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On December 15 2012 06:44 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 06:41 Benjamin99 wrote:On December 15 2012 06:39 Nagano wrote:
At these times, it's important that you remember to use facts to back up your claim. Gun control laws DO. NOT. WORK. PERIOD.
At first it might make sense, hey they used guns to kill, guns are dangerous, ban them etc. Just look at all the facts available to you on the internet from reputable sources. This is where personal beliefs might not equal reality. So before you go calling for a gun ban, read up on the facts of gun control efficacy.
CT has had an assault weapon ban in place since 1994, it did nothing to stop this. NYC has a complete gun ban, so do many other crime ridden areas. Gun crime rises when there are gun bans in place. Again, the internet is your friend here--use it.
Furthermore, I'd like to ask the gun control folks, who obviously haven't been exposed to the facts regarding gun control, what other constitutional amendments they aren't in favor of. There is a certain ignorance to following the constitution only as how you see fit.
look at the numbers below you they work. We have never had a school shooting in Denmark. You know why? its not because we don't got crazy people but its because they cant get armed. its simple logic. You're wrong. A quick google search shows 4 seperate shootings in denmark schools on the very first page.
Link me to that, please
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On December 15 2012 06:39 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 06:37 Eps wrote:On December 15 2012 06:32 Hypemeup wrote:On December 15 2012 06:25 BluePanther wrote:On December 15 2012 06:21 Teodice wrote:
I would never even consider owning a gun since I´d just think of all the backfire situations that might occur. I can´t see how people can feel more safe with a gun in their home, then you do not feel safe in the first place and why stay at a place where it´s not safe?
The argument about your freedom and right to wear a gun... So what? Are you really prepared to shoot somebody? Since that´s what they are made for, shooting people.
As stated before. The ones who commits these shootings are not registered criminals, they appear and act like a normal person. I wouldnt really like the idea that the guy next door owns a AK47 just since it´s his "right". Then stuff like this seam to happen.
Dunno, I´m just a pussy swedish communist who likes restrictions. But sometimes I´m glad they´re there. Sweden has a very high rate of gun ownership. And as stated before, a much lower rate of gun related violence. The requirements for having a gun here are pretty steep. Gun ownership per capita United States 88.8 Rank - 1 Sweden 31.6 Rank - 10 Canada 30.8 Rank - 13 We're not far behind from you guys. But our gun violence rates are relatively low. Of course, essentially most nations in the global north have low rates of gun violence compared to the US. Homicide Rates United States 4.2 Total - 12,996 Canada 1.6 Total - 554 Sweden 1.0 Total - 91 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate Look at these numbers insane and some people actually argue against banning firearms. insane
Because the United States ISNT LIKE OTHER COUNTRIES.
I hate to break it to you bro but in terms of not only population but diversity United States is a pretty unique in that sense. Not to mention that it's bordered by a country that is all but a drug haven where guns and drugs would come in droves REGARDLESS of the gun control laws in the states.
Again a vast majority of gun related crime is done by people that have obtained their guns illegally. Hell Connecticut has banned certain assault rifles for I dunno...17 years now? Apparently that didn't work out here because low and behold...the guy had a .223 caliber assault rifle (SO said anyway)that he used.
I personally think hand guns are fine to own...but I don't see a point for a civilian to really own an assault rifle. That aside strict gun controls will never work in the US...it just won't happen.
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On December 15 2012 06:25 BluePanther wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 06:21 Teodice wrote:
I would never even consider owning a gun since I´d just think of all the backfire situations that might occur. I can´t see how people can feel more safe with a gun in their home, then you do not feel safe in the first place and why stay at a place where it´s not safe?
The argument about your freedom and right to wear a gun... So what? Are you really prepared to shoot somebody? Since that´s what they are made for, shooting people.
As stated before. The ones who commits these shootings are not registered criminals, they appear and act like a normal person. I wouldnt really like the idea that the guy next door owns a AK47 just since it´s his "right". Then stuff like this seam to happen.
Dunno, I´m just a pussy swedish communist who likes restrictions. But sometimes I´m glad they´re there. Sweden has a very high rate of gun ownership.
you have to look deeper than the superificial though. Sweden's predominate gun ownership is hunter rifles, not semi-automatic hand guns or assault rifles. I bet if you looked at the number of violent gun crimes in the US committed with bolt action hunting rifles, it would be very, very low...
