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On August 27 2018 20:44 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2018 17:02 739 wrote:On August 27 2018 16:53 evilfatsh1t wrote:
can someone link the vid that shows the red dot and stuff?
im not sure im watching the same vid as everyone else + Show Spoiler + damn. was it confirmed that the guy who had the laser on him was killed?
Yeah 
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On August 27 2018 22:19 HsDLTitich wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2018 22:11 darthfoley wrote:On August 27 2018 20:44 evilfatsh1t wrote:On August 27 2018 17:02 739 wrote:On August 27 2018 16:53 evilfatsh1t wrote:
can someone link the vid that shows the red dot and stuff?
im not sure im watching the same vid as everyone else + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzfK-ir1Zt8 damn. was it confirmed that the guy who had the laser on him was killed? It sure looks like it. He went by the tag "True" I think He's been confirmed dead afaik. I'm not even sad, I'm just angry. And I'm angry that other people aren't angry.
I thought to look around the gaming community (beyond TL) to see how this was being approached, TL is unique. I mean the thread title pretty much says it all.
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Northern Ireland22213 Posts
On August 27 2018 10:15 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2018 09:03 thePunGun wrote:On August 27 2018 08:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 27 2018 08:21 SetStndbySmn wrote:On August 27 2018 07:38 Sent. wrote:
Can anyone who used to or still does frequent gaming tournaments in the US describe how do security measures at those events look like? I'm guessing they're minimal at smaller tournaments, I'm mostly curious about bigger titles. The MLG event I went to in Raleigh a number of years ago had a decent amount of security. I can't remember if there were metal detectors, but there was a noticeable amount of security personnel. Nearly all sporting events have the works though. The smaller stuff- i.e. events that take place in stores/bars- generally has next to nothing as far as security goes. The Jacksonville Landing is a mall area, so may have had mall security. Just keep in mind the US is a pretty darn big place and the variance in violent occurrences can be night and day. I've heard from relatives who live in the area that violence in Jacksonville has been a problem recently, but that's hearsay. i'm going to Tecmo Madison in April next year. I hope there is zero security. it preserves the fun of the event. I advise you to reconsider your priorites, getting home alive from an event and not in a casket is pretty high up in my list.... A gaming event does not need backpack searching etc. If you reach the point where searching backpacks is preferable to gun control then something has gone badly wrong. Similar to putting toddlers in body armour etc.
nonsense, ESL Birmingham as a recent example had bag searches and patdowns.
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On August 27 2018 23:01 ahswtini wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2018 10:15 KwarK wrote:On August 27 2018 09:03 thePunGun wrote:On August 27 2018 08:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 27 2018 08:21 SetStndbySmn wrote:On August 27 2018 07:38 Sent. wrote:
Can anyone who used to or still does frequent gaming tournaments in the US describe how do security measures at those events look like? I'm guessing they're minimal at smaller tournaments, I'm mostly curious about bigger titles. The MLG event I went to in Raleigh a number of years ago had a decent amount of security. I can't remember if there were metal detectors, but there was a noticeable amount of security personnel. Nearly all sporting events have the works though. The smaller stuff- i.e. events that take place in stores/bars- generally has next to nothing as far as security goes. The Jacksonville Landing is a mall area, so may have had mall security. Just keep in mind the US is a pretty darn big place and the variance in violent occurrences can be night and day. I've heard from relatives who live in the area that violence in Jacksonville has been a problem recently, but that's hearsay. i'm going to Tecmo Madison in April next year. I hope there is zero security. it preserves the fun of the event. I advise you to reconsider your priorites, getting home alive from an event and not in a casket is pretty high up in my list.... A gaming event does not need backpack searching etc. If you reach the point where searching backpacks is preferable to gun control then something has gone badly wrong. Similar to putting toddlers in body armour etc. nonsense, ESL Birmingham as a recent example had bag searches and patdowns.
nowadays doing bag searches/patdowns is (or at least should be) basic security for mass events
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On August 27 2018 18:36 Excludos wrote:
I suggest to everyone to not watch that video. There's no gore, but the sound is intact. You can hear the screams and the gunshots. I really regret watching it myself
All Americans should watch that video.
