• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 20:31
CET 01:31
KST 09:31
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros9[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting10[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win52025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!10BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION1Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams10Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest4
StarCraft 2
General
Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win Weekly Cups (Oct 13-19): Clem Goes for Four DreamHack Open 2013 revealed
Tourneys
Kirktown Chat Brawl #9 $50 8:30PM EST 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment
Brood War
General
SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review Ladder Map Matchup Stats BW General Discussion [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals Small VOD Thread 2.0 The Casual Games of the Week Thread BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION
Strategy
How to stay on top of macro? Current Meta PvZ map balance Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Beyond All Reason Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Big Programming Thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Career Paths and Skills for …
TrAiDoS
KPDH "Golden" as Squid Game…
Peanutsc
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1857 users

Kurt Vonnegut Appreciation Thread - Page 2

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 Next All
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
November 11 2011 07:10 GMT
#21
On November 11 2011 15:25 Mtndrew wrote:
I've always loved this video as a way to see what Vonnegut the person acted like. He was just as witty as when he wrote.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-september-13-2005/kurt-vonnegut


Great vid man. I added it to the OP.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
_fool
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands678 Posts
November 11 2011 07:16 GMT
#22
Cat's Cradle, Breakfast of Champions, Galapagos are my favorites. In fact I liked Bluebeard too (@Kimaker: you gotta appreciate the concept of a famous painter using paint that literally falls apart after some time ). Somehow Player Piano never struck home with me, so if anyone can shed on light on that one I'm interested

I like Vonnegut because of his clever post-modern use of the English language, and his ability to introduce strange new concepts that immediately appeal to the reader. I occasionally spot Karasses and Granfalloons in real life
"News is to the mind what sugar is to the body"
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 08:22:32
November 11 2011 07:19 GMT
#23
On November 11 2011 16:16 _fool wrote:
Cat's Cradle, Breakfast of Champions, Galapagos are my favorites. In fact I liked Bluebeard too (@Kimaker: you gotta appreciate the concept of a famous painter using paint that literally falls apart after some time ). Somehow Player Piano never struck home with me, so if anyone can shed on light on that one I'm interested

I like Vonnegut because of his clever post-modern use of the English language, and his ability to introduce strange new concepts that immediately appeal to the reader. I occasionally spot Karasses and Granfalloons in real life


Ha! Yeah, my wife loves Piano but she is into those style of anti-Utopian, 1984 novels. I think it is okay, just that he really had not found his voice yet at all.
I used to have a band called Foma a long time ago...and I always notice things from Bokonism in real life. Don't forget about wrang-wrangs.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
November 11 2011 07:26 GMT
#24
Brilliant writer. Seldom found books that were so easy to read, yet had such enormous depth. Wish he was still around

Fantasy Fan! Gogogo vultures
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-11 07:40:37
November 11 2011 07:39 GMT
#25
On November 11 2011 16:26 Lann555 wrote:
Brilliant writer. Seldom found books that were so easy to read, yet had such enormous depth. Wish he was still around



On the death of Vonnegut:
I was a huge Vonnegut fan for years before he passed. All my friends knew it and knew he was my hero.

I was at work one night when I get messages from a couple friends on my phone saying "Oh, sorry about Vonnegut" and "Sorry for your loss". I knew right then and there that he must have died...along with my dream of meeting him someday. Oh well. At least we have his body of work.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
Omnipresent
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States871 Posts
November 11 2011 08:06 GMT
#26
This Mural was just added to a building in downtown Indianapolis (off Massachusetts Ave. for anyone familiar with the area).
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

I'd imagine he'll have feet soon
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
November 11 2011 08:32 GMT
#27
On November 11 2011 17:06 Omnipresent wrote:
This Mural was just added to a building in downtown Indianapolis (off Massachusetts Ave. for anyone familiar with the area).
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

I'd imagine he'll have feet soon


Yeah, this is epic. I was invited to the opening of the Memorial Library, but unfortunately I could not go (due to living far away and travel and all that) but I am making it a point to head out that way.

