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On January 24 2012 17:12 NMx.StyX wrote:
hot damn... a 17year old achieving what thousands of other scientists couldn't with their 20+ years of knowledge and research... Thats pretty god damn jaw dropping. And this was at a science fair too, a fkin 17 year old achieving more than all the past cancer researchers for better treatment.
Read the article. It's a delivery system, not an actual treatment.  It's a great accomplishment, but to say that it eclipses cancer research is complete hyperbole. She would probably be the first person to tell you that this is based off the work of others. Standing on the shoulders of giants. Hopefully she becomes a giant someday.
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Isn't there any concern for the after effect of curing cancer? Don't get me wrong it's a terrible disease, but people need to look at the role that disease plays in an ecosystem. Curing cancer would cause a huge increase in population one that the world may not be able to sustain for us, or a super cancer that becomes immune to the cure that we create. I dunno just a thought.
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On January 24 2012 17:12 NMx.StyX wrote:
hot damn... a 17year old achieving what thousands of other scientists couldn't with their 20+ years of knowledge and research... Thats pretty god damn jaw dropping. And this was at a science fair too, a fkin 17 year old achieving more than all the past cancer researchers for better treatment.
Apparently, as was already said earlier in the thread, she basically copied something that was already done. So no, she didn't achieve anything more than past cancer researchers have achieved. :S That said, what she copied was a delivery mechanism, not a cure for cancer. In other words, basically, she didn't achieve much as she did something that already was done. It's like me making a Tesla coil and it being made out like I innovated and invented it. Nope. Nik Tesla. It's a good idea to read the thread, especially the OP :S.
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On January 25 2012 04:34 Trict wrote:
Isn't there any concern for the after effect of curing cancer? Don't get me wrong it's a terrible disease, but people need to look at the role that disease plays in an ecosystem. Curing cancer would cause a huge increase in population one that the world may not be able to sustain for us, or a super cancer that becomes immune to the cure that we create. I dunno just a thought.
imo cancer research is like a hole people can throw their money into and feel good about themselves. I'd wager there never will be a cure for cancer just from my knowledge of it through schoolings and speaking with profs o_O It's not really that sad I guess since technology has increased our lifespans so much so that cancer sounds like population control
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My dad works for Siemens.
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On December 15 2011 17:51 hahaimhenry wrote:
FlaSh: is probably like, "But I won an OSL when I was 15..." NO FLASH, NOBODY CARES ANYMORE
LOL
Quite an amazing feat indeed !
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On December 15 2011 18:52 SnetteL wrote:1000 hours of work... That's not a lot! Taken into account she needs to read up about all the current technologies and their drawbacks, that she's only 17 and probably? doesn't have the basics for jumping onto such a problem 1000 hours is a joke. It would be hard to imagine that a 17 year old had such a breakthrough in a well researched field while her title doesn't even contain anything innovative. Nevertheless, she must have done something, and to just be involved into this kind of research at her age is very impressive. Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 18:45 OrchidThief wrote:
I'd really be interested in just exactly how much of this is actual innovation. I've been hearing about local drug release systems ever since I started uni. Sounds like they just meshed together a bunch of technology that people are already working on everywhere gave it a fancy title and called it a day. There is no way this group of highschoolers understands all these fields being thrown together sufficiently to revolutionize it to any degree.
There's a lot of sensationalization going on here, and it's really hard to figure out what exactly it was they came up with themselves. I agree. Pretty much this. Cool science project submission, but when you factor in the fact that thousands of PhD recipients and medical researches spend millions of dollars into cancer research annually and all those hours in the lab, I find it really hard to believe that a 17 year old high school girl in a mere 1,000 hours innovated something that flew over the heads of the previously mentioned researchers (who are more experienced and more deeply educated) who all spent a combined millions of hours working on the same problem.
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This is super cool. She deserves every bit of that ~$100 / hour she spent on this. Here's hoping lightning strikes twice with research on another disease soon :3
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I would feel like an underachiver if this girl also got C- on ICCup !
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On January 25 2012 04:34 Trict wrote:
Isn't there any concern for the after effect of curing cancer? Don't get me wrong it's a terrible disease, but people need to look at the role that disease plays in an ecosystem. Curing cancer would cause a huge increase in population one that the world may not be able to sustain for us, or a super cancer that becomes immune to the cure that we create. I dunno just a thought.
This idea could be applied to any medical technology. It's rather shortsighted, however, because you also ignore the fact that humans are innovating in other fields that will also increase capacity for higher populations, and that once it becomes a pressing demand, it, too will receive such proportionate response in investment, study, and development.
Also, if you know what cancer actually is, there's no such thing as "super cancer."
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My question.. How? Where do you obtain the intellect to not only understand this, but to actually create something out of this? I'm confused on so many levels.
1,000 hours of what? How much research was involved? Is she just a natural at biology..? Like, I can't even begin to comprehend how.
