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On October 19 2011 03:20 MERLIN. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 03:16 Trizz wrote:
They don't necessarily need to help physically, but they could've atleast called an ambulance on their way to work. I wonder if they did, their body language tells me different.
It's quite disturbing, I don't think something like that would happen with people ignoring it in my country. Maybe they didnt? Do you know where they went after seeing it? Did you know they might have called an ambulance? Maybe they dont own a cell phone? Perhaps, in that 3 minute clip, they called and it came later? I didnt know ambulances spring from phones and arrive instantly. Sure they should have helped, but you dont know they didnt call...
That's why I said, I WONDER if they did.
And their bodylanguage gets me leaning towards that they didn't.
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On October 19 2011 03:27 MozzarellaL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 03:24 MERLIN. wrote:
I like how you removed that from the quote tho, finally saw through the bolded letters, and yes I did live in Quebec and I have yet to ever hear of a case in Canada where a person helping someone else was sued, and atleast here we are civil when it comes to every human deserves the right to get help...
So the laws of Quebec somehow apply to the entirety of Canada which follows a divergently different set of laws? Get off your high horse. The rest of Canada has no such general obligation, just like the US.
Keep just selecting what parts of my posts you want to quote, try to quote it all.
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On October 19 2011 03:17 MozzarellaL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 03:11 MERLIN. wrote:
So please, try again for the third time to derail this thread with your mild attempts to "insult" canada and imply that everythings the same as the states.
Lucky the economys not; )
Anyway, back to my ORIGINAL QUESTION so do you guys dont have to stop and help? Sigh. you don't get it, do you? Both the US and Canada are common law jurisdictions. The "no obligation to help or rescue" is a common law rule originating from England over 300 years ago. Wikipedia doesn't even agree with you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_rescue"In Quebec, which makes use of civil law, there is a general duty to rescue in its Charter of Rights...the other provinces follow common law"...and the common law states there is no general duty to come to rescue of another. For an extreme statement of the common law: "Defendant had no obligation to help a trespassing boy who placed his hand on a machine and was injured...in fact, boy was liable to defendant for any resulting damages to the machine" I don't have an interest to investigate your statutes and case law, so I'll give wikipedia the benefit of doubt since if you are in Quebec then your 'statement' of the law in Canada is suspect. No, we don't have to stop and help. We are a common law country. So is Canada. Why you mad?
That is actually quite shocking. I just began law school this summer, so I had no idea about the common vs civil law things. I always thought the duty to rescue principle applied in the US, but apparently not :p
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On October 19 2011 03:29 MERLIN. wrote:
Keep just selecting what parts of my posts you want to quote, try to quote it all.
I only quote the relevant portions of your post. If I leave something out you can assume I have no response to it because I accept or concede what you wrote.
On October 19 2011 03:30 iLikeRain wrote:That is actually quite shocking. I just began law school this summer, so I had no idea about the common vs civil law things. I always thought the duty to rescue principle applied in the US, but apparently not
blame your distant cousins across the channel :p
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life just isnt as valuable in china
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Saw this yesterday, it's so terrible!!!! =[
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On October 19 2011 03:37 StatikKhaos wrote:
life just isnt as valuable in china
only in relative terms. Before posting, you have to think abou the consequences that may or may not occur if you to help the girl, it might end up leading your family to ruin. There are ways to help that the passerbys didn't think of, and they aren't doing the right thing but, It would be difficult for someone to help another with that person first denouncing legal liabilities, which the toddler, could not
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On October 19 2011 03:37 StatikKhaos wrote:
life just isnt as valuable in china
ever been to china? Im sure they don't think that, pretty ignorant point of view... Imagine if I said that against Americans, the outrage there would be... But then again, life really isn't that valuable in USA is it?
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On October 19 2011 03:44 MERLIN. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 03:37 StatikKhaos wrote:
life just isnt as valuable in china ever been to china? Im sure they don't think that, pretty ignorant point of view... Imagine if I said that against Americans, the outrage there would be... But then again, life really isn't that valuable in USA is it?
Life is cheap. life insurance values your life @ the rate you can pay their premium, courts value your life @ your expected income, companies value your life @ the rate of liability they have to pay on the off-chance their products result in death.
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On October 19 2011 03:52 MozzarellaL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 03:44 MERLIN. wrote:On October 19 2011 03:37 StatikKhaos wrote:
life just isnt as valuable in china ever been to china? Im sure they don't think that, pretty ignorant point of view... Imagine if I said that against Americans, the outrage there would be... But then again, life really isn't that valuable in USA is it? Life is cheap. life insurance values your life @ the rate you can pay their premium, courts value your life @ your expected income, companies value your life @ the rate of liability they have to pay on the off-chance their products result in death.
Isn't that how it is everywhere?
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If a citizen has to think of how to "correctly" help an injured child before his eyes, then the country's society has clearly failed.
I can kind of understand an injured grown man, who you never know if he is armed or what, but a toddler dying in the streets? Complete fail. You can write whatever you want in "support" of not helping but it is still sickening to all truly civilised nations, and that doesnt necessarily mean wealthy nations.
Failure.
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On October 19 2011 04:01 Psychobabas wrote:
If a citizen has to think of how to "correctly" help an injured child before his eyes, then the country's society has clearly failed.