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On December 15 2012 06:47 iLikeRain wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 06:44 heliusx wrote:On December 15 2012 06:41 Benjamin99 wrote:On December 15 2012 06:39 Nagano wrote:
At these times, it's important that you remember to use facts to back up your claim. Gun control laws DO. NOT. WORK. PERIOD.
At first it might make sense, hey they used guns to kill, guns are dangerous, ban them etc. Just look at all the facts available to you on the internet from reputable sources. This is where personal beliefs might not equal reality. So before you go calling for a gun ban, read up on the facts of gun control efficacy.
CT has had an assault weapon ban in place since 1994, it did nothing to stop this. NYC has a complete gun ban, so do many other crime ridden areas. Gun crime rises when there are gun bans in place. Again, the internet is your friend here--use it.
Furthermore, I'd like to ask the gun control folks, who obviously haven't been exposed to the facts regarding gun control, what other constitutional amendments they aren't in favor of. There is a certain ignorance to following the constitution only as how you see fit.
look at the numbers below you they work. We have never had a school shooting in Denmark. You know why? its not because we don't got crazy people but its because they cant get armed. its simple logic. You're wrong. A quick google search shows 4 seperate shootings in denmark schools on the very first page. Link me to that, please
I think he is refering to the case where a single girl was shot by people who were not even attending her school on campus. He did not bother to fact check before calling it false.
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On December 15 2012 06:42 ArmOfDeath wrote:
I swear it's like talking to children. It doesn't matter if you get rid of guns or not. If there were no guns in the world then criminals would use other means: rocks, sticks, fists, it doesn't matter. They are criminals and they break the law, it's what they do. Unless you're going to police the world and make it so that no one ever does anything wrong, then it's going to be impossible to ever stop these kinds of things. Have any of you watched Minority Report lately? The road to hell is paved with best intentions. If the guy that shot up the school didn't have guns, he would've used/done something else. It's just that simple. It doesn't matter if the US has more school related shootings than the rest of the world, it doesn't matter if the US has the highest amount of gun related violence than the rest of the world. It doesn't matter if the US is the most evil place in the world filled will all the most evil people in the world. Regulation of anything won't stop BAD PEOPLE from doing BAD THINGS. It is stupid to even talk about it. Every time something bad happens to someone, it's a crying shame, and it deeply saddens me, but do I sit in a corner crying and trying to ban everything that could be potentially dangerous? Why are household chemicals not banned? When combined they can make deadly gasses. How about banning cars because people can get drunk and run someone over? How about banning knives because they can hurt people if in the hands of someone mentally unstable or who wants to hurt other people...the list goes on and on. Do you not see how futile it is? I'm not saying it's the best solution, but when someone is going to do a harmful act, the only MAJOR deterrence to them not doing it is the possibility of them dying. Most criminals don't want to die, but there are some, that's why you have a "suicide by cop" statistic. So how do you stop people determined with hurting others who want to die themselves? Because whether you regulate harder or more, or try anything, where there's a will there's a way. Do you want to take away everyone's freedoms in the vain hope that maybe no one will ever get hurt again?
It doesnt matter? i'm sorry but i never really understood the logic of this arguement. Would they be able to kill as many people as they do with "rocks, sticks, fists" as you say? no probaly not. Look up what happend in china recently. And if you cant understand that then i will not bother replying to posts like this anymore
Funny coming from a guy that accuses other people of being children.
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On December 15 2012 06:44 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 06:41 Benjamin99 wrote:On December 15 2012 06:39 Nagano wrote:
At these times, it's important that you remember to use facts to back up your claim. Gun control laws DO. NOT. WORK. PERIOD.
At first it might make sense, hey they used guns to kill, guns are dangerous, ban them etc. Just look at all the facts available to you on the internet from reputable sources. This is where personal beliefs might not equal reality. So before you go calling for a gun ban, read up on the facts of gun control efficacy.
CT has had an assault weapon ban in place since 1994, it did nothing to stop this. NYC has a complete gun ban, so do many other crime ridden areas. Gun crime rises when there are gun bans in place. Again, the internet is your friend here--use it.
Furthermore, I'd like to ask the gun control folks, who obviously haven't been exposed to the facts regarding gun control, what other constitutional amendments they aren't in favor of. There is a certain ignorance to following the constitution only as how you see fit.
look at the numbers below you they work. We have never had a school shooting in Denmark. You know why? its not because we don't got crazy people but its because they cant get armed. its simple logic. You're wrong. A quick google search shows 4 seperate shootings in denmark schools on the very first page.
