely DID work their asses off 300+ times more to get to those positions. You don't just 'get' a CEO position, sure some might have a lucky leg up through connections and joined the company in some entry level position but they still fought their way up the corporate ladder, but afaik, no company hires their CEO by just picking some bloke off the street "lucky you, you walked past just when we needed a new CEO" - style.Also, that person doing customer support, what sort of qualifications do you think you need for that? All CEOs of long-standing companies afaik, have at least a uni degree + years of experience in their field. That's your 300+ times hardwork right there. Hard fact is, yes to the company, the CEO IS worth 300+ - 1000 times more than "the dude risking his very sanity doing customer support all day", that dude isn't forced to work there, he chose when he joined, that 'yes I am okay getting paid this much to do this job'. If not, there's always the option of leaving and finding a more suitable role. The dude himself accepts the price the company valued him at by continuously working there. Fact is, it's your attitude of 'QQ ceo's and execs gets paid so much more than me QQ" that is killing us, maybe instead of sitting there qq'ing about how much CEOs get paid, go do something, get a degree or get a job or both and think of what you can do and to be worth that much to a company. On March 01 2012 07:54 darkest44 wrote: ...CEOs are all incredible people worth hundreds and thousands of other people... ....In a vaccum, yes, no life is worth more than another, but at a company, with people doing a specialised job, yes matter of fact the CEO IS worth more to the company than Average Joe working on the floor. Average Joe accepts that and so continues to work there. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On March 01 2012 07:54 darkest44 wrote: "Uneducated" rofl. You know nothing about me, nor my education and my job, you'd be very fucking surprised. Just because I don't buy into the brainwashing we've been put through that CEOs are all incredible people worth hundreds and thousands of other people, doesn't mean I'm not educated. But it's cool, I'm used to the same reactions like this in America where we worship the rich. No human being is worth hundreds or thousands of other human beings putting in the same hours. That is my opinion. You have your opinion, that is fine. Calling me uneducated is just a pathetic and hilarious joke, when you know nothing about me and quite typical really. What about the president? | ||
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HaiFiSCH26
Bulgaria91 Posts
On March 01 2012 05:23 Zaqwert wrote: This is actually the problem with public companies. Private companies can have a soul, if the owner(s) care more about quality and people than money, the company works that way. I've worked for some private companies who had very generous and wonderful owners. They would choose to make 100 million and have employees be happy and make wonderful products than make 120 million and have employees be miserably and churn out crap. However with a publicly traded company, everything is impersonal. The stockholders are the owners and people who buy ActivisionBlizzard stock dont' give a damn about anything other than wanting their stock to go higher. Once a company goes public they are a slave to the stock price, they exist only to make it go up or to increase dividends. Everyone should have seen Blizzard's soul departing the second they no longer were owned by a few guys who had hearts and souls and instead owned by millions of faceless people who just see numbers on a spreadsheet. Such is life. Give it another decade and things will get really bad. Blizz will be churning out a lot of uninspired crap I fear. ye things like this makes me really sad and i think taht most of the people dont understand the meaning of this they are like "im palying my game i dont care about the world around me i have a good game and i dont give a shit who owns the company"which is really sad because soon everything will be capitals and stocks and big companies who choke the little ones...soon no1 will really be able to open a new and sucsessfull buisness,but dont bother knowing stuff lile this because when you dont its much easier to live your life,work to be "midclass" and just breathe and survive your way trough your life. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
This is why money is awesome - self-interest promotes quality. Blizzard has a large amount of money, and a community (or, rather, three) that are fueling this pot of money in exchange for three awesome series. So with the obscene amount of money Mike Morhaime is making, he'll want to either make more or at least keep that flow going. And to keep the flow going, Blizz needs to stay quality. Let's say they are purely money-centric, and starting today, they abandon their current stance on SC2 for a cheap, mass-market tactic. Maybe they'll get a new community who will lap that up, but in the meantime they just lost the old community who wanted quality StarCraft. You can hear it in people who are waiting for HotS, that they are okay with Blizz delaying the game because they want product quality over faster release dates. That's why we waited 12 years for SC2 to come out. TL;DR - Blizz isn't trying to be a mean greedy corporation because the moment they do, we stop giving them our money. | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
On March 01 2012 07:51 lpstroggoz wrote: blizzards golden years were over about 5 years ago. they have lost almost all of their good employees. matt ueleman, the people who are now at arena net that made blizzard. i'm just wondering how long they can keep going before they wane out of existence. they will last a while longer i guess considering the standards of the gaming industry these days. I was thinking more of 2003-2004 right before everyone jumped shipped with wow 99% done, started rushing out unfinished products not giving a damn about anything but their stock holders | ||