If you buy a gun in America I think you should have to apply for a license for ownership, go through gun training, and have to watch that video, be shown some actual photos of what guns in mass shootings have done to people's bodies and really understand the violence that is actually happening in our culture.
That should be the bare minimum requirement.
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On August 27 2018 22:19 HsDLTitich wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2018 22:11 darthfoley wrote:On August 27 2018 20:44 evilfatsh1t wrote:On August 27 2018 17:02 739 wrote:On August 27 2018 16:53 evilfatsh1t wrote:
can someone link the vid that shows the red dot and stuff?
im not sure im watching the same vid as everyone else + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzfK-ir1Zt8 damn. was it confirmed that the guy who had the laser on him was killed? It sure looks like it. He went by the tag "True" I think He's been confirmed dead afaik. I'm not even sad, I'm just angry. And I'm angry that other people aren't angry.
I'm fucking angry. Mostly at a bought out congress of republicans who refuse to change the laws because their pockets are too stuffed with money.
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Training is fine and should be a requirement. I’m not making anyone traumatize themselves to obtain any license. Not only is it petty thing to do, it also is a waste of money in legal costs defending the practices in court.
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On August 27 2018 21:22 DropBear wrote:
Kids are getting shot playing video games and then we argue about the statistical likelihood of it happening. If it's happening more than zero times it's too much!
It's unlikely so never mind, you don't need to do anything. This is the argument from the John Oliver interview of that pro gun guy. "Whoop dee doo, there are so few of them!"
Kids are being killed by people illegally in the country. The response to “if it’s happening more than zero times it’s too much” is generally the statistics of how rare it is.
The first thing you absolutely must know is that everybody has their own “deaths by illegal alien” or “deaths by shooter going for mass killing of stranger” or “deaths by domestic terrorism” or “deaths by Islamic terrorism.” It’s sensitivity to statistics combined with political philosophy about the underlying event, not that somebody’s so heartless for bringing up the statistics in the first place.
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I'm fucking angry too, it's ridiculous that this still happens, and will continue to happen sadly unless this wave come November changes shit. I won't lie, I saw the brackets, since they were accessible, but I didn't dig deeper than that. The news around here just keep trying to dig more and more into the killer while showing his face, and talking about his past winnings in madden tournaments. It's sick. I feel sick.
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On August 28 2018 00:15 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2018 21:22 DropBear wrote:
Kids are getting shot playing video games and then we argue about the statistical likelihood of it happening. If it's happening more than zero times it's too much!
It's unlikely so never mind, you don't need to do anything. This is the argument from the John Oliver interview of that pro gun guy. "Whoop dee doo, there are so few of them!" Kids are being killed by people illegally in the country. The response to “if it’s happening more than zero times it’s too much” is generally the statistics of how rare it is. The first thing you absolutely must know is that everybody has their own “deaths by illegal alien” or “deaths by shooter going for mass killing of stranger” or “deaths by domestic terrorism” or “deaths by Islamic terrorism.” It’s sensitivity to statistics combined with political philosophy about the underlying event, not that somebody’s so heartless for bringing up the statistics in the first place.
Given that we now know that Tibbetts' killer was in the country legally, this attempt at playing Whataboutism is not only a pathetic non-sequitor, it's factually incorrect.
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On August 28 2018 00:25 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2018 00:15 Danglars wrote:On August 27 2018 21:22 DropBear wrote:
Kids are getting shot playing video games and then we argue about the statistical likelihood of it happening. If it's happening more than zero times it's too much!
It's unlikely so never mind, you don't need to do anything. This is the argument from the John Oliver interview of that pro gun guy. "Whoop dee doo, there are so few of them!" Kids are being killed by people illegally in the country. The response to “if it’s happening more than zero times it’s too much” is generally the statistics of how rare it is. The first thing you absolutely must know is that everybody has their own “deaths by illegal alien” or “deaths by shooter going for mass killing of stranger” or “deaths by domestic terrorism” or “deaths by Islamic terrorism.” It’s sensitivity to statistics combined with political philosophy about the underlying event, not that somebody’s so heartless for bringing up the statistics in the first place. Given that we now know that Tibbetts' killer was in the country legally, this attempt at playing Whataboutism is not only a pathetic non-sequitor, it's factually incorrect.