Well that's not true at all. It happens 1 time in Århus and it only involves 1 person not mass killing. Seriously I simply cant believe the attitude coming from the US members. If you really believe that gun control don't stop mass gun killings then well you deserve what you get
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On December 15 2012 06:41 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 06:39 Nagano wrote:
At these times, it's important that you remember to use facts to back up your claim. Gun control laws DO. NOT. WORK. PERIOD.
At first it might make sense, hey they used guns to kill, guns are dangerous, ban them etc. Just look at all the facts available to you on the internet from reputable sources. This is where personal beliefs might not equal reality. So before you go calling for a gun ban, read up on the facts of gun control efficacy.
CT has had an assault weapon ban in place since 1994, it did nothing to stop this. NYC has a complete gun ban, so do many other crime ridden areas. Gun crime rises when there are gun bans in place. Again, the internet is your friend here--use it.
Furthermore, I'd like to ask the gun control folks, who obviously haven't been exposed to the facts regarding gun control, what other constitutional amendments they aren't in favor of. There is a certain ignorance to following the constitution only as how you see fit.
look at the numbers below you they work. We have never had a school shooting in Denmark. You know why? its not because we don't got crazy people but its because they cant get armed. its simple logic.
"Simple logic." You're looking at one source here. I suggest you look through the many available to you online. This isn't Fox news, you don't just look at the one source that reaffirms your own beliefs. You look at all the facts available, and only then should you begin to formulate an opinion.
Gun control laws in the United States do not work. This has been known for a long time now. You can cover your ears and say "Na na na I can't hear you", but these are the facts. Gun ownership in the United States is at an all-time high, while crime is at an all time low. When these events happen it's important to realize that there are almost 300 million firearms in the United States, almost 1 per person. When a shooting like this happens, the solution is to ban firearms for everyone? I am a firm believer in the constitution, from free speech, right to bear arms, trial by jury, whatever. You cannot just choose which you like and which you don't. It's the principles upon which this nation was founded. Again, the facts are not with you here.
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On December 15 2012 06:47 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 06:25 BluePanther wrote:On December 15 2012 06:21 Teodice wrote:
I would never even consider owning a gun since I´d just think of all the backfire situations that might occur. I can´t see how people can feel more safe with a gun in their home, then you do not feel safe in the first place and why stay at a place where it´s not safe?
The argument about your freedom and right to wear a gun... So what? Are you really prepared to shoot somebody? Since that´s what they are made for, shooting people.
As stated before. The ones who commits these shootings are not registered criminals, they appear and act like a normal person. I wouldnt really like the idea that the guy next door owns a AK47 just since it´s his "right". Then stuff like this seam to happen.
Dunno, I´m just a pussy swedish communist who likes restrictions. But sometimes I´m glad they´re there. Sweden has a very high rate of gun ownership. you have to look deeper than the superificial though. Sweden's predominate gun ownership is hunter rifles, not semi-automatic hand guns or assault rifles. I bet if you looked at the number of violent gun crimes in the US committed with bolt action hunting rifles, it would be very, very low...
ummmm.... you do realize that a lot of USA guns are the same? Almost all guns are hunting rifles or handguns (designed for personal protection). It's not like the Corner Store sells a collection of AK-47s.
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On December 15 2012 06:39 Nagano wrote:
At these times, it's important that you remember to use facts to back up your claim. Gun control laws DO. NOT. WORK. PERIOD.
At first it might make sense, hey they used guns to kill, guns are dangerous, ban them etc. Just look at all the facts available to you on the internet from reputable sources. This is where personal beliefs might not equal reality. So before you go calling for a gun ban, read up on the facts of gun control efficacy.
CT has had an assault weapon ban in place since 1994, it did nothing to stop this. NYC has a complete gun ban, so do many other crime ridden areas. Gun crime rises when there are gun bans in place. Again, the internet is your friend here--use it.
Furthermore, I'd like to ask the gun control folks, who obviously haven't been exposed to the facts regarding gun control, what other constitutional amendments they aren't in favor of. There is a certain ignorance to following the constitution only as how you see fit.
Any partial or even complete bans that do not cover whole territory of the state (as in country not US state) make absolutely no sense. The only way for gun control to work is to limit illegal supply of guns and that can happen only if legal supply is minimal and smuggling hard enough. That can happen only if the ban is in effect in a whole country. Plus even then effects would take decade(s) to show.
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On December 15 2012 06:50 BluePanther wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 06:47 crms wrote:On December 15 2012 06:25 BluePanther wrote:On December 15 2012 06:21 Teodice wrote:
I would never even consider owning a gun since I´d just think of all the backfire situations that might occur. I can´t see how people can feel more safe with a gun in their home, then you do not feel safe in the first place and why stay at a place where it´s not safe?
