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keiraknightlee
United States301 Posts
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Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
It's just full of displaced people and therefore poor, not to mention there's significant language barriers there. | ||
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Lewan72
United States381 Posts
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kukarachaa
United States284 Posts
On January 16 2012 03:09 hypercube wrote: Here's a question: IF gun laws were part of the problem would you support changing them? The intentional homicide rate in the US is 4.8/100,000 The EU average is around 1.5. If the US had the same homicide rate it would mean about 10,000 less deaths per year. Maybe gun laws don't make a difference at all. Maybe they are responsible for 10% or 50%. Where would you draw the line? If you're not sure what the effect is, is it ok to dismiss it out of hand? You may be supporting a policy that causes thousands of deaths each year. Don't you feel a responsibility to actually inform yourself, instead of taking the position that seems most convenient? First of all i am against gun control and own a handgun, with that out of the way I dont believe u can say outlaw guns in U.S. and u'll have the same murder statistics as in Europe, with Mexico being next to us how fucked their situation is and how easy it is getting stuff across the border, all that gun control will accomplish are more gun cartels and a lot more violence and highly unlikely anything will change except law abiding citizens will have less guns, if situation in Mexico changes then i might be ok with stricter gun control laws until then i am against it. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4742 Posts
On January 16 2012 03:17 hmunkey wrote: What are you talking about? You realize there are several cities in Iraq with more deaths in the last month than some of the cities on that list, right? But of course they aren't listed for whatever reason. Oh, and what about Damascus? How many 1000s of people have died so far in the last few months? Shouldn't that be at the very top? Where is Tripoli, Manama, Mogadishu, etc? I can think of dozens upon dozens of missing cities where more people die every year from violent causes. And there's the whole issue of ineffective policing and under-reporting of crime. This entire "study" is built on incompletely information and is meaningless. You cannot make a list and exclude the actual top ranks for arbitrary reasons. It's like if I make a list of the top SC2 players and left out MVP, MMA, Nestea, DRG, etc. without giving a reason. Hopefully you would all realize how full of shit that list would be. Actualy You are the one spilling nosense all the time. You have no idea what You are talking about. Get educated about the actual numbers before posting again. Ps. The total war related casulties in Iraq in 2011 is 4059 according to Iraqi Body Count.Half of that would have to happen in Baghdad in order to put it in 50 place on that list. | ||
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Egyptian_Head
South Africa508 Posts
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
IF gun laws were part of the problem would you support changing them? Since places like oh almost all of South and Central America have far more restrictive gun laws and also have way more murders including gun murders, your hypothetical is a pointless rhetorical gain. Who cares "IF" American gun laws were the problem because they are not. No matter how much you believe they are, and no matter how many irrelevant questions asked to try to slide around and through to an unsupportable position you couldn't reach otherwise. If you're not sure what the effect is, is it ok to dismiss it out of hand? Is it? You may be supporting a policy that causes thousands of deaths each year. Don't you feel a responsibility to actually inform yourself, instead of taking the position that seems most convenient? Don't you feel that same responsibility, instead of taking the same old position you're comfortable with? What are you talking about? You realize there are several cities in Iraq with more deaths in the last month than some of the cities on that list, right? Which ones? And where would those cities lie on the list if included? Somewhere down near the lower end. But of course they aren't listed for whatever reason. Because the list is a list of criminal murder, not war killing or war crimes. Those are, rightly or wrongly, viewed as transient and not normal situations that would skew the picture. If you want to be broad then Homs, Syria, wouldn't even be on the list six months ago, and today it would be Number One. And in six more months it would be gone again. Now what help would that be to people trying to do studies on crime and diminishing it? Oh, and what about Damascus? How many 1000s of people have died so far in the last few months? Shouldn't that be at the very top? Where is Tripoli, Manama, Mogadishu, etc? I can think of dozens upon dozens of missing cities where more people die every year from violent causes. And there's the whole issue of ineffective policing and under-reporting of crime. Actually you probably can't, because even if we include cities ushered in under your broader guidelines, most of those cities already up there would still have more murders and be more dangerous, particularly the ones in Mexico, Brazil, and Venezuela. | ||
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Asshat
593 Posts
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On January 16 2012 03:25 kukarachaa wrote: First of all i am against gun control and own a handgun, with that out of the way I dont believe u can say outlaw guns in U.S. and u'll have the same murder statistics as in Europe, with Mexico being next to us how fucked their situation is and how easy it is getting stuff across the border, all that gun control will accomplish are more gun cartels and a lot more violence and highly unlikely anything will change except law abiding citizens will have less guns, if situation in Mexico changes then i might be ok with stricter gun control laws until then i am against it. OK, but why do you think gun laws aren't the reason for higher murder rates? | ||
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Durp
Canada3117 Posts
If you'd like to know why these cities made this list, look up the average household income in the 50 cities listed. Voila, you will have your reasoning. Poor people and poor living conditions often lead to an increase in crime rate. | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
Were Brazil a country with little crime and corruption I dare to say our nation would make it to the first world..... | ||
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JackDragon
525 Posts