Off topic: Did that get proven? I haven't heard either way and google searching for that case is like wadding through shit.
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yeah, upon review of what is available, I suppose very little has been certifiably proven, so I apologize for misstating where that controversy is at. Nevertheless, irrelevance with regards to mass shooting deaths remains 
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On August 28 2018 00:25 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2018 00:15 Danglars wrote:On August 27 2018 21:22 DropBear wrote:
Kids are getting shot playing video games and then we argue about the statistical likelihood of it happening. If it's happening more than zero times it's too much!
It's unlikely so never mind, you don't need to do anything. This is the argument from the John Oliver interview of that pro gun guy. "Whoop dee doo, there are so few of them!" Kids are being killed by people illegally in the country. The response to “if it’s happening more than zero times it’s too much” is generally the statistics of how rare it is. The first thing you absolutely must know is that everybody has their own “deaths by illegal alien” or “deaths by shooter going for mass killing of stranger” or “deaths by domestic terrorism” or “deaths by Islamic terrorism.” It’s sensitivity to statistics combined with political philosophy about the underlying event, not that somebody’s so heartless for bringing up the statistics in the first place. Given that we now know that Tibbetts' killer was in the country legally, this attempt at playing Whataboutism is not only a pathetic non-sequitor, it's factually incorrect.
You’ll see that nowhere I mentioned Tibbets. It’s almost like you missed the entire point to try and inject some illegal/not-illegal current event into the conversation. Or do you also think that arguing about statistical likelihood is as heartless here as in deaths by illegal immigrant?
Frankly, I get accused of doing what you’re doing so frequently; maybe people just get us confused.
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On August 28 2018 00:05 ShambhalaWar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2018 18:36 Excludos wrote:
I suggest to everyone to not watch that video. There's no gore, but the sound is intact. You can hear the screams and the gunshots. I really regret watching it myself All Americans should watch that video. If you buy a gun in America I think you should have to apply for a license for ownership, go through gun training, and have to watch that video, be shown some actual photos of what guns in mass shootings have done to people's bodies and really understand the violence that is actually happening in our culture. That should be the bare minimum requirement.
Just make sure to implement universal healthcare first, cause you're going to have a lot of people with ptsd.
I agree with the sentiment tho. Making people understand what guns actually do is usually part of any good weapons training, just in a bit less extreme way.
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On August 28 2018 00:15 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2018 21:22 DropBear wrote:
Kids are getting shot playing video games and then we argue about the statistical likelihood of it happening. If it's happening more than zero times it's too much!
It's unlikely so never mind, you don't need to do anything. This is the argument from the John Oliver interview of that pro gun guy. "Whoop dee doo, there are so few of them!" Kids are being killed by people illegally in the country. The response to “if it’s happening more than zero times it’s too much” is generally the statistics of how rare it is. The first thing you absolutely must know is that everybody has their own “deaths by illegal alien” or “deaths by shooter going for mass killing of stranger” or “deaths by domestic terrorism” or “deaths by Islamic terrorism.” It’s sensitivity to statistics combined with political philosophy about the underlying event, not that somebody’s so heartless for bringing up the statistics in the first place.
As opposed to all the kids being killed by people legally..?
The difference between these badly attempted comparables (is this a word? It should be a word) is the ways people want to combat it. "Banning all immigrants" is a horrible way to combat terrorism, and "banning all illegal immigrants" is not doable as most people enter legally and then just outstay their visas. Yet people want to push through thinly veiled discriminatory legislations just to pretend to combat these problems. Meanwhile mass murders are ridiculously easy to combat, as the entire rest of the first world has proven; even by countries with similar problems as the US has had up until now. Yet politicians are being paid behind your backs to keep the gun sales going. Who cares about a classroom full of children, a gay nightclub, or some nerds playing video games, when you can cash in on their deaths, amirite?!