The argument about your freedom and right to wear a gun... So what? Are you really prepared to shoot somebody? Since that´s what they are made for, shooting people.
As stated before. The ones who commits these shootings are not registered criminals, they appear and act like a normal person. I wouldnt really like the idea that the guy next door owns a AK47 just since it´s his "right". Then stuff like this seam to happen.
Dunno, I´m just a pussy swedish communist who likes restrictions. But sometimes I´m glad they´re there. Sweden has a very high rate of gun ownership. you have to look deeper than the superificial though. Sweden's predominate gun ownership is hunter rifles, not semi-automatic hand guns or assault rifles. I bet if you looked at the number of violent gun crimes in the US committed with bolt action hunting rifles, it would be very, very low... ummmm.... you do realize that a lot of USA guns are the same? Almost all guns are hunting rifles or handguns (designed for personal protection). It's not like the Corner Store sells a collection of AK-47s.
we have exponentially higher semi automatic hand gun ownership in the US than Sweden, which is what most gun crimes are committed with.
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Guys, guys, the solution is obvious if you want to buy into the pro gun lobby. We should start arming our schoolkids with guns as well so that it would act as a deterrent for future wannabe school shooters.
Am I doing this right guys?
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On December 15 2012 06:50 BluePanther wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 06:47 crms wrote:On December 15 2012 06:25 BluePanther wrote:On December 15 2012 06:21 Teodice wrote:
I would never even consider owning a gun since I´d just think of all the backfire situations that might occur. I can´t see how people can feel more safe with a gun in their home, then you do not feel safe in the first place and why stay at a place where it´s not safe?
The argument about your freedom and right to wear a gun... So what? Are you really prepared to shoot somebody? Since that´s what they are made for, shooting people.
As stated before. The ones who commits these shootings are not registered criminals, they appear and act like a normal person. I wouldnt really like the idea that the guy next door owns a AK47 just since it´s his "right". Then stuff like this seam to happen.
Dunno, I´m just a pussy swedish communist who likes restrictions. But sometimes I´m glad they´re there. Sweden has a very high rate of gun ownership. you have to look deeper than the superificial though. Sweden's predominate gun ownership is hunter rifles, not semi-automatic hand guns or assault rifles. I bet if you looked at the number of violent gun crimes in the US committed with bolt action hunting rifles, it would be very, very low... ummmm.... you do realize that a lot of USA guns are the same? Almost all guns are hunting rifles or handguns (designed for personal protection). It's not like the Corner Store sells a collection of AK-47s.
At least, read his post before answering.
He said, hunter rifles.
You said, yes, the same, designed for personal protection.
Hunting is not for personal protection.
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On December 15 2012 06:48 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 06:44 heliusx wrote:On December 15 2012 06:41 Benjamin99 wrote:On December 15 2012 06:39 Nagano wrote:
At these times, it's important that you remember to use facts to back up your claim. Gun control laws DO. NOT. WORK. PERIOD.
At first it might make sense, hey they used guns to kill, guns are dangerous, ban them etc. Just look at all the facts available to you on the internet from reputable sources. This is where personal beliefs might not equal reality. So before you go calling for a gun ban, read up on the facts of gun control efficacy.
CT has had an assault weapon ban in place since 1994, it did nothing to stop this. NYC has a complete gun ban, so do many other crime ridden areas. Gun crime rises when there are gun bans in place. Again, the internet is your friend here--use it.
Furthermore, I'd like to ask the gun control folks, who obviously haven't been exposed to the facts regarding gun control, what other constitutional amendments they aren't in favor of. There is a certain ignorance to following the constitution only as how you see fit.
look at the numbers below you they work. We have never had a school shooting in Denmark. You know why? its not because we don't got crazy people but its because they cant get armed. its simple logic. You're wrong. A quick google search shows 4 seperate shootings in denmark schools on the very first page. Well that's not true at all. It happens 1 time in Århus and it only involves 1 person not mass killing. Seriously I simply cant believe the attitude coming from the US members. If you really believe that gun control don't stop mass gun killings then well you deserve what you get
guns make it easier for people to kill people, no one is denying this. but like you said, "simple logic" use your logic on what it takes, how it could be done, to control guns in USA. really, think on it and see how realistic it is.
only thing i can think of is ban gun purchase, find and destroy every gun found, do this for about 50 years then maybe.
thats without implicating politics.
instead of just saying "no guns = no gun kill" (obviously), be realistic about it.
