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Actually the Russians (Soviets back then) held the line virtually alone against the Wermacht/ Nazi push before D-Day (US/GBR 2nd front) ). However you could be correct if you are speaking about Western Europe in that USA saved most of Western Europe from becoming part of the Communist block.
well there were the north african and italian fronts
and it was americans and british not russians bombing germany for most of the war
also the us sent to russia about 50,000 trucks, tens of thousands of planes and tanks and artillery guns and mortars, millions of rifles and hundreds of millions of rounds of ammunition, tons and tons of food and medical supplies and raw materials, and we also sent hundreds of technical experts to help the russians rebuild their factories east of the urals (and teach them how to build better designed factories period).
we didnt exactly leave the russians hanging high and dry to trade body blows with hitler before we decided to step our dainty little toes into the water
to sojuterran:
using your "logic" then russians are the most likely to rape and worst rapists ever since they raped about 2-3 million german women during the end and aftermath of world war 2. which is silly russians are no more or less likely to rape than anyone else.
reason for tens of thousands of soldiers in south korea is to ensure that if the north attacks the US has to defend the South
if we only had a few thousand or hundred soldiers there and the north invaded, well these days we might not go 100% to help south korea. having a lot of american boys there ensures that we won't just leave them - and by extension south korea - on their own.
reason for the bases in germany is that they are a major logistical and medical center that is a big component in the american ability to project force globally. we probably dont need quite that many regular infantry stationed there though.
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On October 10 2011 20:20 BottleAbuser wrote:
@BluePanther it's a big deal because they're untouchable. The worst that will happen to them, if they are indeed found guilty, is that they'll spend a few (<6) months in army jail (which are much nicer than real jails), then they'll continue working as before... quite possibly still posted in South Korea.
You have no clue what you're talking about. Please do not post completely baseless trash. All members of the military serving in korea can be punished under ucmj and korean law. The sofa (status of armed forces agreement) between korea and the us says that the korean police have to contact the army and turn you over to them asap but these guys will still be tried in korean courts... likely spend years in korean prison. And when they finally get out of jail they will be dishonerably discharged, court martialed. And sent to fort levenworth which is a notorioisly nasty military prison where they will likely be the ones on the receiving end so to speak.
Source: I'm in the army I served a tour in korea last year.
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This is so horrible!
I can't believe U.S. service members were also charged with rape in 1995!?
I certainly hope justice is served for these unforgivable acts.
How could you ruin a young girls life...T.T
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On October 11 2011 08:27 DeadCell wrote:
This is so horrible!
I can't believe U.S. service members were also charged with rape in 1995!?
I certainly hope justice is served for these unforgivable acts.
How could you ruin a young girls life...T.T
Perhaps you should look at it rationally. The US has had 30,000 troops stationed there for a long time. The average rate of rape in the US is about 28 per 100,000 people, as mentioned earlier in this thread. So if you had 30,000 random US citizens you could expect 28 *3/10 = 8.4 rapes per year among that group. The fact that we've gone 16 years between rapes, one of the most recent events shows that the soldiers in Korea are relatively well behaved.
If you have any group of significant size it's going to happen. You really can't hold the entire military accountable for a few bad apples.
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I love America and I love its soldiers, but events like these make me feel ashamed and disappointed, especially since I'm half-Korean. I hope these men will come to justice.
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Itaewon and Songtan are rubbish piss. Any foreigner that ever goes to Korea will figure this out and either fit right in with the idiocy or swear to never go there. The Army does such a bs job of making Americans proud there. What a cesspool of idiots.
I'm American and avoid Itaewon like the plague for reasons like this. Rape is imminent, and I don't want to be generalized into it. It's getting really bad at night for native Koreans. The Americans/Canadians there are seriously getting out of hand. Even Hongdae is on the down-swing.
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disgusting death sentence, not only are they soldiers who should be upholding some code of honour and decency since they are the ones with the guns, but they are soldiers representing your country america in another country and they should have also thought of that beforehand.....truly simple people
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This pisses me off... Giving other countries more excuses to hate us. I wished they made it more than 10 years... Make it life in prison please.
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10 years is sufficient to show the Koreans they take it seriously. I think justice and sanity has prevailed here. Hopefully both nations can accept that this was an unfortunate act of an individual which has been dealt with and move on from it.
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On November 03 2011 03:48 KwarK wrote:
10 years is sufficient to show the Koreans they take it seriously. I think justice and sanity has prevailed here. Hopefully both nations can accept that this was an unfortunate act of an individual which has been dealt with and move on from it.
From the article it sounds like that was a Korean Court. The Military could press additional charges against him under the UCMJ...