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On January 24 2012 15:30 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 14:50 ticklishmusic wrote:On January 24 2012 14:46 dAPhREAk wrote:
thought the thread was bumped because she had cured cancer. instead, some dude with a chip on his shoulder decides to shit on her.... not cool dude... I'm just saying that her research is not original at all. I really hate seeing articles where the author makes a discovery or event seem like it's a huge deal or really groundbreaking when it really isn't. Then I pointed out that Siemens has some problems in their selection process based on personal experience. Well, if that's the case, then wtf is going on here. Could they really be that dumb?
Yes. It's also possible she has some sort of connection with the judges. For example, if you work in a lab, someone at the institution might be a judge, or know one of the judges. It's simple for them to be like "oh, I have this girl working in my lab. She's doing a project on X. You should give it a look." I had a friend who competed in ISEF (different science fair track), and her dad gave her a draft research proposal and told her to go crazy with it. In short, science fair judging can be pretty messed up.
There are hundreds of research papers in hundreds of topics being published, written, editted every day. The judges can't read all of them either.
To be fair though, most likely what she did was make some minor contribution to the field of knowledge-- like test out something that sounds complicated to layman, but in the field was a relatively simple experiment that hadn't been done or published about yet. My own project was of that sort (though I suppose the buzzword "cancer" is a lot cooler sounding than "cellulase" or "ethanol". That's what most "higher-level" science fair projects do.
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On December 15 2011 18:51 ShadeR wrote:
Nice job but we have an overpopulation problem.
Fact: everyone in the world can live comfortably in Texas. Also this makes me feel even more like a bum lol. A article about over population. http://ingles.homeunix.net/rants/density.html
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On January 25 2012 04:34 Trict wrote:
Isn't there any concern for the after effect of curing cancer? Don't get me wrong it's a terrible disease, but people need to look at the role that disease plays in an ecosystem. Curing cancer would cause a huge increase in population one that the world may not be able to sustain for us, or a super cancer that becomes immune to the cure that we create. I dunno just a thought.
Two things: Cancer isn't caused by a microbe. It is a natural mutation of any cell in our body, and is usually caused by gamma radiation (skin cancer) or carcinogenic particles (lung,colon cancer especially). It would be impossible to stop cancerous cells from being produced, but instead we work on destroying tumors. Destroying tumors without killing the host = curing cancer.
Secondly, an interesting fact about death statistics: Curing cancer would simply increase the amount of deaths due to other causes. Lets say for discussion sake 1/4 of our population dies of cancer, and 1/2 from heart disease. If we cure cancer, than we can assume about 5/8 of all deaths are now caused by heart disease.
People might live a few years longer, but there would be no great surge of population.
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Wow. I, like far too many people, have lost someone important to me to cancer. That was an event that literally changed my whole life.
It's really great that this girl was able to take such a great step forward for the betterment of the world. Cancer's terrible, and I am looking forward eagerly to the day when the human race finally defeats it.
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On December 15 2011 17:44 wishbones wrote:
instead of 2 years military service, all of us should have mandatory 1000 hours spent trying to better the planet.
I agree 100% with this statement :D
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So... the ONLY reason you people are interested in this story is because of this girl's age.
If you were interested in the scientific achievement half as much as you seem to be then TL would be flooded with phD papers on discoveries/advancements in cancer that are as impressive or more impressive than a carrier for drugs that is able to target certain cancer cells above healthy cells...
This strategy for treating cancer is decades old and researchers have been developing numerous ways to make drug carriers for different types of cancer... this girl just happens to be one more researcher in this genre of science/engineering...
I don't claim to know the details of this story, but I can almost guarantee that there are more talented, intelligent, innovative and older(OMG) researchers who deserved funding more than she did...
So while we are on the subject of privileged teenagers abusing mommy/daddies connections/money/resources to make themselves feel special... A SIXTEEN year old girl has sailed around the world recently!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2089989/Laura-Dekker-Dutch-girl-16-youngest-sail-world-own.html
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On January 25 2012 07:31 Zinroc wrote:So... the ONLY reason you people are interested in this story is because of this girl's age. If you were interested in the scientific achievement half as much as you seem to be then TL would be flooded with phD papers on discoveries/advancements in cancer that are as impressive or more impressive than a carrier for drugs that is able to target certain cancer cells above healthy cells... This strategy for treating cancer is decades old and researchers have been developing numerous ways to make drug carriers for different types of cancer... this girl just happens to be one more researcher in this genre of science/engineering... I don't claim to know the details of this story, but I can almost guarantee that there are more talented, intelligent, innovative and older(OMG) researchers who deserved funding more than she did... So while we are on the subject of privileged teenagers abusing mommy/daddies connections/money/resources to make themselves feel special... A SIXTEEN year old girl has sailed around the world recently! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2089989/Laura-Dekker-Dutch-girl-16-youngest-sail-world-own.html
Life isn't fair. It's plausible that this kind of story bring in more funds than some other dude that no one gives a damn about would have if they did the exact the same research. Fair? No. Benefitial? Probably. Means to an end.
It would be great if people cared for this kind of stuff without the sensationalist angle but sadly we can't control what people care about.
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