I can kind of understand an injured grown man, who you never know if he is armed or what, but a toddler dying in the streets? Complete fail. You can write whatever you want in "support" of not helping but it is still sickening to all truly civilised nations, and that doesnt necessarily mean wealthy nations.
Failure.
You seem to speak highly of your so called civilized nation, European. even at the same time spelling civilized wrong, but regardless, I've provided evidence, support, laws, and intelligent reasoning. What have you contributed? Between my rational reasoning and your emotional rage who is more civilized?
User was warned for this post
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I am at a loss for words. Just goes to show how differently the world works in certain places.
I have a hard time comprehending how you as a human being can let a toddler lie dying without acting... No matter how your society works.
Disturbing stuff to say the least.
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That was really horrible and sad. But I think its pretty common in this age that people are more fearful , less interactive in their communities, less observant , and just more callous of things in general. I think this kind of behavior happens in large cities. Though I have never seen anything like this first hand , I know for me whenever I see an accident or other event from my car I have to fight the urge to get out and instead watch and think the police and /or first responders will be much more able to help. Hovering at the fringe of my mind are worries that somehow I will be sucked into trial or worse even be blamed. Many scams today operate off feigning injury and when you go to help , the joke is on you.
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Of course it WOULD be in Guandong, the most disgusting place in China. Don't even get me started. I'm not surprised by this at all, as painful as it is to say that. They have no regard for how they treat their animals so why would they treat humans any differently? Disgusting. Call me biased, call me racist even - whatever you want. This event only serves to strengthen my negative views of China. I may dislike people in general, but no matter who or where you are, leaving a child injured on the road like that is unforgivable in my eyes. I despise those who bring harm to - or fail to protect - the innocent. It's how I was raised; those are my morals and I will stand by them.
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On October 19 2011 04:11 OmiDeLta wrote:
Of course it WOULD be in Guandong, the most disgusting place in China. Don't even get me started. I'm not surprised by this at all, as painful as it is to say that. They have no regard for how they treat their animals so why would they treat humans any differently? Disgusting.
lol so true GD is a shit hole
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On October 19 2011 04:04 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 04:01 Psychobabas wrote:
If a citizen has to think of how to "correctly" help an injured child before his eyes, then the country's society has clearly failed.
I can kind of understand an injured grown man, who you never know if he is armed or what, but a toddler dying in the streets? Complete fail. You can write whatever you want in "support" of not helping but it is still sickening to all truly civilised nations, and that doesnt necessarily mean wealthy nations.
Failure.
You seem to speak highly of your so called civilized nation, European. even at the same time spelling civilized wrong, but regardless, I've provided evidence, support, laws, and intelligent reasoning. What have you contributed? Between my rational reasoning and your emotional rage who is more civilized?
Fail answer.
Pathetic.
Over and out (and thank god for http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255507)
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On October 19 2011 03:59 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 03:52 MozzarellaL wrote:On October 19 2011 03:44 MERLIN. wrote:On October 19 2011 03:37 StatikKhaos wrote:
life just isnt as valuable in china ever been to china? Im sure they don't think that, pretty ignorant point of view... Imagine if I said that against Americans, the outrage there would be... But then again, life really isn't that valuable in USA is it? Life is cheap. life insurance values your life @ the rate you can pay their premium, courts value your life @ your expected income, companies value your life @ the rate of liability they have to pay on the off-chance their products result in death. Isn't that how it is everywhere?
That was my point 
On October 19 2011 04:04 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 04:01 Psychobabas wrote:
If a citizen has to think of how to "correctly" help an injured child before his eyes, then the country's society has clearly failed.
I can kind of understand an injured grown man, who you never know if he is armed or what, but a toddler dying in the streets? Complete fail. You can write whatever you want in "support" of not helping but it is still sickening to all truly civilised nations, and that doesnt necessarily mean wealthy nations.
Failure.
You seem to speak highly of your so called civilized nation, European. even at the same time spelling civilized wrong, but regardless, I've provided evidence, support, laws, and intelligent reasoning. What have you contributed? Between my rational reasoning and your emotional rage who is more civilized?
He didn't spell civilized wrong.
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On October 19 2011 04:13 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 04:11 OmiDeLta wrote:
Of course it WOULD be in Guandong, the most disgusting place in China. Don't even get me started. I'm not surprised by this at all, as painful as it is to say that. They have no regard for how they treat their animals so why would they treat humans any differently? Disgusting. lol so true GD is a shit hole
You do agree...? I'm surprised given your previous comments, unless of course this is sarcasm in which case I just look stupid right now...
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On October 19 2011 04:20 OmiDeLta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 04:13 Blasterion wrote:On October 19 2011 04:11 OmiDeLta wrote:
Of course it WOULD be in Guandong, the most disgusting place in China. Don't even get me started. I'm not surprised by this at all, as painful as it is to say that. They have no regard for how they treat their animals so why would they treat humans any differently? Disgusting. lol so true GD is a shit hole You do agree...? I'm surprised given your previous comments, unless of course this is sarcasm in which case I just look stupid right now...
Of course I do, some places are good, some are bad, and Guang Zhou is one of those places, people keep on saying that I am defending the other side when I just am offering a different perspective
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