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On December 15 2012 06:47 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 06:25 BluePanther wrote:On December 15 2012 06:21 Teodice wrote:
I would never even consider owning a gun since I´d just think of all the backfire situations that might occur. I can´t see how people can feel more safe with a gun in their home, then you do not feel safe in the first place and why stay at a place where it´s not safe?
The argument about your freedom and right to wear a gun... So what? Are you really prepared to shoot somebody? Since that´s what they are made for, shooting people.
As stated before. The ones who commits these shootings are not registered criminals, they appear and act like a normal person. I wouldnt really like the idea that the guy next door owns a AK47 just since it´s his "right". Then stuff like this seam to happen.
Dunno, I´m just a pussy swedish communist who likes restrictions. But sometimes I´m glad they´re there. Sweden has a very high rate of gun ownership. you have to look deeper than the superificial though. Sweden's predominate gun ownership is hunter rifles, not semi-automatic hand guns or assault rifles. I bet if you looked at the number of violent gun crimes in the US committed with bolt action hunting rifles, it would be very, very low...
THIS RIGHT HERE. What do you think the gunman used in the CT shooting today? A .223 sports rifle. You're wrong.
Assault weapons are the lowest type of gun used in perpetrating violent crime. It's somewhere around 0.5% of all gun crimes. Are you speaking out of your ass? Please, look up facts about gun crime, gun laws and efficacy and you will realize the gun control crowd resembles followers of Fox news. Their claims are simply not backed up by fact. They speak on emotion.
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The US has had lax gun laws, compared to the rest of the world, since its conception. However, these mass attacks on innocent people in this magnitude has only happened in the past few decades. Of course it happened before, however I believe it comes from a culture which is increasingly desensitized to death and killing. People don't seem to value human life any more.
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On December 15 2012 06:44 Benjamin99 wrote:
How do you explain that you country got like like 1000% more deaths involving firearms then any other country? You just got more murderers that's you logic?
In 1900 New York City's murder rate was 10X that of London and neither had any gun control yet.
The cities in America with the highest murder rates are also the cities with Gun Control (Washington DC and Chicago)
Both Chicago and Washington saw a significant increase in their murder rates after enacting gun control.
None of this proves anything but the causation is not clear.
Many people believed that Washingtonians predicted a coming crime wave and passed gun control laws to lessen its severity. According to this theory future crime actually caused the gun control law to be passed.
The more straight up approach is to assume that the control law caused crime, but there is no proof for this.
Regarding America having more guns and more violence:
The straight forward explanation is the guns create violence, but the other theory is this country was more violent for a hundred years and that is why this country has resisted gun control more than other countries.
If Americans felt safe and as though they were well protected by their governments then perhaps they would have passed more gun control laws already.
Here is some of the data:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate_by_decade
In 1920, when England passed its first significant gun control law murders were already 8X more prevalent in America.
Today the difference is a factor of three or four.
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On December 15 2012 06:50 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 06:39 Nagano wrote:
At these times, it's important that you remember to use facts to back up your claim. Gun control laws DO. NOT. WORK. PERIOD.
At first it might make sense, hey they used guns to kill, guns are dangerous, ban them etc. Just look at all the facts available to you on the internet from reputable sources. This is where personal beliefs might not equal reality. So before you go calling for a gun ban, read up on the facts of gun control efficacy.
CT has had an assault weapon ban in place since 1994, it did nothing to stop this. NYC has a complete gun ban, so do many other crime ridden areas. Gun crime rises when there are gun bans in place. Again, the internet is your friend here--use it.
Furthermore, I'd like to ask the gun control folks, who obviously haven't been exposed to the facts regarding gun control, what other constitutional amendments they aren't in favor of. There is a certain ignorance to following the constitution only as how you see fit.
Any partial or even complete bans that do not cover whole territory of the state (as in country not US state) make absolutely no sense. The only way for gun control to work is to limit illegal supply of guns and that can happen only if legal supply is minimal and smuggling hard enough. That can happen only if the ban is in effect in a whole country. Plus even then effects would take decade(s) to show.
Right. Clearly your invisible country lines are more effective than our imaginary state lines.....
-_-
Seriously, some people need to learn a lot more about American government before they post stupid shit like this.
If a gun is illegal in a state, it's illegal in that state. You don't get an exemption because you brought it from a state where it's legal. It's no different than if it was from one European country to the next.
