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On August 27 2018 14:53 DropBear wrote:
University. Mass shooting
High school. Mass shooting
Primary school. Mass shooting
Church. Mass shooting
Military base. Mass shooting
Nightclub. Mass shooting
Movie theatre. Mass shooting
Christmas party. Mass shooting
Music festival. Mass shooting
Video game tourney. Mass shooting
All of these since 2012. How are you meant to go to a public place in the US at this point? Any type of gathering has been targeted.
The real question is how we all survived since Columbine, 1999. Or hell, how we all survived since birth, since the average incidence of these mass shootings has hardly moved in 1980s 1990s 2000s 2010s.
On August 27 2018 15:07 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2018 14:53 DropBear wrote:
University. Mass shooting
High school. Mass shooting
Primary school. Mass shooting
Church. Mass shooting
Military base. Mass shooting
Nightclub. Mass shooting
Movie theatre. Mass shooting
Christmas party. Mass shooting
Music festival. Mass shooting
Video game tourney. Mass shooting
All of these since 2012. How are you meant to go to a public place in the US at this point? Any type of gathering has been targeted.
You are more likely to die while driving your car to work, so I guess we should all quit our jobs too. Time to close down society.
Yeah, I don't want to live my life picking public places that have never been targeted by mass shootings. How about high rises, since they've been targeted by explosives and planes? Pedestrian walkways that have been targeted by drive-by gang gun violence and radical Islamic terrorism? I understand the idea of combating criminals and the mentally unstable with guns, but not putting locations of mass shootings on a list like mass shooting tragedies specifically have to be your #1 worry for your death.
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On August 27 2018 15:07 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2018 14:53 DropBear wrote:
University. Mass shooting
High school. Mass shooting
Primary school. Mass shooting
Church. Mass shooting
Military base. Mass shooting
Nightclub. Mass shooting
Movie theatre. Mass shooting
Christmas party. Mass shooting
Music festival. Mass shooting
Video game tourney. Mass shooting
All of these since 2012. How are you meant to go to a public place in the US at this point? Any type of gathering has been targeted.
You are more likely to die while driving your car to work, so I guess we should all quit our jobs too. Time to close down society.
I know the point you're making but gun violence in America is such a problem that your statement isn't completely true. Apparently you're more likely to die from a gun-related assault than dying inside a motor vehicle. The odds for police related death and mass shooting (incident with 3+ deaths) are also higher than they really should be.
Yeah, I don't want to live my life picking public places that have never been targeted by mass shootings. How about high rises, since they've been targeted by explosives and planes? Pedestrian walkways that have been targeted by drive-by gang gun violence and radical Islamic terrorism? I understand the idea of combating criminals and the mentally unstable with guns, but not putting locations of mass shootings on a list like mass shooting tragedies specifically have to be your #1 worry for your death.
Anecdotally but I have no doubt its impacting how people react in public environments. The last time I was in Texas visiting some friends and family, we went to see a movie. Someone decided to shuffle over to check the emergency exit, which prompted everyone in the back row to scoot over closer to the exit as if they were expecting something to happen. This is something that wouldn't have happened in Australia.
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
Jesus fucking christ, I just saw the video... and I'm out of words.
You come to simply enjoy the goddamn video game tournament and such shit happens.
That red dot on guys shirt, christ....
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On August 27 2018 10:15 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2018 09:03 thePunGun wrote:On August 27 2018 08:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 27 2018 08:21 SetStndbySmn wrote:On August 27 2018 07:38 Sent. wrote:
Can anyone who used to or still does frequent gaming tournaments in the US describe how do security measures at those events look like? I'm guessing they're minimal at smaller tournaments, I'm mostly curious about bigger titles. The MLG event I went to in Raleigh a number of years ago had a decent amount of security. I can't remember if there were metal detectors, but there was a noticeable amount of security personnel. Nearly all sporting events have the works though. The smaller stuff- i.e. events that take place in stores/bars- generally has next to nothing as far as security goes. The Jacksonville Landing is a mall area, so may have had mall security. Just keep in mind the US is a pretty darn big place and the variance in violent occurrences can be night and day. I've heard from relatives who live in the area that violence in Jacksonville has been a problem recently, but that's hearsay. i'm going to Tecmo Madison in April next year. I hope there is zero security. it preserves the fun of the event. I advise you to reconsider your priorites, getting home alive from an event and not in a casket is pretty high up in my list.... A gaming event does not need backpack searching etc. If you reach the point where searching backpacks is preferable to gun control then something has gone badly wrong. Similar to putting toddlers in body armour etc.
