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On January 16 2012 02:54 Solidarity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 02:51 isleyofthenorth wrote:
no surprise that only the US out of the highest developed countries made that list with their gun laws etc Blaming the U.S. out of every developed country due to their "gun laws etc" shows a very high amount of ignorance to the overall cause of these issues. If you think that the people causing these crimes own a legal firearm, you are sorely mistaken. And for the record, I am very anti gun. These cities are infested to the core with drug and gang problems, neither of which concern the issue of firearm laws at all.
Here's a question: IF gun laws were part of the problem would you support changing them?
The intentional homicide rate in the US is 4.8/100,000
The EU average is around 1.5. If the US had the same homicide rate it would mean about 10,000 less deaths per year. Maybe gun laws don't make a difference at all. Maybe they are responsible for 10% or 50%. Where would you draw the line?
If you're not sure what the effect is, is it ok to dismiss it out of hand? You may be supporting a policy that causes thousands of deaths each year. Don't you feel a responsibility to actually inform yourself, instead of taking the position that seems most convenient?
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Its just a shame that that there is several areas in the Middle East and Southeast Asia missing data and practically all of Africa. I think if we had data for them the list would be extremely different. I wouldn't be surprised if Congo as a whole is worse than Mexico.
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Don't know why people are surprised about St. Louis, East St. Louis is pretty bad.
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Are you sure cities in Asia and Africa are so much safer? There's definitely got to be some (a lot) of bias here. As if South America definitively keeps better murder records than other continents full of third-world nations.
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On January 16 2012 01:46 Darpa wrote:
Crazy, Weird how some of the US cities are way up there, even though they seem to be run in the mill cities (Baltimore, St, Louis. Ect). New orleans was a big shock.
Other than those, not a whole lot of suprises.
When i hear Baltimore i think of The Wire :D.
Ye random reply i know.
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They just need to start playing Starcraft 2 and the murders will stop.
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On January 16 2012 02:51 isleyofthenorth wrote:
no surprise that only the US out of the highest developed countries made that list with their gun laws etc
Why aren't your neighbors to the west on the list?
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Huh...didnt' think that those US cities were that violent... Need to start cleaning up your act!!
I blame the drugs for most of those Latin American cities being on there without a doubt.
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Where the fuck is Mogadishu?
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On January 16 2012 02:45 JackDragon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 02:37 hmunkey wrote:
The entire premise of the OP is false, seeing as it's a ranking of the most violent cities with dozens of the most violent ones excluded for no discernible reason. It's a list of violence as counted by official murder rates (?) when actual violent cities aren't predominantly marked by murders, but by terrorism and war.
You guys need to learn how to use your brains. I don't know if I can agree wih you. War and Terrorism is not murder? why would that not count in this study. Granted that they problebly missed some because of lack of statistics but I don't see how "The entire premise of the OP is false" sure I don't think it is 100% accurate, but I don't think it is that far from the truth. Hell isn't mexico toping that list? What do you think they deal with? I'm pretty sure that can be called terrorism and war (on drugs).
What are you talking about? You realize there are several cities in Iraq with more deaths in the last month than some of the cities on that list, right? But of course they aren't listed for whatever reason. Oh, and what about Damascus? How many 1000s of people have died so far in the last few months? Shouldn't that be at the very top? Where is Tripoli, Manama, Mogadishu, etc? I can think of dozens upon dozens of missing cities where more people die every year from violent causes. And there's the whole issue of ineffective policing and under-reporting of crime.
This entire "study" is built on incompletely information and is meaningless. You cannot make a list and exclude the actual top ranks for arbitrary reasons.
It's like if I make a list of the top SC2 players and left out MVP, MMA, Nestea, DRG, etc. without giving a reason. Hopefully you would all realize how full of shit that list would be.
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Interesting how little you are talking about Brazil, well now you know why we have the best fighters in teh world, its a violent culture
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Yay! My city is the 39th. :D
No, seriously, I never knew Brazil was so dangerous. o_o
We hear a lot of stories of people being killed and their bodies dumped at random places, but I never thought they were for real.
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Interesting that there isn't a single Asian city in that list, especially after recent events over the past few years
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On January 16 2012 03:16 Eiaco wrote:
Where the fuck is Mogadishu?
I asked myself the same question. guess there's no data/no accurate data...
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On January 16 2012 03:18 Hassybaby wrote:
Interesting that there isn't a single Asian city in that list, especially after recent events over the past few years
Yeah, because the list is garbage.
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To be honest, I don't think gun control laws make that much of a difference. In most places in Latin America guns are very strictly controlled, and yet you see those numbers.
I think the key issue behind violence is 1) poverty and 2) the drug trade, when talking about Latin America.
That's why some countries in South America, Argentina, Chile and Uruguay in particular, are far, far more peaceful in comparison to their northern neighbours. They have higher standars of living and are located away from the drug trade routes.
On January 16 2012 03:17 hmunkey wrote:
What are you talking about? You realize there are several cities in Iraq with more deaths in the last month than some of the cities on that list, right? But of course they aren't listed for whatever reason. Oh, and what about Damascus? How many 1000s of people have died so far in the last few months? Shouldn't that be at the very top? Where is Tripoli, Manama, Mogadishu, etc? I can think of dozens upon dozens of missing cities where more people die every year from violent causes. And there's the whole issue of ineffective policing and under-reporting of crime.
This entire "study" is built on incompletely information and is meaningless. You cannot make a list and exclude the actual top ranks for arbitrary reasons.
It's like if I make a list of the top SC2 players and left out MVP, MMA, Nestea, DRG, etc. without giving a reason. Hopefully you would all realize how full of shit that list would be.
You can't include data from countries that aren't keeping such data. I really doubt that there were official figures of murder during the Lybian civil war, or during the current uprising in Syria. And most of Africa doesn't keep such records, and maybe in some of the more authoritarian states in Asia the goverment doesn't reveal the real figures, who knows?
This isn't supposed to be some magical and perfect ranking that accounts for every single murder in the world, is just to shed light on what we do know about violence in the modern world.
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On January 16 2012 03:14 peekn wrote:
Huh...didnt' think that those US cities were that violent... Need to start cleaning up your act!!
I blame the drugs for most of those Latin American cities being on there without a doubt.
When I visited the US, I noticed that there are two types of places. The places where you think "the standard of living here is so high, jesus, I wish I lived here". And then the places where you think "I thought the USA was a first world country". For example, I visited Richmond, VA and I was happily driving along, then all of a sudden, I entered Petersburg, VA and I felt like I was going to get shot at any minute.
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These are obviously homicides that aren't committed by the governments so it's not very accurate.
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On January 16 2012 03:14 smokeyhoodoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 02:51 isleyofthenorth wrote:
no surprise that only the US out of the highest developed countries made that list with their gun laws etc Why aren't your neighbors to the west on the list?
is that your pro-guns argument? <3
(answer: cuz the country is a lot richer - ppl dont have as many problems that make them kill each other.
different situation -> plz dont use this as an pro guns argument)
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On January 16 2012 03:19 wBsKillian wrote:I asked myself the same question. guess there's no data/no accurate data...
capital of somalia.
€: The CS 1.6 player "Spawn" was born there
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