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I'm Chinese, and I love Sharks Fin Soup.
I think the ban is ridiculous at a municipal level. It's obviously a bad practice right now, I think it needs a temporary ban and strict regulation upon return.
The problem is that will be difficult to implement. One municipality's rush to "ban" sharks fin soup does very little in terms of saving sharks, but does disrupt efforts to implement a nationwide or worldwide solution.
So I like the idea of a restriction worldwide, but do not think it is within Toronto's mandate (legally or morally) to ban restaurants in Toronto from serving them. I think a legal challenge in this case would be quite likely to succeed.
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as long as they dont ban rocky mountain oysters, im happy
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On October 26 2011 23:31 Warlike Prince wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2011 23:25 SupLilSon wrote:On October 26 2011 23:09 Warlike Prince wrote:I dont really care about tradition, I just think its stupid how government tells you not to eat something because of how it may or may not have been harvested. Shark fin soup is actually really good I tried it a couple years back and have had it maybe 3-4 times total Edit: On October 26 2011 23:08 Dfgj wrote:On October 26 2011 23:04 ilovelings wrote:
Hi, I am come to tell you what is better for you.
That's the point of governance. If something, even 'cultural', is deemed negative, they can make those decisions. Not everything should be a protected right if it has significant negative externalities. Yeah, you cant eat this because we love animals so much, but go ahead and kill your self by smoking for 10 bucks a pack, were fine with that Exactly, killing YOURSELF. If you want to relate this to Humans, it's like cutting off a man's leg and throwing him onto the street to bleed out and die. That is in no way the same thing, unless you ate the persons leg i guess. Animals are not humans, do you eat meat at all?
Its not about people eating the fin, its about the cruel way it is harvested. I mean, if they took the shark as a whole, used every part of it, put the entire shark to good use, I would not oppose that. But this is purely animal cruelty. If you had your legs cut off and were thrown back out on to the street, you would die knowing you can do nothing about it, and everything except your legs will go to complete waste.
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I think vegetarians and animal activists at large are hypocrites who claim to be something they're not.
We need to eat to live. Nearly everything we eat was once alive regardless of where it came from. The end.
People stuck in this state of self denial tend to devalue human life. Like how some idiot tried comparing a human infants to sharks. I've known liberal animal activists to get crazy over animal abuse while abusing their kids?
You have to draw the line somewhere and realize there's more important things going on in your life than are we eating the whole shark, or not.
Personally, I've never eaten shark anything, I rarely eat seafood, so this doesn't even come close to concerning me, thx for wasting my time.
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On October 26 2011 23:36 chipman wrote:
I think vegetarians and animal activists at large are hypocrites who claim to be something they're not.
We need to eat to live. Nearly everything we eat was once alive regardless of where it came from. The end.
People stuck in this state of self denial tend to devalue human life. Like how some idiot tried comparing a human infants to sharks. I've known liberal animal activists to get crazy over animal abuse while abusing their kids?
You have to draw the line somewhere and realize there's more important things going on in your life than are we eating the whole shark, or not.
Personally, I've never eaten shark anything, I rarely eat seafood, so this doesn't even come close to concerning me, thx for wasting my time.
If this is such a waste of time, why bother posting?
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On October 26 2011 23:36 chipman wrote:
Personally, I've never eaten shark anything, I rarely eat seafood, so this doesn't even come close to concerning me, thx for wasting my time.
You don't HAVE to read the topic you know. If it doesn't interest you just don't click on it.
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On October 26 2011 23:36 chipman wrote:
I think vegetarians and animal activists at large are hypocrites who claim to be something they're not.
We need to eat to live. Nearly everything we eat was once alive regardless of where it came from. The end.
People stuck in this state of self denial tend to devalue human life. Like how some idiot tried comparing a human infants to sharks. I've known liberal animal activists to get crazy over animal abuse while abusing their kids?