Gun control won't prevent anyone from bringing a knife or a bag of coke in their bag.
Interesting how it's normal to search bags at all cultural events in Europez despite our already strict gun laws and USA seems against either.
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can someone link the vid that shows the red dot and stuff?
im not sure im watching the same vid as everyone else
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
On August 27 2018 16:53 evilfatsh1t wrote:
can someone link the vid that shows the red dot and stuff?
im not sure im watching the same vid as everyone else
+ Show Spoiler +
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I suggest to everyone to not watch that video. There's no gore, but the sound is intact. You can hear the screams and the gunshots. I really regret watching it myself
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United States24803 Posts
On August 27 2018 16:03 Womwomwom wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2018 15:07 Jealous wrote:On August 27 2018 14:53 DropBear wrote:
University. Mass shooting
High school. Mass shooting
Primary school. Mass shooting
Church. Mass shooting
Military base. Mass shooting
Nightclub. Mass shooting
Movie theatre. Mass shooting
Christmas party. Mass shooting
Music festival. Mass shooting
Video game tourney. Mass shooting
All of these since 2012. How are you meant to go to a public place in the US at this point? Any type of gathering has been targeted.
You are more likely to die while driving your car to work, so I guess we should all quit our jobs too. Time to close down society. I know the point you're making but gun violence in America is such a problem that your statement isn't completely true. Apparently you're more likely to die from a gun-related assault than dying inside a motor vehicle. The odds for police related death and mass shooting (incident with 3+ deaths) are also higher than they really should be.
Since all of those examples were of mass shootings, it makes more sense to compare the odds of dying in a mass shooting, which is low compared to the odds of dying in a car or from any gun violence. The fact that dying via gun is more likely than dying in a car accident does surprise me, but for most if not all of the Americans on TL it probably isn't true, even if it is true, on average, for an American.
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On August 27 2018 19:47 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2018 16:03 Womwomwom wrote:On August 27 2018 15:07 Jealous wrote:On August 27 2018 14:53 DropBear wrote:
University. Mass shooting
High school. Mass shooting
Primary school. Mass shooting
Church. Mass shooting
Military base. Mass shooting
Nightclub. Mass shooting
Movie theatre. Mass shooting
Christmas party. Mass shooting
Music festival. Mass shooting
Video game tourney. Mass shooting
All of these since 2012. How are you meant to go to a public place in the US at this point? Any type of gathering has been targeted.
You are more likely to die while driving your car to work, so I guess we should all quit our jobs too. Time to close down society. I know the point you're making but gun violence in America is such a problem that your statement isn't completely true. Apparently you're more likely to die from a gun-related assault than dying inside a motor vehicle. The odds for police related death and mass shooting (incident with 3+ deaths) are also higher than they really should be. The fact that dying via gun is more likely than dying in a car accident does surprise me, but for most if not all of the Americans on TL it probably isn't true, even if it is true, on average, for an American.
wat?
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United States24803 Posts
On August 27 2018 19:51 TRAP[yoo] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2018 19:47 micronesia wrote:On August 27 2018 16:03 Womwomwom wrote:On August 27 2018 15:07 Jealous wrote:On August 27 2018 14:53 DropBear wrote:
University. Mass shooting
High school. Mass shooting
Primary school. Mass shooting
Church. Mass shooting
Military base. Mass shooting
Nightclub. Mass shooting
Movie theatre. Mass shooting
Christmas party. Mass shooting
Music festival. Mass shooting
Video game tourney. Mass shooting
All of these since 2012. How are you meant to go to a public place in the US at this point? Any type of gathering has been targeted.
