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ZeroChrome
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1001 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-06 08:17:43
July 06 2016 08:10 GMT
#8481
On July 06 2016 17:04 Surth wrote:
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On July 06 2016 16:58 ZeroChrome wrote:
On July 06 2016 07:54 hunter_x wrote:
Lol do you guys all have to much money? How can u buy a jacket for 1300 Bucks holy shit....worth every penny? Im pretty damn sure i get a equally good on for much less money....


Just like how a Honda Civic is the same thing as a Lamborghini, and a point-and-shoot is just as good as a high end DSLR, and a $400 laptop is no different to a top of the line gaming rig.

All of those things at least have some form of use-value (well, the Lamborghini not so much). Read Baudrillard

And if you want, I'm sure you can find hardcover editions of his books for twice the price, that way you can still waste some money!


A $2,000 leather jacket from Blackmeans has objectively more 'use-value' than a $200 """""leather"""""" jacket from Guess. The same principles that apply to all luxury or upscale goods apply to clothes as well.

EDIT: I'm not arguing that all expensive clothing is worth its price tag, it simply isn't. However making a blanket statement like "$100 department store jackets are no different to X designer product" is ignorance that anyone who wears mid/high-end clothing gets bombarded with way too often.
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Surth
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Germany456 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-06 08:27:10
July 06 2016 08:14 GMT
#8482
The same principles that apply to all luxury [...] goods apply to clothes as well.

Well, you're not wrong.

Obviously, a $2,000 leather jacket is not the same as a $200 dollar leather jacket. but that is a false equivalence already, the only reason you want a leather jacket in the first place is to look like james dean

(which is okay, i want a leather gracket too. and when i want to look like a hobo, ill be sure to get some rick owens
i believe your actions dishonour Starcraft 2 LotV cybersport!
Cynry
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
810 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-06 11:10:21
July 06 2016 11:09 GMT
#8483
Well, I'm not into fashion, but this brand has something that I love. They don't sacrifice utility for looks. Have you seen the fabrics they're using ? It's all high end stuff, gore-tex, gabardine cotton, etc. As someone whose primary concern when buying clothes is its protective performance (I mean, isn't that why we made clothes in the first place ?), hence why I know about these fabrics, I'm glad not to have to pick between hiking or military stuff anymore, which often are ugly and/or connoted.
Well, I won't buy one of those, the style is a bit too much out there for my taste, but I appreciate the effort for sure.

Now, about the price, there's plenty of things to consider.
Where was the clothing made ? Paying viet children vs local workers is not the same at all.
Quality of fabrics/craft ? I have a saying, that I'm too poor to buy shitty clothes. They don't last. Bad zippers (basically, almost everything non YKK), poorly sewn, few reinforcements if at all. If my 240$ jacket last 4 times as long as your 80$ bucks one, I win money in the long run. Doesn't really apply to fashion people who are always on the lookout for new things I guess, but it's still a valid point to me, and I think many others.
There's plenty more, and there are of course overpriced shit everywhere, but yes, good stuff has a price, and even in clothing, it makes a difference, not only in how it looks, but also how it feels/works.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
July 06 2016 23:22 GMT
#8484
On July 06 2016 17:04 Surth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2016 16:58 ZeroChrome wrote:
On July 06 2016 07:54 hunter_x wrote:
Lol do you guys all have to much money? How can u buy a jacket for 1300 Bucks holy shit....worth every penny? Im pretty damn sure i get a equally good on for much less money....


Just like how a Honda Civic is the same thing as a Lamborghini, and a point-and-shoot is just as good as a high end DSLR, and a $400 laptop is no different to a top of the line gaming rig.

All of those things at least have some form of use-value (well, the Lamborghini not so much). Read Baudrillard

And if you want, I'm sure you can find hardcover editions of his books for twice the price, that way you can still waste some money!


just dont b poor d00d its just numbers lmao who cares ecks dee xDDD!!!!
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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
July 06 2016 23:31 GMT
#8485
cos is opening near me
yay
© Current year.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-06 23:46:55
July 06 2016 23:45 GMT
#8486
gabardine cotton is not high end, gore-tex 3L is. With ACR you're always paying extra for the design and exclusivity.

Also, use-value is probably outdated when it comes to fashion, and I don't know how Baudrillard figures into this.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
July 07 2016 01:58 GMT
#8487
Thorstein Veblen?