You have to draw the line somewhere and realize there's more important things going on in your life than are we eating the whole shark, or not.
Personally, I've never eaten shark anything, I rarely eat seafood, so this doesn't even come close to concerning me, thx for wasting my time.
we dont need to eat meat however. humans are perfectly capable of surviving on vegetarian and vegan diets. even carl lewis was a vegan lol
iirc, the human physiology lends more to herbivorous eating than carnivorous
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On October 26 2011 23:35 57 Corvette wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2011 23:31 Warlike Prince wrote:On October 26 2011 23:25 SupLilSon wrote:On October 26 2011 23:09 Warlike Prince wrote:I dont really care about tradition, I just think its stupid how government tells you not to eat something because of how it may or may not have been harvested. Shark fin soup is actually really good I tried it a couple years back and have had it maybe 3-4 times total Edit: On October 26 2011 23:08 Dfgj wrote:On October 26 2011 23:04 ilovelings wrote:
Hi, I am come to tell you what is better for you.
That's the point of governance. If something, even 'cultural', is deemed negative, they can make those decisions. Not everything should be a protected right if it has significant negative externalities. Yeah, you cant eat this because we love animals so much, but go ahead and kill your self by smoking for 10 bucks a pack, were fine with that Exactly, killing YOURSELF. If you want to relate this to Humans, it's like cutting off a man's leg and throwing him onto the street to bleed out and die. That is in no way the same thing, unless you ate the persons leg i guess. Animals are not humans, do you eat meat at all? Its not about people eating the fin, its about the cruel way it is harvested. I mean, if they took the shark as a whole, used every part of it, put the entire shark to good use, I would not oppose that. But this is purely animal cruelty. If you had your legs cut off and were thrown back out on to the street, you would die knowing you can do nothing about it, and everything except your legs will go to complete waste.
I dont think the shark thinks " dam he only took my fin, now I'm goign to die and most of me will go to waste." he thinks " crap I'm gunna die " as soon as he gets caught either way.
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i dont see why they havent already made shark farms
would be the most logical idea
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i'm all for the banning of it, that's cruel as hell throwing a finless shark back into the ocean.
yes i'm a meat eater also.
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On October 26 2011 23:34 FairForever wrote:
I'm Chinese, and I love Sharks Fin Soup.
I think the ban is ridiculous at a municipal level. It's obviously a bad practice right now, I think it needs a temporary ban and strict regulation upon return.
The problem is that will be difficult to implement. One municipality's rush to "ban" sharks fin soup does very little in terms of saving sharks, but does disrupt efforts to implement a nationwide or worldwide solution.
So I like the idea of a restriction worldwide, but do not think it is within Toronto's mandate (legally or morally) to ban restaurants in Toronto from serving them. I think a legal challenge in this case would be quite likely to succeed.
I feel like the ban is educating people regarding the potential extinction of sharks because of a favored Chinese dish. Can't hurt the process of providing our grandchildren with shark week. And not a history channel special :O
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I don't understand the complaint that it is an attack on Chines culture, when I studied in China I distinctly remember pretty-much all of the Chinese students being of the opinion that it was immoral and distasteful to eat Shark Fin soup, but maybe that was just because they were more liberal then most.
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On October 26 2011 23:40 Warlike Prince wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2011 23:35 57 Corvette wrote:On October 26 2011 23:31 Warlike Prince wrote:On October 26 2011 23:25 SupLilSon wrote:On October 26 2011 23:09 Warlike Prince wrote:I dont really care about tradition, I just think its stupid how government tells you not to eat something because of how it may or may not have been harvested. Shark fin soup is actually really good I tried it a couple years back and have had it maybe 3-4 times total Edit: On October 26 2011 23:08 Dfgj wrote:On October 26 2011 23:04 ilovelings wrote:
Hi, I am come to tell you what is better for you.