On January 16 2012 03:17 hmunkey wrote: What are you talking about? You realize there are several cities in Iraq with more deaths in the last month than some of the cities on that list, right? But of course they aren't listed for whatever reason. Oh, and what about Damascus? How many 1000s of people have died so far in the last few months? Shouldn't that be at the very top? Where is Tripoli, Manama, Mogadishu, etc? I can think of dozens upon dozens of missing cities where more people die every year from violent causes. And there's the whole issue of ineffective policing and under-reporting of crime. This entire "study" is built on incompletely information and is meaningless. You cannot make a list and exclude the actual top ranks for arbitrary reasons. It's like if I make a list of the top SC2 players and left out MVP, MMA, Nestea, DRG, etc. without giving a reason. Hopefully you would all realize how full of shit that list would be. Please feel free to show me some statistics that show that other cities toped the ones listed during 2011. As I said I do think some cities had more murders but since war in particular don't count every victim and publish it it is hard to find true statistic over those places. Not to mention that the victims in Iraq and Syria might not necesserly be in a city or the same city thus not granting them a place in top 50 even though the country on avarage is more violent. Also your metaphor suck since the reason obviously is lack of statistics which would not be the case of MVP, MMA, etc. Edit: Also if you don't find that the high rate in 4 cities in USA is alarming even if there are worse cities out there, I don't know what to say. South Africa, and Brazil have the excuse of being extreamly poor and being considered Third world countries. Mexico and Iraq have the excuse of war and terrorism. US don't have any excuse for so high rates. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On January 16 2012 01:47 Count9 wrote: YEAHHH!!! We made it! Go Saint louis!!! I'm actually really surprised some of the smaller cities in China and south west Asia aren't on this list, they are a total mess. I guess they aren't completely doing this per capita because those cities would have ridiculously high rates. We are talking about crime here, stuffs such as car accidents or government violence are not included. | ||
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Marais
Brazil26 Posts
On January 16 2012 03:38 Durp wrote: I don't know why this conversation broke down into a debate on gun control. If you'd like to know why these cities made this list, look up the average household income in the 50 cities listed. Voila, you will have your reasoning. Poor people and poor living conditions often lead to an increase in crime rate. I mostly agree with that, but, for example: Curitiba is one of the cities in Brazil with higher HDI lowest inequality, and its still in the ranking. I really don't thint this ranking says much | ||
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SaoPaulo
Brazil62 Posts
But yea, Brazil is a country with almost the same size as the whole USA or even bigger If Alaska is not included, as a developing country, the tedency is to get better time after time, while in developed countries, with the crisys, I see many international friends telling me that their neighborhood is full of thiefs and stuff like that. As someone said before, the most dangerous city in the country are in the least developed regions (north and northeast regions), unlikely USA, where the south is below in terms of economy and security compared to the north. Cities like Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro and others are actually getting better in terms of homicide rate. Just to give you an example, in 1998 Rio de Janeiro had an homicide rate of almost 100/100.000. Now it`s close to 20/100.000. Sao Paulo nowadays is below than 10 / 100.000, which is, according to some organizations, a good homicide rate. And please, do not think South America as "a" country, as if here everything is dangerous. Chile, for example, is safer than USA. While in USA its homicide rate is 5 / 100,00, Chile is similar to european countries. Same goes to Uruguay, some parts of Argentina and even in the countryside of the most developed states of Brazil (like Sao Paulo, Santa Catarina, Parana and Rio Grande do Sul). | ||
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Chuiu
3470 Posts
Can't really say I'm surprised when the military walks the streets with Ak's and everyone who can hires people to watch their property for them at night. (Can't say a week didn't go by without hearing about someone getting killed, no close relatives have ever been murdered though) Most of the killing seems to happen in the lower class. | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On January 16 2012 03:31 DeepElemBlues wrote: Since places like oh almost all of South and Central America have far more restrictive gun laws and also have way more murders including gun murders, your hypothetical is a pointless rhetorical gain. Who cares "IF" American gun laws were the problem because they are not. No matter how much you believe they are, and no matter how many irrelevant questions asked to try to slide around and through to an unsupportable position you couldn't reach otherwise. Well, obviously if someone supports gun laws regardless of their consequences than I wouldn't try to debate them. Or if they said it's an acceptable price to pay to have a balance against government power, etc. And it makes sense logically to separate the two questions. You can't make an informed decision on gun laws without making an unbiased estimate of their consequences. Don't you feel that same responsibility, instead of taking the same old position you're comfortable with? IDK, from the data I've seen and simple logic I feel fairly confident that gun ownership doesn't decrease violent crime significantly. But if someone showed me data that seemed to suggest the opposite I'd certainly feel responsible to take a look at it. | ||
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smokeyhoodoo
United States1021 Posts
On January 16 2012 03:21 havox_ wrote: is that your pro-guns argument? <3 (answer: cuz the country is a lot richer - ppl dont have as many problems that make them kill each other. different situation -> plz dont use this as an pro guns argument) You can't be serious. Who the hell goes through the mental steps of answering a rhetorical question and somehow misses the point entirely? | ||
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iDope
Saudi Arabia223 Posts
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green.at
Austria1459 Posts
On January 16 2012 03:22 KalWarkov wrote: capital of somalia. €: The CS 1.6 player "Spawn" was born there he was asking "where on the list is mogadishu".... | ||
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