His father was an architect and designed many old buildings in the Indy area. I want to see that city.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
November 11 2011 08:32 GMT
#28
one of my favorite writers... LOVE HIMMMMMMMM
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
November 11 2011 08:32 GMT
#29
sirens is one of my top 3 favorite books of all time. i still can't get over how the ending is so merciful despite the novel's frequent jabs at religion. kurt vonnegut blends the best of douglas adams and camus.
Moderatorhttps://soundcloud.com/castlesmusic/sets/oak
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
November 11 2011 08:37 GMT
#30
On November 11 2011 17:32 intrigue wrote:
sirens is one of my top 3 favorite books of all time. i still can't get over how the ending is so merciful despite the novel's frequent jabs at religion. kurt vonnegut blends the best of douglas adams and camus.


Great summation. That is what I love, his brand of humanism which is based on mercy and forgiveness for the sake of mercy and forgiveness, for the futurist ideal that we still have good days for humanity ahead.

On November 11 2011 17:32 iNcontroL wrote:
one of my favorite writers... LOVE HIMMMMMMMM


Woot! InControl in the Vonnegut house. =) Thanks for joining us brother.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
d00p
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
711 Posts
November 11 2011 08:39 GMT
#31
My favourite novelist. I pretty much agree with the grades in the OP. Didn't really enjoy his 80s stuff that much but then he returned to form with Timequake, which is an absolutely hilarious, autobiographical novel.

So my recommendations are:

1) Slaughterhouse (almost life changing to me and many people I've talked to)
2) Timequake (so funny!)
3) Just work your way through OP's list if you are into those two

Also, if you are not a native speaker I would still recommend reading in english. His english isn't that hard to comprehend and much of his appeal comes from the way he uses the language.
Sokalo
Profile Joined May 2010
United States375 Posts
November 11 2011 08:46 GMT
#32
I wear Vonnegut on my name tag at work. I seldom deal with any customers and I've been wearing it so long management doesn't question it. Every once in a while someone recognizes it.

My favorite excerpt, at least off the top of my head, which I think nails the simultaneous humor and depression that defined his writing.

From Breakfast of Champions:
+ Show Spoiler +
A lot of the nonsense was the innocent result of playfulness on the part of the founding fathers of the nation of Dwayne Hoover and Kilgore Trout. The founders were aristocrats, and they wished to show off their useless education, which consisted of the study of hocuspocus from ancient times. They were bum poets as well.

But some of the nonsense was evil, since it concealed great crimes. For example, teachers of children in the United States of America wrote this date on blackboards again and again, and asked the children to memorize it with pride and joy:

1492

The teachers told the children that this was when their continent was discovered by human beings. Actually, millions of human beings were already living full and imaginative lives on the continent in 1492. That was simply the year in which sea pirates began to cheat and rob and kill them.

Here was another piece of evil nonsense which children were taught: that the sea pirates eventually created a government which became a beacon of freedom to human beings everywhere else. There were pictures and statues of this supposed imaginary beacon for children to see. It was sort of an ice-cream cone on fire.

Actually, the sea pirates who had the most to do with the creation of the new government owned human slaves. They used human beings for machinery, and, even after slavery was eliminated, because it was so embarrassing, they and their descendants continued to think of ordinary human beings as machines.

The sea pirates were white. The people who were already on the continent when the pirates arrived were copper-colored. When slavery was introduced onto the continent, the slaves were black. Color was everything.

Here is how the pirates were able to take whatever they wanted from anybody else: they had the best boats in the world, and they were meaner than anybody else, and they had gunpowder, which was a mixture of potassium nitrate, charcoal, and sulphur. They touched this seemingly listless powder with fire, and it turned violently into gas. This gas blew projectiles out of metal tubes at terrific velocities. The projectiles cut through meat and bone very easily; so the pirates could wreck the wiring or the bellows or the plumbing of a stubborn human being, even when he was far, far away.

The chief weapon of the sea pirates, however, was their capacity to astonish. Nobody else could believe, until it was much too late, how heartless and greedy they were.

"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
defenestrate
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States579 Posts
November 11 2011 08:55 GMT
#33
I've read everything of his except Jailbird and Player Piano. The quality varies a lot. I reread Sirens of Titan every couple of years, while his last five were largely crap with occasional glimmers of wit. Slaughterhouse is overrated but still good IMO.