Fucking despicable.
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On August 28 2018 01:14 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2018 00:15 Danglars wrote:On August 27 2018 21:22 DropBear wrote:
Kids are getting shot playing video games and then we argue about the statistical likelihood of it happening. If it's happening more than zero times it's too much!
It's unlikely so never mind, you don't need to do anything. This is the argument from the John Oliver interview of that pro gun guy. "Whoop dee doo, there are so few of them!" Kids are being killed by people illegally in the country. The response to “if it’s happening more than zero times it’s too much” is generally the statistics of how rare it is. The first thing you absolutely must know is that everybody has their own “deaths by illegal alien” or “deaths by shooter going for mass killing of stranger” or “deaths by domestic terrorism” or “deaths by Islamic terrorism.” It’s sensitivity to statistics combined with political philosophy about the underlying event, not that somebody’s so heartless for bringing up the statistics in the first place. As opposed to all the kids being killed by people legally..? The difference between these badly attempted comparables (is this a word? It should be a word) is the ways people want to combat it. "Banning all immigrants" is a horrible way to combat terrorism, and "banning all illegal immigrants" is not doable as most people enter legally and then just outstay their visas. Yet people want to push through thinly veiled discriminatory legislations just to pretend to combat these problems. Meanwhile mass murders are ridiculously easy to combat, as the entire rest of the first world has proven; even by countries with similar problems as the US has had up until now. Yet politicians are being paid behind your backs to keep the gun sales going. Who cares about a classroom full of children, a gay nightclub, or some nerds playing video games, when you can cash in on their deaths, amirite?! Fucking despicable.
I’m under no impression that policies designed to combat mass shootings would be similar to the “ways people want to combat” violent crime by illegal immigrants.
I also think this thread should be instructive in just how many accusations of bad faith are leveled at the pro-gun-control crowd .... similar to your “thinly veiled discriminatory legislations” and “politicians are being paid behind your backs to keep the gun sales going.”
Meanwhile,
Who cares about a classroom full of children, a gay nightclub, or some nerds playing video games, when you can cash in on their deaths, amirite?!
Is precisely how you poison the debate with vile rhetoric.
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On August 28 2018 01:27 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2018 01:14 Excludos wrote:On August 28 2018 00:15 Danglars wrote:On August 27 2018 21:22 DropBear wrote:
Kids are getting shot playing video games and then we argue about the statistical likelihood of it happening. If it's happening more than zero times it's too much!
It's unlikely so never mind, you don't need to do anything. This is the argument from the John Oliver interview of that pro gun guy. "Whoop dee doo, there are so few of them!" Kids are being killed by people illegally in the country. The response to “if it’s happening more than zero times it’s too much” is generally the statistics of how rare it is. The first thing you absolutely must know is that everybody has their own “deaths by illegal alien” or “deaths by shooter going for mass killing of stranger” or “deaths by domestic terrorism” or “deaths by Islamic terrorism.” It’s sensitivity to statistics combined with political philosophy about the underlying event, not that somebody’s so heartless for bringing up the statistics in the first place. As opposed to all the kids being killed by people legally..? The difference between these badly attempted comparables (is this a word? It should be a word) is the ways people want to combat it. "Banning all immigrants" is a horrible way to combat terrorism, and "banning all illegal immigrants" is not doable as most people enter legally and then just outstay their visas. Yet people want to push through thinly veiled discriminatory legislations just to pretend to combat these problems. Meanwhile mass murders are ridiculously easy to combat, as the entire rest of the first world has proven; even by countries with similar problems as the US has had up until now. Yet politicians are being paid behind your backs to keep the gun sales going. Who cares about a classroom full of children, a gay nightclub, or some nerds playing video games, when you can cash in on their deaths, amirite?! Fucking despicable. I’m under no impression that policies designed to combat mass shootings would be similar to the “ways people want to combat” violent crime by illegal immigrants. I also think this thread should be instructive in just how many accusations of bad faith are leveled at the pro-gun-control crowd .... similar to your “thinly veiled discriminatory legislations” and “politicians are being paid behind your backs to keep the gun sales going.” Meanwhile, Show nested quote +Who cares about a classroom full of children, a gay nightclub, or some nerds playing video games, when you can cash in on their deaths, amirite?! Is precisely how you poison the debate with vile rhetoric.