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On November 03 2011 03:39 tGFuRy wrote:
This pisses me off... Giving other countries more excuses to hate us. I wished they made it more than 10 years... Make it life in prison please. Seriously, life in prison? I can understand wanting a harsher punishment but proclaiming life in prison for a first time offender is absurd, get a grip. It changes nothing in the big picture, the US will be there for political reasons being our close ties between our two militarys, and the Korean people still don't like Americans in Korea, they will hate us until we leave putting a guy in prison for life wont make them suddenly like us or make everything okay again, its far more complicated then that.
On November 03 2011 04:28 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 03:48 KwarK wrote:
10 years is sufficient to show the Koreans they take it seriously. I think justice and sanity has prevailed here. Hopefully both nations can accept that this was an unfortunate act of an individual which has been dealt with and move on from it. From the article it sounds like that was a Korean Court. The Military could press additional charges against him under the UCMJ...
This is very true, if it was a korean court he could, and likely will punished under UCMJ once released by the Koreans, double dipping is not uncommon in cases like this.
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I'm a member of the United States Air Force, and I personally think that the US should get out of every foreign country in the world, except maybe one or two key spots. We spend way too much money policing the world, and all it does is cause more trouble than it's worth. This is a prime example of that.
Also, anyone who thinks NK poses a threat to SK in any capacity is uninformed. NK may spend an inordinate amount of their budget on their military, but SK is still stronger in every way. NK poses no threat to anyone.
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On October 11 2011 09:17 Quesadilla wrote:
Itaewon and Songtan are rubbish piss. Any foreigner that ever goes to Korea will figure this out and either fit right in with the idiocy or swear to never go there. The Army does such a bs job of making Americans proud there. What a cesspool of idiots.
I'm American and avoid Itaewon like the plague for reasons like this. Rape is imminent, and I don't want to be generalized into it. It's getting really bad at night for native Koreans. The Americans/Canadians there are seriously getting out of hand. Even Hongdae is on the down-swing.
When I was stationed in Korea in 2002-2003, it was the same. The Americanized parts of the country are shit. It's a god damn shame.
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Am I the only one that was disturbed by 'In 2002, the acquittals of two American soldiers whose armored vehicle ran over and killed two South Korean schoolgirls during training prompted nationwide protests against the U.S. military presence in the country.'
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Mmm.
I live in an apartment with a lot of US soldiers, and the general reaction I get from people when I tell them that is "Holy fuck be careful" and even a few "Don't get into an elevator with one of them at night." I don't think there's ever not been an anti-armed force sentiment in Korea...
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On November 03 2011 05:06 ryanAnger wrote:
I'm a member of the United States Air Force, and I personally think that the US should get out of every foreign country in the world, except maybe one or two key spots. We spend way too much money policing the world, and all it does is cause more trouble than it's worth. This is a prime example of that.
Also, anyone who thinks NK poses a threat to SK in any capacity is uninformed. NK may spend an inordinate amount of their budget on their military, but SK is still stronger in every way. NK poses no threat to anyone.
Yes the South Korean military is stronger, but not in every way. The fact that Seoul is so close to the border means that preemptive artillery barrages would be devastating to the city. Also numbers plays a huge role in a war even if their soldiers are way less equipped and trained. The only downside i see to their numbers is the food it would take to feed an army of that size.
An army marches on its stomach.
Also not every single person would be ready for a draft at the exact moment an attack would happen. Who knows how much ground North Korea would gain before the military was actually ready.
North Korea isn't going to say let's have a war in 2 weeks and let SK get ready they will attack when ever without warning.
This is all irrelevant though because as long as the US is in SK it gives the US a valid reason to defend them and NK knows they would get rofl stomped even if we are already involved in 2 conflicts already.
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On October 09 2011 23:08 weekendracer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 05:58 Fus wrote:
So, this is US military. US should just shut down 7/8 of their military and do something useful with the money, like making free healthcare for everyone. Why does America think they have to control the world? Why does the US stick it's nose everywhere? Because the rest of the world wants us there and we've taken over the role of protector of everyone else. I don't agree with it, but it IS the current situation until it can be altered. Our military is the same as our population, a lot of really good people with a few truly rotten apples mixed into group. I've been 'accused' of some bad things in 11 years of law enforcement. None of them were true and I was exonerated in the end. Let the courts figure it out, if they are guilty, bury them. If the girls are shown to be lying, charge them with false accusation/libel/slander and punish them accordingly.
I call bullshit, this is just another form of propaganda that people want you to think. And even if it is the case, tough fucking shit. It's not our job to be the protector of everyone else in the world. If they can't stand on their own, then they aren't strong enough and should be allowed to go under.
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Glad its at least 10 years. So good to hear.
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rape is the only crime a believe should carry death penalty there is no way that you thought you were right when you forced sexual activities upon someone. both of these sick individuals if it can be proved that each instance was forced sex should be killed publicaly preferably crucified and tortured before. rape is the most heinous of crimes worse then killing for profit
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