You are more likely to die while driving your car to work, so I guess we should all quit our jobs too. Time to close down society. I know the point you're making but gun violence in America is such a problem that your statement isn't completely true. Apparently you're more likely to die from a gun-related assault than dying inside a motor vehicle. The odds for police related death and mass shooting (incident with 3+ deaths) are also higher than they really should be. The fact that dying via gun is more likely than dying in a car accident does surprise me, but for most if not all of the Americans on TL it probably isn't true, even if it is true, on average, for an American. wat?
For example, I live in a stable part of my city where gun violence isn't really a thing. If I lived on the other side of the city where gang violence is prevalent then I'd be much more likely to become a statistic. The users of TL, on average, probably have a very low likelihood of being gang members or living in the parts of the US with the bulk of the gun violence. My basis for this is that gangs and esports like starcraft don't seem to overlap much, although it's probably not quite zero overlap.
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On August 27 2018 17:02 739 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2018 16:53 evilfatsh1t wrote:
can someone link the vid that shows the red dot and stuff?
im not sure im watching the same vid as everyone else + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzfK-ir1Zt8
damn. was it confirmed that the guy who had the laser on him was killed?
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What exactly are you arguing here micronesia? It is more statistically likely that you will die from gun than from a road accident. Not only is your statements unsubstantiated, but even if it was true, it is pretty disgusting that the gist of your argument is that we, people just who happen to play broodwar are less likely to suffer death from gun than death from car, so it's ok that people who happen not to play broodwar are more likely to die from gun than car.
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United States24803 Posts
I never said it was ok or not okay. Look back at the original conversation. My first point was to suggest a better comparison be made. My second point was that even if you make the less appropriate comparison, when you take into account that the person in question is a TL user, the claim is likely false since gun violence is far from homogeneous in American society. That does not make high gun death rates okay somehow.
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Kids are getting shot playing video games and then we argue about the statistical likelihood of it happening. If it's happening more than zero times it's too much!
It's unlikely so never mind, you don't need to do anything. This is the argument from the John Oliver interview of that pro gun guy. "Whoop dee doo, there are so few of them!"
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On August 27 2018 21:21 micronesia wrote:
I never said it was ok or not okay. Look back at the original conversation. My first point was to suggest a better comparison be made. My second point was that even if you make the less appropriate comparison, when you take into account that the person in question is a TL user, the claim is likely false since gun violence is far from homogeneous in American society. That does not make high gun death rates okay somehow. Then what's your point? To beleive your argument, then we, the average American TL user, are personally are less likely to die from gun than car, whilst for other people the statistics are skewed even worse for them to die from gun than car. The claim is still true, and nothing has changed other than your belief that the statistic is wrong for you personally.
The comparison is apt, yours that you only care about people who play BW is not. Yours is unsubstantiated anyways, and to take your assertation as truth gives the pretty disgusting viewpoint that since other people don't play BW, it doesn't matter if they are more likely to die from gun than car.
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Statistically, one could argue that very few black men were lynched from 1900 to 1970. The number is quite small compared to the overall population of black men through out those times. It’s not a useful way to discuss lynchings, however.
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And of course micronesia just basically ignored that a bunch of gamers just got shot so it's hard to take his assertation at face value anyways.
But even if it was true, my family and friends (bad taste in friends I know) doesn't visit TL. They don't play BW. Apparently we should just not care about them either. Their lives don't matter if they are more likely to die from gun than car.
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Don't think this thread has 4 wheel drive, please don't take it off-road.... 
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On August 27 2018 20:44 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2018 17:02 739 wrote:On August 27 2018 16:53 evilfatsh1t wrote:
can someone link the vid that shows the red dot and stuff?
im not sure im watching the same vid as everyone else + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzfK-ir1Zt8 damn. was it confirmed that the guy who had the laser on him was killed?
It sure looks like it. He went by the tag "True" I think
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On August 27 2018 22:11 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2018 20:44 evilfatsh1t wrote:On August 27 2018 17:02 739 wrote:On August 27 2018 16:53 evilfatsh1t wrote:
can someone link the vid that shows the red dot and stuff?
im not sure im watching the same vid as everyone else + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzfK-ir1Zt8 damn. was it confirmed that the guy who had the laser on him was killed? It sure looks like it. He went by the tag "True" I think
He's been confirmed dead afaik. I'm not even sad, I'm just angry. And I'm angry that other people aren't angry.
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