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On December 15 2012 06:48 Reaps wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 06:42 ArmOfDeath wrote:
I swear it's like talking to children. It doesn't matter if you get rid of guns or not. If there were no guns in the world then criminals would use other means: rocks, sticks, fists, it doesn't matter. They are criminals and they break the law, it's what they do. Unless you're going to police the world and make it so that no one ever does anything wrong, then it's going to be impossible to ever stop these kinds of things. Have any of you watched Minority Report lately? The road to hell is paved with best intentions. If the guy that shot up the school didn't have guns, he would've used/done something else. It's just that simple. It doesn't matter if the US has more school related shootings than the rest of the world, it doesn't matter if the US has the highest amount of gun related violence than the rest of the world. It doesn't matter if the US is the most evil place in the world filled will all the most evil people in the world. Regulation of anything won't stop BAD PEOPLE from doing BAD THINGS. It is stupid to even talk about it. Every time something bad happens to someone, it's a crying shame, and it deeply saddens me, but do I sit in a corner crying and trying to ban everything that could be potentially dangerous? Why are household chemicals not banned? When combined they can make deadly gasses. How about banning cars because people can get drunk and run someone over? How about banning knives because they can hurt people if in the hands of someone mentally unstable or who wants to hurt other people...the list goes on and on. Do you not see how futile it is? I'm not saying it's the best solution, but when someone is going to do a harmful act, the only MAJOR deterrence to them not doing it is the possibility of them dying. Most criminals don't want to die, but there are some, that's why you have a "suicide by cop" statistic. So how do you stop people determined with hurting others who want to die themselves? Because whether you regulate harder or more, or try anything, where there's a will there's a way. Do you want to take away everyone's freedoms in the vain hope that maybe no one will ever get hurt again? It doesnt matter? i'm sorry but i never really understood the logic of this arguement. Would they be able to kill as many people as they do with "rocks, sticks, fists" as you say? no probaly not. And if you cant understand that then i will not bother replying to posts like this anymore Funny coming from a guy that accuses other people of being children.
Your logic doesn't make sense, it's the logic of children. If you're going to say that the rate of death is lower without guns in MASS KILLINGS than that's a no brainer. Would that stop people from trying to go on killing sprees though? Doubtful. What's the point that you're trying to make? That without guns in these types of situations less people would die? That's pretty obvious, but what if the criminal decided to take household chemicals and make mustard gas? Then a lot more people would've died. I fail to see your point, if you're even making one. You say make it harder to get guns. I say sure, why not. Again, watch Minority Report. What does that do in the end? Nothing, because most of these cases are perpetrated by people AFTER they've got their gun legally. Do we need to invent a crystal ball to look into the possible future(s) and see if they're going to go banana's? How would that help?
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On December 15 2012 06:50 BluePanther wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 06:47 crms wrote:On December 15 2012 06:25 BluePanther wrote:On December 15 2012 06:21 Teodice wrote:
I would never even consider owning a gun since I´d just think of all the backfire situations that might occur. I can´t see how people can feel more safe with a gun in their home, then you do not feel safe in the first place and why stay at a place where it´s not safe?
The argument about your freedom and right to wear a gun... So what? Are you really prepared to shoot somebody? Since that´s what they are made for, shooting people.
As stated before. The ones who commits these shootings are not registered criminals, they appear and act like a normal person. I wouldnt really like the idea that the guy next door owns a AK47 just since it´s his "right". Then stuff like this seam to happen.
Dunno, I´m just a pussy swedish communist who likes restrictions. But sometimes I´m glad they´re there. Sweden has a very high rate of gun ownership. you have to look deeper than the superificial though. Sweden's predominate gun ownership is hunter rifles, not semi-automatic hand guns or assault rifles. I bet if you looked at the number of violent gun crimes in the US committed with bolt action hunting rifles, it would be very, very low... ummmm.... you do realize that a lot of USA guns are the same? Almost all guns are hunting rifles or handguns (designed for personal protection). It's not like the Corner Store sells a collection of AK-47s.
I would love to see what guns are most commonly used for murders, I would wager handguns way over say, hunting rifles or assault rifles.
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On December 15 2012 06:52 Piledriver wrote:
Guys, guys, the solution is obvious if you want to buy into the pro gun lobby. We should start arming our schoolkids with guns as well so that it would act as a deterrent for future wannabe school shooters.
Am I doing this right guys?
You clearly don't understand the 2nd amendment right. The United States had a ban on alcohol during a period called Prohibition. Does lifting that ban mean we want our schoolchildren to be piss drunk? Be a respectable person, for the love of god.
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