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TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-27 19:35:11
November 11 2011 04:46 GMT
#1
This is a thread to honor, appreciate, and discuss news for the late writer Kurt Vonnegut.

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“Hello, babies. Welcome to Earth. It’s hot in the summer and cold in the winter. It’s round and wet and crowded. At the outside, babies, you’ve got about a hundred years here. There’s only one rule that I know of, babies—God damn it, you’ve got to be kind.”


About:
Vonnegut is considered one of the great American writers and satirists. His books tend to be a mix of humanism, art, everyday life, morals, gallows humor, with the occasional alien race mixed in. Originally branded as a "sci-fi" writer from his early short stories and novels, he later evolved into writing more autobiographical work and social essays as well as being named the Honorary President of the American Humanist Association.

Being born and raised in Indiana, he traveled the world and worked various jobs while trying to establish himself as a writer. He had a life-changing experience while fighting and being a prisoner of war during WWII. Afterward he spent 20 years trying to work out his, as he put it, "Desden book," which eventually became his magnum opus and very controversial work "Slaughterhouse-Five."

Kurt was born on November 11th 1922 and died at the age of 84 in 2007 after complications from a slip and fall. He swore smoking non-filter Pall Malls for 70 years would do him in, but this prediction proved incorrect.

Vonnegut was known for his strange and experimental styles which included mixing autobiography and fiction, using hilarious hand-drawn pictures as part of the story, meeting his main character (and alter-ego) face to face in a novel, multiple titles for books, repetition or certain phrases and ideas, slow and ironic plots based around character storytelling, his tendency to tell you what is going to happen before it does, and his own world and cast of characters which pop up throughout his many books.

Why:
I write this because finding Vonnegut was one of those pivotal moments in my life. His books were such a simple read but resonated so deeply in me. Finally there was a voice for my hopes and disappointments that put my thoughts and ideas straight.
After struggling for years with my own reflections, a friend passed me a copy of Slaughterhouse-Five. I read it front to back in the course of an evening and reread it again the next day. I was sold from the opening title page.

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Come on, when a book opens like that, it could go anywhere!


This would have been his birthday (Nov. 11th) and I always celebrate in my own way. I am also a member and backer of the Vonnegut Society and Memorial Library and I hope his works will live on, giving a voice to people who struggle in today's world.

I hope to post news and talk Vonnegut in this thread. I will also update with links and resources to finding out more about this truly original voice of America.

Please think of this like a news and fan club. I am open to discuss problems or controversies with his writing, why you may not like his writing, but please let's leave any plain hate out of here.

Kurt's Tips on Writing:
1. Use the time of a total stranger in such a way that he or she will not feel the time was wasted.

2. Give the reader at least one character he or she can root for.

3. Every character should want something, even if it is only a glass of water.

4. Every sentence must do one of two things — reveal character or advance the action.

5. Start as close to the end as possible.

6. Be a Sadist. No matter how sweet and innocent your leading characters, make awful things happen to them-in order that the reader may see what they are made of.

7. Write to please just one person. If you open a window and make love to the world, so to speak, your story will get pneumonia.

8. Give your readers as much information as possible as soon as possible. To hell with suspense. Readers should have such complete understanding of what is going on, where and why, that they could finish the story themselves, should cockroaches eat the last few pages.


Novel List:
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Player Piano (1952)
The Sirens of Titan (1959)
Mother Night (1962)
Cat's Cradle (1963)
God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater or Pearls Before Swine (1965)
Slaughterhouse-Five or The Children's Crusade: A Duty Dance with Death (1969)
Breakfast of Champions or Goodbye Blue Monday (1973)
Slapstick or Lonesome No More! (1976)
Jailbird (1979)
Deadeye Dick (1982)
Galapagos: A Novel (1985)
Bluebeard, the Autobiography of Rabo Karabekian 1916-1988 (1987)
Hocus Pocus (1990)
Timequake (1997)


Collections:
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Canary in the Cathouse (Short Stories, 1961)
Welcome to the Monkey House (Short Stories, 1968)
Wampeters, Foma, and Granfalloons (Essays and Writings, 1974)
Palm Sunday: An Autobiographical Collage (1981)
Fates Worse Than Death: An Autobiographical Collage (1991)
Bagombo Snuff Box: Uncollected Short Fiction (Short Stories, 1999)
God Bless You, Dr. Kevorkian (Fictional Interviews with the Dead, 1999)
A Man Without a Country (Essays, 2005)
Armageddon in Restrospect and Other New and Unpublished Writings on War and Peace (Stories and Essays, Posthumous, 2008)
Look at the Birdie: Unpublished Fiction (Short Stories, Posthumous, 2009)
While Mortals Sleep: Unpublished Short Fiction (Short Stories, Posthumous, 2011)