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.Aar
2177 Posts
Not blaming them, just observing. | ||
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FidoDido
United States1292 Posts
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Hoodlum
United States350 Posts
On March 01 2012 08:10 NotSorry wrote: I was thinking more of 2003-2004 right before everyone jumped shipped with wow 99% done, started rushing out unfinished products not giving a damn about anything but their stock holders With WoW being the biggest cash cow ever and people going crazy over the release of Diablo 3 not to mention the next two installments of SC2, call me crazy but I think blizzard is gonna be juuusssstttt fine. | ||
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onedayclose
United States1145 Posts
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alhazrel
98 Posts
On March 01 2012 03:52 mrafaeldie12 wrote: I hate when people say "release" instead of fired, such alleviation is retarded. I imagine this decision has to do with Koticks 100% profit or hit the road strategy. It makes a big difference on your résumé. Because, y'know, being fired/dismissed and being released/made redundant are totally different. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
really disapointing. if it was mcdonalds or whatever laying off people i would obviously understand, they are in the business of making money and everyone knows it, but companies like blizzard try to convey themselves as being part of their own communities and someone who is almost a friend. if they dont prioritize support staff then it shows they arent actually interested in communities or friendships and are only in it for the money. dont normally like to be part of the tin foil hat team but it really feels like since they partnered with activision their priorities have completely changed | ||
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D4V3Z02
Germany693 Posts
On March 01 2012 08:21 turdburgler wrote: good to know blizzard think 24-48 hour wait times on support tickets while they rake in millions is too much flab on the company ;/ really disapointing. if it was mcdonalds or whatever laying off people i would obviously understand, they are in the business of making money and everyone knows it, but companies like blizzard try to convey themselves as being part of their own communities and someone who is almost a friend. if they dont prioritize support staff then it shows they arent actually interested in communities or friendships and are only in it for the money. dont normally like to be part of the tin foil hat team but it really feels like since they partnered with activision their priorities have completely changed Because they just gave away their games for free before they partnered with activision? "For the Community!" | ||
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TrojanSC2
United States82 Posts
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Zaqwert
United States411 Posts
There is a strong correlation between quality and profit, but not always. Sometimes lesser quality will produce maximum profit. When a small, upstart gaming company gets going, it's usually by a few people who truly appreciate the art form. They want to make great games, and that's their #1 goal, they figure if they make a great game they will also make money. Contrast that with a large public corporation run by drones who don't care about the art form, just the end result ($). They always attempt to maximize profit. To them the game is simply product, simply widgets to be churned out and sold. It seems counter intuative, but as companies get larger and more succesful the quality of their product often decreases. It becomes homoginzed, safe, and predictable. There are still people at Blizzard who are passionate gamers and very idealistic, however they don't run the show anymore. At the end of the day they give their input but if compromising the game's quality will produce more profit, that's what will happen now unfortunately. | ||
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freeshooter
United States477 Posts
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
On March 01 2012 04:50 royal.cze wrote: I wonder if Mikey boy took a salary cut. Compensation for 2010 Salary $749,665.00 Bonus $381,950.00 Restricted stock awards $5,583,600.00 All other compensation $23,908.00 Option awards $ $2,473,817.00 Non-equity incentive plan compensation $7,331,214.00 Change in pension value and nonqualified deferred compensation earnings $0.00 Total Compensation $16,544,154.00 Why wouldn't Morhaime make as much money as he does? He's one of the original founders. He's one of the people who made Blizzard what it is today. It's like saying Bill Gates does not deserve his huge paycheck. Believe it or not, some people deserve to get paid well. | ||
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ZeroCartin
Costa Rica2390 Posts
and that our development teams in particular remain largely unaffected by today's announcement Sam Yan, Blizzard 3d artist for Diablo just posted he got fired on his facebook Its a sad day for 600 of us today including myself at Blizzard, Thank you to those of you who had been there with me for the 4 years on StarCraft II..not just as a fellow employee but have treated me as a friend outside of the workplace. My time at Blizzard has given me such an eye opening industry experience I will hold onto for the rest of my career. Today is not a loss, but the start of a brand new chapter towards my entrepreneurship that I've always dreamed of for those who know me personally, SO FRIGGIN CHEERS TO THAT!! :D WOOoooooo!!!!!! I really look forward to finally be able to spend more time with my family and friends again back in Vancouver. See you all soon =) I guess no one is safe. | ||
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Make millions of profits ? Fire people.