It's very unfortunate when "vile rhetoric" is an actual undeniable truth.. Meanwhile you just stated a whole lot of nothing except to call my post poison. If you're not here to hold a discussion I suggest not being here. I have very little patience left for your antics. After a mass shooting event of what could easily have been people from this very forum, I think you might be able to understand why.
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On August 28 2018 01:40 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2018 01:27 Danglars wrote:On August 28 2018 01:14 Excludos wrote:On August 28 2018 00:15 Danglars wrote:On August 27 2018 21:22 DropBear wrote:
Kids are getting shot playing video games and then we argue about the statistical likelihood of it happening. If it's happening more than zero times it's too much!
It's unlikely so never mind, you don't need to do anything. This is the argument from the John Oliver interview of that pro gun guy. "Whoop dee doo, there are so few of them!" Kids are being killed by people illegally in the country. The response to “if it’s happening more than zero times it’s too much” is generally the statistics of how rare it is. The first thing you absolutely must know is that everybody has their own “deaths by illegal alien” or “deaths by shooter going for mass killing of stranger” or “deaths by domestic terrorism” or “deaths by Islamic terrorism.” It’s sensitivity to statistics combined with political philosophy about the underlying event, not that somebody’s so heartless for bringing up the statistics in the first place. As opposed to all the kids being killed by people legally..? The difference between these badly attempted comparables (is this a word? It should be a word) is the ways people want to combat it. "Banning all immigrants" is a horrible way to combat terrorism, and "banning all illegal immigrants" is not doable as most people enter legally and then just outstay their visas. Yet people want to push through thinly veiled discriminatory legislations just to pretend to combat these problems. Meanwhile mass murders are ridiculously easy to combat, as the entire rest of the first world has proven; even by countries with similar problems as the US has had up until now. Yet politicians are being paid behind your backs to keep the gun sales going. Who cares about a classroom full of children, a gay nightclub, or some nerds playing video games, when you can cash in on their deaths, amirite?! Fucking despicable. I’m under no impression that policies designed to combat mass shootings would be similar to the “ways people want to combat” violent crime by illegal immigrants. I also think this thread should be instructive in just how many accusations of bad faith are leveled at the pro-gun-control crowd .... similar to your “thinly veiled discriminatory legislations” and “politicians are being paid behind your backs to keep the gun sales going.” Meanwhile, Who cares about a classroom full of children, a gay nightclub, or some nerds playing video games, when you can cash in on their deaths, amirite?! Is precisely how you poison the debate with vile rhetoric. It's very unfortunate when "vile rhetoric" is an actual undeniable truth.. Meanwhile you just stated a whole lot of nothing except to call my post poison. If you're not here to hold a discussion I suggest not being here. I have very little patience left for your antics. After a mass shooting event of what could easily have been people from this very forum, I think you might be able to understand why.
You just got done saying that immigration legislation is veiled discriminatory, mass murders are easy to combat, politicians are in the pocket of gun manufacturers, and only the gun control crowd cares about classrooms full of kids, gay nightclubs, and nerds playing video games. You are the exact opposite of “holding discussion,” you’re only tossing slurs in the direction of me and people who hold views similar to mine.
But I am done talking with someone so intent on using insults in the place of argument. Reported and moved on.
The mods can sort out if profiting off the deaths of children, gay nightclub attendees, and nerds is an acceptable style of debate on gun control.
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On August 28 2018 01:48 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2018 01:40 Excludos wrote:On August 28 2018 01:27 Danglars wrote:On August 28 2018 01:14 Excludos wrote:On August 28 2018 00:15 Danglars wrote:On August 27 2018 21:22 DropBear wrote:
Kids are getting shot playing video games and then we argue about the statistical likelihood of it happening. If it's happening more than zero times it's too much!