Film Adaptations:
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Mother Night (1996)
Slaughterhouse-Five (1972)
Breakfast of Champions (1999)
Slapstick of Another Kind (Adaptation of Slapstick, 1982)
Welcome to the Monkey House TV Series (1991) - contains the stories "Displaced Person," "All the King's Horses," "EPICAC," "The Euphio Question," "The Foster Portfolio," "Harrison Bergeron," "More Stately Mansions," and "Next Door."
Who Am I This Time? (1982)
2081 (2009) Adaptation of Harrison Bergeron


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Vids:
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The Daily Show - 2005: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-september-13-2005/kurt-vonnegut
Awesome animated tribute: http://vimeo.com/27863510
KV making a cameo in "Back to School:"
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KV Discover Card Commercial:
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KV on the Shapes of Stories:
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Articles:
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Everything Was Beautiful...
15 Things Kurt Said Better Than Anyone
Derek Holland = Vonnegut?
About the Vonnegut Library
My Grandfather Kurt
Voice of Vonnegut
Epic Literary Mustaches
Semicolons: A Love Story
Kurt and Joe
Kurt's Rules for Reading Fiction
Kurt Vonnegut at the Writer's Workshop
Everything Was Beautiful and Nothing Hurt
Content Writing and Blogging with Kurt Vonnegut
Why Kurt Vonnegut and Valentine's Day Go Together
Neuroscience in Fiction: Slaughter-house Five
Most of What I Know About Writing I Learned from Kurt Vonnegut
Vonnegut Evangelism



Links:
Wikipedia: Kurt Vonnegut
Amazon Author Page: Vonnegut on Amazon
Official Site: http://www.vonnegut.com/
Memorial Library: http://www.vonnegutlibrary.org/

Personal Recommendations:
If you are new to Vonnegut, there are a few ways you can approach him. If you are a short story fan, start with "Welcome to the Monkey House" or "Bagombo Snuff Box." These collections will give you a good idea of the voice and style. Throughout the books you can even see him evolve as a writer.

If you are a novel person, the big ones to try are of course his masterpiece "Slaughterhouse-Five", his humorous take on science and religion in "Cat's Cradle," his psychological wit in "Breakfast of Champions," or a deeper side of art and life in "Bluebeard."

Personal Ratings:
Vonnegut once graded his books he had written up to that time. Here is my attempt to grade his novels.
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Player Piano (1952) - B-
The Sirens of Titan (1959) - B
Mother Night (1962) - B
Cat's Cradle (1963) - A
God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater or Pearls Before Swine (1965) - B+
Slaughterhouse-Five or The Children's Crusade: A Duty Dance with Death (1969) - A+
Breakfast of Champions or Goodbye Blue Monday (1973) - A
Slapstick or Lonesome No More! (1976) - C
Jailbird (1979) - C-
Deadeye Dick (1982) - C+
Galapagos: A Novel (1985) - B+
Bluebeard, the Autobiography of Rabo Karabekian 1916-1988 (1987) - A
Hocus Pocus (1990) - B+
Timequake (1997) - A-


Questions:
What are your favorite books? What did his writing mean to you? How did you discover Kurt Vonnegut?

Perfect Summation:
On November 11 2011 15:51 justjoe09 wrote:
Vonnegut is the reason I strive to read every day, why I hate and love the human race, why I try to make other people's lives a little bit better, why I'm cynical about the application of certain technology, why I'm concerned with societal "progress" and why I even attempted to start writing. Great thread.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8155 Posts
November 11 2011 04:50 GMT
#2
I read slaughterhouse-five in high school, it is still my favorite book (7 years later). Vonnegut is such a great writer and all of his work that I've read really speaks to me. Cat's Cradle is a close-second favorite.
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Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
November 11 2011 04:52 GMT
#3
Cat's Cradle is my favorite book of all time, Vonnegut is great
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Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
November 11 2011 05:15 GMT
#4
I have now read 8 of his works, (Slaughterhouse-five, Cat's Cradle, God Bless You Mr. Rosewater, Breakfast of Champions, Mother Night, Welcome to the Monkey House, The Sirens of Titan, and Player Piano) and intend to read all of them at some point in my life. I absolutely love Vonnegut, even my least favorite books of his are still securely in my top 100 all time.