What happened to that fashion reading group?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
July 07 2016 02:13 GMT
#8488
veblen good yes, there's a lot of those in fashion
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-07 02:21:37
July 07 2016 02:21 GMT
#8489
I was gonna read the first chapter of this book tomorrow:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/pz5rruo0n1axnp0/[Bonnie_English]_Japanese_Fashion_Designers_The_W(BookZZ.org).pdf?dl=0

On Issey Miyake. Heard good things, check it out if you have time.
Cynry
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
810 Posts
July 07 2016 08:09 GMT
#8490
On July 07 2016 08:45 zulu_nation8 wrote:
gabardine cotton is not high end, gore-tex 3L is.

It might not be a luxury fabric, but when it comes to performance of non technical clothes, millspec gabardine is almost up there with ventile. Ok maybe not super high-end, but it's good stuff.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-07 22:38:04
July 07 2016 19:24 GMT
#8491
Ventile is good stuff, always wanted a ventile raincoat but very few brands make it. Thing with performance wear is, as much as I like the higher end stuff, I don't do many things that require their utility, and I doubt people who parkour or mountain climb would find a big difference between Veilance and Arc'teryx/Burton. I understand I'm paying extra for design, hype, etc. And even though Acronym has a loyal following, I still think their designs are generally underappreciated. The way they reconstructed the Lunar Force 1s and Air Prestos were brilliant. It's apparent when you compare them to other Nike/designer collabs.

Edit: Is Canada Post going on strike?
Cynry
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
810 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-07 22:38:05
July 07 2016 22:34 GMT
#8492
I know this shop does custom order of some kind. Their basic model is a ventile sass smock of the british army. Not sure how far they're willing to drift from this model, but considering every jacket is hand made it's worth a shot if you're interested. Build quality is rock solid, price is fair (I mean, they sell military clothing, you're not paying for design or hype here :D).
I wore a full set for some times, and sure, it's great to go into the wild, but I discovered a whole new world in towns as well. I discovered that you could be warm all winter long :D. I sold it since, since their basic model worn in civil context makes you look like a hobo (litteraly, someone tried to give me money), but I never forgot the sensation, hence why I'm into high-end clothing now (nor fashion or military though).
About Acronym, I like their design too. Too many accessories for my taste, but there is a modern samourai vibe that strikes a cord for me.
ZeroChrome
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1001 Posts
July 07 2016 22:53 GMT
#8493
On July 08 2016 04:24 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Ventile is good stuff, always wanted a ventile raincoat but very few brands make it. Thing with performance wear is, as much as I like the higher end stuff, I don't do many things that require their utility, and I doubt people who parkour or mountain climb would find a big difference between Veilance and Arc'teryx/Burton. I understand I'm paying extra for design, hype, etc. And even though Acronym has a loyal following, I still think their designs are generally underappreciated. The way they reconstructed the Lunar Force 1s and Air Prestos were brilliant. It's apparent when you compare them to other Nike/designer collabs.

Edit: Is Canada Post going on strike?


I thought they'd already been on strike for a few days now?
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-07 23:59:06
July 07 2016 23:24 GMT
#8494
Idk news travels slow to the US. I hope the workers get what they demand, but I'm also concerned with whether or not Canadian shops will fulfill their orders.

Meanwhile, Gosha Rubchinskiy is my best friend:

zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
July 08 2016 03:40 GMT
#8495
ok i drunk kopped the last pair of vegan ramones on calculus.
Pulselol
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada1628 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-09 00:34:39
July 09 2016 00:33 GMT
#8496
what's there to say i just bought a j1a-gt because i think it looks cool and i like to be waterproof

my profession is also creative and i can wear whatever the hell i want whenever i want

worth every penny to me (also i got it for 900 euros like c'mon that's a pretty damn good deal)

canada post also postponing the strike for a month!! better be quick!!!!!!
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-09 06:30:43
July 09 2016 06:28 GMT
#8497
omg i just got my first pair of like legitimate raw selvedge jeans (N&F) i'm so happy :')

it's the super skinny fit and i'm working out so i anticipate some stretching in the butt/crotch area lol, but fuck i love them so much

edit: btw N&F is sanforized denim = I shouldn't need to soak them first, right?
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
July 09 2016 07:18 GMT
#8498
Yes, I'm fairly certain that all N&F is sanforized.
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
July 09 2016 07:52 GMT
#8499
Sweet, thanks! RIP my hand color for the next couple months tho hah
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-11 02:10:11
July 11 2016 01:56 GMT
#8500
Went to a fancy wedding reception with yuppie Koreans, noticed most of them had better tailored suits than I did, most likely MTM. Tried to be cute with a Dries exotic print tie but no one gave a shit. Also, everyone had those spread collars with the points hidden.
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