That's the point of governance. If something, even 'cultural', is deemed negative, they can make those decisions. Not everything should be a protected right if it has significant negative externalities. Yeah, you cant eat this because we love animals so much, but go ahead and kill your self by smoking for 10 bucks a pack, were fine with that Exactly, killing YOURSELF. If you want to relate this to Humans, it's like cutting off a man's leg and throwing him onto the street to bleed out and die. That is in no way the same thing, unless you ate the persons leg i guess. Animals are not humans, do you eat meat at all? Its not about people eating the fin, its about the cruel way it is harvested. I mean, if they took the shark as a whole, used every part of it, put the entire shark to good use, I would not oppose that. But this is purely animal cruelty. If you had your legs cut off and were thrown back out on to the street, you would die knowing you can do nothing about it, and everything except your legs will go to complete waste. I dont think the shark thinks " dam he only took my fin, now I'm goign to die and most of me will go to waste." he thinks " crap I'm gunna die " as soon as he gets caught either way.
excuse me? that's really your argument for this? "well the shark doesn't know either way"
lolwut? so you're saying that it's ok for me to take candy from a baby since they'll just forget about it? right?
it's called being a cruel fuck, that's what it's called.
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i'm in favour of the ban. i hope it spreads to my region. the effect on chinese cuisine is unfortunate, though.
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i think its a good thing they baned it , if it would be possible to breed sharks on like farms it would be an alternative (like cows or chicken).
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On October 26 2011 23:33 pyrogenetix wrote:
As a Chinese person having eaten bird's nest, sea cucumber, abalone and shark's fin, I really have to say they are overhyped and overpriced pure luxury items.
The thing is the flavour of all these dishes come from a thick stock (usually chicken) and is cooked in it for hours and thus gains the flavour of the stock.
Most Chinese people are aware of this yet still like to indulge in the "luxury" of it. Recently this phenomenon has been criticized by the general public, raising questions such as "what does this say about us Chinese people as a collective group?".
I think this is a good move. I'm sure there is a lot of opposition though, especially the restaurants making a huge profit selling fish cartilage to rich assholes.
As said in another post, the shark fin soup is like putting gold in ice cream, it add nothing to the taste, it's done to show that you have money and that you can waste : that's why it is especially eaten for mariage, where you show your power to all the other familly.
I m not asian but have worked in a chinese restaurant with rich client and a lot of mariage when i was a student. The chinese just love to waste (not saying it is only a chinese thing, you ser that in almost all cultures like with the potlatch in the Kwakiutl tribe studied by many anthropologist.
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On October 26 2011 23:36 chipman wrote:
I think vegetarians and animal activists at large are hypocrites who claim to be something they're not.
We need to eat to live. Nearly everything we eat was once alive regardless of where it came from. The end.
People stuck in this state of self denial tend to devalue human life. Like how some idiot tried comparing a human infants to sharks. I've known liberal animal activists to get crazy over animal abuse while abusing their kids?
You have to draw the line somewhere and realize there's more important things going on in your life than are we eating the whole shark, or not.
Personally, I've never eaten shark anything, I rarely eat seafood, so this doesn't even come close to concerning me, thx for wasting my time.
I have been a vegetarian my whole life, and I just wanted to check in with you about that state of self denial I am in.
You can bet your ass, when I eat carrots I throw that god damn green leafy part in the mufuckin trash can yo. Don't even think twice.
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If you're going to eat the entire animal, and you put it down with respect, I have no problem with people eating shark fins until they explode. But catching them, cutting off the fins and releasing the sharks back into the water is animal cruelty at its finest.
You don't see hunters catching deers, cutting off their hooves or whatever and then letting them lie in the forest to die slow and painfully.
Besides, sharks are becoming endangered, so I think this is very good news.
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Keep a dish and fuck the species, or fuck the dish and keep the species.
The fact that people even argue over this makes me even more misanthropic.
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From my limited knowledge on the subject, I remember reading that sharks in general are rapidly headed for extinction so this is of course a great move.
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