I discovered him through a friend letting me borrow her copy of Slaughterhouse-five...and I became addicted almost immediately. I think I read Cat's Cradle in a single sitting.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
November 11 2011 05:18 GMT
#5
really enjoyed Sirens of Titan, and Welcome to the Monkey House. The latter is a collection of unique short stories.
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TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
November 11 2011 05:23 GMT
#6
On November 11 2011 14:15 Lemonwalrus wrote:
I have now read 8 of his works, (Slaughterhouse-five, Cat's Cradle, God Bless You Mr. Rosewater, Breakfast of Champions, Mother Night, Welcome to the Monkey House, The Sirens of Titan, and Player Piano) and intend to read all of them at some point in my life. I absolutely love Vonnegut, even my least favorite books of his are still securely in my top 100 all time.

I discovered him through a friend letting me borrow her copy of Slaughterhouse-five...and I became addicted almost immediately. I think I read Cat's Cradle in a single sitting.


Good to hear friend. How do you like the earlier stuff (Sirens, Piano, Mother) compared to the later stuff? I highly recommend Bluebeard and Timequake. I personally think that Timequake, while being a mix of fiction and autobiographical stuff, is also one of his more "secretive" best works in that not as many people know it well.

Also, I am going to update the thread soon, when I get time, with other assorted works. He wrote a children's book called "Sun Moon Star" and some other various essays and whatnot. He is the man.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-11 05:27:38
November 11 2011 05:27 GMT
#7
I have only read Slaughterhouse-Five and Cat's Cradle but I loved them both.
Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
November 11 2011 05:35 GMT
#8
On November 11 2011 14:23 TheAmazombie wrote:
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On November 11 2011 14:15 Lemonwalrus wrote:
I have now read 8 of his works, (Slaughterhouse-five, Cat's Cradle, God Bless You Mr. Rosewater, Breakfast of Champions, Mother Night, Welcome to the Monkey House, The Sirens of Titan, and Player Piano) and intend to read all of them at some point in my life. I absolutely love Vonnegut, even my least favorite books of his are still securely in my top 100 all time.

I discovered him through a friend letting me borrow her copy of Slaughterhouse-five...and I became addicted almost immediately. I think I read Cat's Cradle in a single sitting.


Good to hear friend. How do you like the earlier stuff (Sirens, Piano, Mother) compared to the later stuff? I highly recommend Bluebeard and Timequake. I personally think that Timequake, while being a mix of fiction and autobiographical stuff, is also one of his more "secretive" best works in that not as many people know it well.

Also, I am going to update the thread soon, when I get time, with other assorted works. He wrote a children's book called "Sun Moon Star" and some other various essays and whatnot. He is the man.

I actually found Player Piano to be my least favorite, but Mother Night and Sirens are both amazing, couldn't honestly tell you which one I liked more. However I do tend to agree with popular belief that Cat's Cradle and Slaughterhouse Five were his best novels. I've got a copy of Timequake but I kind of want to read the rest of his stuff in chronological order for no reason in particular.
OsoVega
Profile Joined December 2010
926 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-11 05:37:38
November 11 2011 05:36 GMT
#9
I enjoyed reading Slaughterhouse-Five. I don't agree with many of the ideas in the book but it was certainly well written and entertaining.
Mobius_1
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2763 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-11 05:39:04
November 11 2011 05:37 GMT
#10
Just read 2 B R O 2 B yesterday. Seems like a cool guy, will definitely read more or his works in the future.

Still catching up on my Wells and Verne and Poe and Lovecraft, so might be a while till I get around to him.

FYI Feedbooks has 2 B R O 2 B and Mars Girl and The Big Trip Up Yonder in their Public Domain, so go there if you want a taster, I suppose.
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TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-11 06:03:48
November 11 2011 06:03 GMT
#11
On November 11 2011 14:37 Mobius_1 wrote:
Just read 2 B R O 2 B yesterday. Seems like a cool guy, will definitely read more or his works in the future.