It's unlikely so never mind, you don't need to do anything. This is the argument from the John Oliver interview of that pro gun guy. "Whoop dee doo, there are so few of them!" Kids are being killed by people illegally in the country. The response to “if it’s happening more than zero times it’s too much” is generally the statistics of how rare it is. The first thing you absolutely must know is that everybody has their own “deaths by illegal alien” or “deaths by shooter going for mass killing of stranger” or “deaths by domestic terrorism” or “deaths by Islamic terrorism.” It’s sensitivity to statistics combined with political philosophy about the underlying event, not that somebody’s so heartless for bringing up the statistics in the first place. As opposed to all the kids being killed by people legally..? The difference between these badly attempted comparables (is this a word? It should be a word) is the ways people want to combat it. "Banning all immigrants" is a horrible way to combat terrorism, and "banning all illegal immigrants" is not doable as most people enter legally and then just outstay their visas. Yet people want to push through thinly veiled discriminatory legislations just to pretend to combat these problems. Meanwhile mass murders are ridiculously easy to combat, as the entire rest of the first world has proven; even by countries with similar problems as the US has had up until now. Yet politicians are being paid behind your backs to keep the gun sales going. Who cares about a classroom full of children, a gay nightclub, or some nerds playing video games, when you can cash in on their deaths, amirite?! Fucking despicable. I’m under no impression that policies designed to combat mass shootings would be similar to the “ways people want to combat” violent crime by illegal immigrants. I also think this thread should be instructive in just how many accusations of bad faith are leveled at the pro-gun-control crowd .... similar to your “thinly veiled discriminatory legislations” and “politicians are being paid behind your backs to keep the gun sales going.” Meanwhile, Who cares about a classroom full of children, a gay nightclub, or some nerds playing video games, when you can cash in on their deaths, amirite?! Is precisely how you poison the debate with vile rhetoric. It's very unfortunate when "vile rhetoric" is an actual undeniable truth.. Meanwhile you just stated a whole lot of nothing except to call my post poison. If you're not here to hold a discussion I suggest not being here. I have very little patience left for your antics. After a mass shooting event of what could easily have been people from this very forum, I think you might be able to understand why. You just got done saying that immigration legislation is veiled discriminatory,
I did not, try again.
On August 28 2018 01:48 Danglars wrote:mass murders are easy to combat,
They are, ridiculously so. The proof is in the rest of the first world. Do I need to bring up Australia again? I'm not saying there's not going to be work involved, of course there is. But the steps have been done before. You don't have to reinvent the wheel when it comes to gun control. You only have to follow the recipe.
On August 28 2018 01:48 Danglars wrote:politicians are in the pocket of gun manufacturers,
A lot of them are, yes. Is this somehow news to you..? You do know what NRA is right?
On August 28 2018 01:48 Danglars wrote:and only the gun control crowd cares about classrooms full of kids, gay nightclubs, and nerds playing video games.
No, I'm saying pro gun control people are the only one willing to do anything about it (No, "more weapons" is not a viable solution). It's all well and fine to send thoughts and prayers. The rest of us want to actually do something about it. Status quo is NOT ok any more!
I'm going to ignore the rest of your post for my own sake.
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On August 28 2018 00:15 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2018 21:22 DropBear wrote:
Kids are getting shot playing video games and then we argue about the statistical likelihood of it happening. If it's happening more than zero times it's too much!
It's unlikely so never mind, you don't need to do anything. This is the argument from the John Oliver interview of that pro gun guy. "Whoop dee doo, there are so few of them!" Kids are being killed by people illegally in the country. The response to “if it’s happening more than zero times it’s too much” is generally the statistics of how rare it is. The first thing you absolutely must know is that everybody has their own “deaths by illegal alien” or “deaths by shooter going for mass killing of stranger” or “deaths by domestic terrorism” or “deaths by Islamic terrorism.” It’s sensitivity to statistics combined with political philosophy about the underlying event, not that somebody’s so heartless for bringing up the statistics in the first place.
Death by shooting doesn't fit into that category though. That's where this debate should really be taking place.
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