If you're starting to read him, Sirens > Cat's Cradle > Breakfast of Champions > short stories (consistently great) > Mother Night > Slaughterhouse. The rest can be safely skipped.
We believe that we invent symbols. The truth is that they invent us; we are their creatures, shaped by their hard, defining edges.
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
November 11 2011 09:19 GMT
#34
On November 11 2011 17:55 defenestrate wrote:
I've read everything of his except Jailbird and Player Piano. The quality varies a lot. I reread Sirens of Titan every couple of years, while his last five were largely crap with occasional glimmers of wit. Slaughterhouse is overrated but still good IMO.

If you're starting to read him, Sirens > Cat's Cradle > Breakfast of Champions > short stories (consistently great) > Mother Night > Slaughterhouse. The rest can be safely skipped.


While I disagree with your opinion, I do agree with the idea. There are some of the books and writings that can be skipped. Most notably that 75-85 period. Out of those books I feel Galapagos is a worthy read and Deadeye Dick is decent, but Slapstick and Jailbird can be easily be skipped and you are not missing much in the grand scheme of things.

His short stories are all good. I have not found one that I was disappointed in reading. I love "Next Door" and "Report on the Barnhouse Effect" a ton, and of course, the famous "Harrison Bergeron."
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-11 09:29:33
November 11 2011 09:29 GMT
#35
What is Nestea's favourite Vonnegut quote?
+ Show Spoiler +

Ting-a-ling! Ting-a-ling! Ting-a-lling!
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
November 11 2011 09:38 GMT
#36
“And Lot's wife, of course, was told not to look back where all those people and their homes had been. But she did look back, and I love her for that, because it was so human.
So she was turned into a pillar of salt. So it goes...

...this book is a failure. It had to be because it was written by a pillar of salt..."
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
drshdwpuppet
Profile Joined July 2011
United States332 Posts
November 11 2011 09:42 GMT
#37
I fell in love with Vonnegut after having Slaughterhouse 5 in a class, his style is delicious, kind of a more refined and subtle Douglas Adams. I love how his works are so layered, so complex in their delivery, while still being very accessible and never a chore to read. Definitely a top 5 author for me.
Enterprise was just temp banned for 1 week by Myles. Reason: You aren't a philosopher and warning aren't cutting it.
TailsPrower
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada94 Posts
November 11 2011 09:46 GMT
#38
I read Slaughter House Five for Grade 11 English and after that I immediately got some of Vonnegut's other works. Sirens, Cats Cradle and Welcome to the Monkey House(collection of short stories). By far my favourite author. Glad to see some appreciation for his work!
Twelve12
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia268 Posts
November 11 2011 09:49 GMT
#39
Absolutely love slaughterhouse 5, haven't read any others but plan to . The opening chapter of slaughterhouse 5 with the 'pillar of salt' passage is probably the most amazing thing I've ever read.
Wocks
Profile Joined October 2010
United States35 Posts
November 11 2011 09:53 GMT
#40
always wanted to read is books never really did : /
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
23:00
PiGosaur Cup #54
CranKy Ducklings79
Liquipedia
The PiG Daily
20:00
Best Games of SC
herO vs Clem
Solar vs Clem
Zoun vs Spirit
Clem vs MaxPax
PiGStarcraft483
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft483
Nathanias 114
RuFF_SC2 37
Vindicta 23
Dota 2
capcasts263
monkeys_forever250
PGG 105
League of Legends
Cuddl3bear7
Counter-Strike
Foxcn249
adren_tv145
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0257
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor141
Other Games
summit1g9456
Grubby2606
FrodaN2600
KnowMe124
Skadoodle88
ArmadaUGS49
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1444
StarCraft 2
angryscii 21
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• musti20045 37
• davetesta26
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix4
• ZZZeroYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21674
League of Legends
• Doublelift6492
• Hupsaiya88
Other Games
• imaqtpie1023
• tFFMrPink 10
Upcoming Events
Epic.LAN
11h 29m
BSL Team A[vengers]
13h 29m
Dewalt vs ZeLoT
UltrA vs ZeLoT
LAN Event
13h 29m
BSL 21
18h 29m
BSL Team A[vengers]
1d 13h
Cross vs Sobenz
Sziky vs IcaruS
LAN Event
1d 14h
BSL 21
1d 18h
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
CranK Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
BSL 21 Team A
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
SC4ALL: Brood War
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025

Upcoming

YSL S2
BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.