Still catching up on my Wells and Verne and Poe and Lovecraft, so might be a while till I get around to him.

FYI Feedbooks has 2 B R O 2 B and Mars Girl and The Big Trip Up Yonder in their Public Domain, so go there if you want a taster, I suppose.


Those are excellent short stories. Thanks for reminding that they are PD. Also, check out movie adaptations.

There are films for Slaughterhouse-Five, Breakfast of Champions, Harrison Bergeron and 2081 are both adaptations of the same short story as well.
Also the play "Happy Birthday, Wanda June" is a good piece as well that Vonnegut wrote.

I will update the OP with all of that when I get time to link it all out.
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Escoffier
Profile Joined May 2010
United States120 Posts
November 11 2011 06:13 GMT
#12
I just stopped in to say Timequake was absolutely hilarious and everyone should read it!
Mtndrew
Profile Joined May 2011
United States174 Posts
November 11 2011 06:25 GMT
#13
I've always loved this video as a way to see what Vonnegut the person acted like. He was just as witty as when he wrote.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-september-13-2005/kurt-vonnegut
Imabomb
Profile Joined June 2011
United States36 Posts
November 11 2011 06:34 GMT
#14
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Kimaker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2131 Posts
November 11 2011 06:51 GMT
#15
Absolutely loved Siren's of Titan, and Slaughterhouse Five; Cat's Cradle is currently on the list. Vonnegut has a very interesting style that fly's between genius and unbearable for me. Pretty much a "must-have" for any Sci-fi fan, and Harrison Burgeron is one of my top 5 favorite sci-fi shorts of all time.

That being said...



Is there anyone who LIKES Blue Beard? I mean honestly. No troll, that book was awful. So unlike his other works I can hardly fathom the same man writing it. Stylistically it's all there, but the style with which he writes just doesn't mesh well with the topic of that one.

Someone who liked Blue Beard, tell me why!?!? I feel like I might be missing something. (Though honestly I really do think it's just bad....)
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justjoe09
Profile Joined October 2011
United States27 Posts
November 11 2011 06:51 GMT
#16
Vonnegut is the reason I strive to read every day, why I hate and love the human race, why I try to make other people's lives a little bit better, why I'm cynical about the application of certain technology, why I'm concerned with societal "progress" and why I even attempted to start writing. Great thread.
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Canada635 Posts
November 11 2011 07:01 GMT
#17
Vonnegut scared the crap out of me after I read Slaughterhouse Five. I will never be the same.
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sheaRZerg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States613 Posts
November 11 2011 07:02 GMT
#18
Great OP. Probably my favorite writer (though I wont claim to be well read). Slaughterhouse 5, Breakfast of Champions and Welcome to the Monkey House are all amazing. I want to read Timequake at some point when I get the chance.
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TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-11 07:13:41
November 11 2011 07:09 GMT
#19
On November 11 2011 15:51 Kimaker wrote:
Absolutely loved Siren's of Titan, and Slaughterhouse Five; Cat's Cradle is currently on the list. Vonnegut has a very interesting style that fly's between genius and unbearable for me. Pretty much a "must-have" for any Sci-fi fan, and Harrison Burgeron is one of my top 5 favorite sci-fi shorts of all time.

That being said...



Is there anyone who LIKES Blue Beard? I mean honestly. No troll, that book was awful. So unlike his other works I can hardly fathom the same man writing it. Stylistically it's all there, but the style with which he writes just doesn't mesh well with the topic of that one.

Someone who liked Blue Beard, tell me why!?!? I feel like I might be missing something. (Though honestly I really do think it's just bad....)


Wow. I LOVE Bluebeard. It is personally one of my favorite novels of all time. Yes, I have to agree that it is different. It is one of the only novels of his that does not have anything even remotely "sci-fi" or "psychological" like in it. I like it because it is a story about a man's evolution with creativity and art. He is striving to communicate and learns how pretentious people can be about things.
He fought his entire life to create valuable artwork only to have it degenerate on him, basically his life's work and therefore he was fading away.

In the end the secret of the potato barn holds the details of life that he left out of if simplicity of his paintings. I just find it wonderful on the level of artistic expression and one's communication with that.
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Canada51 Posts
November 11 2011 07:10 GMT
#20
Slaughterhouse-Five was excellent, one of my favourites. Loved Cat's Cradle too, but I haven't check out anything else by him yet.
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