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LaLLsc2
Profile Joined September 2010
United States502 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-09 08:09:29
October 09 2011 08:09 GMT
#381
Why are you guys theory crafting SK vs NK? Completely off topic from this thread..
Live and Let Live
rhmiller907
Profile Joined August 2011
United States118 Posts
October 09 2011 08:13 GMT
#382
On October 09 2011 17:09 LaLLsc2 wrote:
Why are you guys theory crafting SK vs NK? Completely off topic from this thread..

IDK we went off on a tangent sorry guys. On topic now. I doubt rape would decrease if there were brothels in SK. Rape is most commonly about power not sex. If it was about sex they just get on the internet and find some easy. I mean if there were brothels there would be more than these two bastards there. I think the number of people committing rapes shows that this is about them being sick bastards not that they just wanted sex.
The very existence of flame-throwers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done.
Oktyabr
Profile Joined July 2011
Singapore2234 Posts
October 09 2011 08:14 GMT
#383
On October 09 2011 17:09 LaLLsc2 wrote:
Why are you guys theory crafting SK vs NK? Completely off topic from this thread..


Because a couple of people here decided to point out that American military presence is *necessary*. Agreed, it is off topic.
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
October 09 2011 08:21 GMT
#384
Too many issues with problem soldiers/GIs in Korea and other regions. There really needs to be a mandatory curfew, and perhaps even a ban on certain areas. I know a lot of places in the "party" areas actually ban GIs from entering their establishments because of issues that arise.
Mioraka
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada1353 Posts
October 09 2011 08:24 GMT
#385
Come on guys, American soldiers raping teenage girls in foreign countries.

Are you guys seriously surprised at this?

They have done it in Japan, in Iraq, in Korea, if they get their hands on Iran, they will continue the tradition there.

Rape IS about power, and there's not doubt Americans, especially American soldiers will feel more powerful than they actually are when carrying guns in other countries' territory.
InRaged
Profile Joined February 2007
1047 Posts
October 09 2011 08:24 GMT
#386
On October 09 2011 16:53 Redlol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 16:50 InRaged wrote:
On October 09 2011 16:39 rhmiller907 wrote:
On October 09 2011 16:34 thoradycus wrote:
On October 09 2011 16:30 rhmiller907 wrote:
On October 09 2011 16:20 NekoFlandre wrote:
Sad....so sad.

It would be...lovely if our troops just came home and stayed here.....
To bad we must stick our nose in everyones buisness.

Well maybe you should ask the South Koreans if they would prefer to live as the northern Koreans do. I doubt they would.

So if US troops leave, SK people will live as NKs? your point?

No my implication was that North Korea would likely invade South Korea if the US did not have a substantial Military force there. And while South Korea has a powerful Military I'm not sure if they could fight off North Korea, especially if the Chinese backed them as they did in Korean war.

Yeah. 28,500 american soldiers is the substantial force that prevents invasion. What would half-million South Korean army do without them?

Those 28,500 would quickly become a half million if NK messed with SK, that seems like common sense that it's not the specific number that's a deterrent.

Or if SK decides to mess with US. Or if US decides to mess with NK.
You see, common sense says (and you just confirmed it) that there's no NK threat to SK. Surely than, US holds it's bases for completely different purposes. And that makes NekoFlandre's remark, that started this quote chain, spot on.
rhmiller907
Profile Joined August 2011
United States118 Posts
October 09 2011 08:26 GMT
#387
On October 09 2011 17:21 bokchoi wrote:
Too many issues with problem soldiers/GIs in Korea and other regions. There really needs to be a mandatory curfew, and perhaps even a ban on certain areas. I know a lot of places in the "party" areas actually ban GIs from entering their establishments because of issues that arise.

Why hasn't South Korea done something about this already. It's your country is there some sort of law or agreement with the American government that prevents them from doing that. The banning and curfews. I hope that if there is nothing preventing that from happening that South Korea should do just that and curfew and ban them from certain areas.
The very existence of flame-throwers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done.
Flamingo777
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1190 Posts
October 09 2011 09:13 GMT
#388
On October 09 2011 12:28 Euronyme wrote:
What I don't understand is why the soldiers have to physically be there. It's not like modern technology doesn't allow you to travel there in a heartbeat anyway if a full out war would break out.

Simple deterrence. It's pretty obvious that N. Korea is a very volatile nation, and you can't really expect them to behave, I guess given recent events. Three acts that N. Korea has committed without being sanctioned or punished very heavily are their underground nuclear testing, an alleged attack on a S. Korean marine vessel, and the recent firing upon Yeonpyeong island nearly a year ago.

This being said, and relating this post now to the OP, from a strictly military perspective, there really isn't much room for a counterargument involving the comparison of a 'substantive' issue such as rape against potential invasion or attack.
IMSmooth
Profile Joined May 2011
United States679 Posts
October 09 2011 09:18 GMT
#389
On October 09 2011 17:24 Mioraka wrote:
Come on guys, American soldiers raping teenage girls in foreign countries.

Are you guys seriously surprised at this?

They have done it in Japan, in Iraq, in Korea, if they get their hands on Iran, they will continue the tradition there.

Rape IS about power, and there's not doubt Americans, especially American soldiers will feel more powerful than they actually are when carrying guns in other countries' territory.


It's disappointing to see people point out that this happened because they are American. There are fucked up human beings in every culture, they didn't do it because they are Americans, they did it because they are messed up fucks. Oh i forgot though, Canadians are all Saints and Nuns and havent done anything wrong in the history of the world.


"Get your shit done... THEN party" - NonY
AutomatonOmega
Profile Joined February 2011
United States706 Posts
October 09 2011 09:48 GMT
#390
Great job making Americans look even more like idiots than they were already, soldiers. I didn't even think it was possible.

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FraCuS
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1072 Posts
October 09 2011 10:29 GMT
#391
Simply not professional...
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Ziktomini
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom377 Posts
October 09 2011 10:47 GMT
#392
Can't expect any less of any military, it's an uncivilised practice, why would anybody expect them to act civilised?
Prime`Rib
Profile Joined September 2010
United States613 Posts
October 09 2011 10:53 GMT
#393
Korean hookers are so cheap. Only dumb asses go out and rape civilians.
... funerals are insane, the chicks are so horny, its not even fair, its like fishing with dynamite ...
Paperplane
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands1823 Posts
October 09 2011 10:57 GMT
#394
What the hell? I had no idea America has so many soldiers in korea and japan etc.
How can they justify stationing armed forces in those countries? WW II doesn't really count anymore.
Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
October 09 2011 11:30 GMT
#395
This is fucking disgusting.
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kakaman
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1576 Posts
October 09 2011 11:55 GMT
#396
This is truly a disgusting act, however it may only be newsworthy in Korea because it involves American military. See below a case of gang rape in Korea, where the punishment is lessened for some ridiculous reason. I do hope the US soldiers are punished, rape is one of the worst crimes you can commit.

Four men in their twenties who were sentenced to six years in prison after being convicted of sexually assaulting a 12-year old middle school student have been sentenced to probation by an appeals court. Prosecutors criticized the ruling, saying that “this court’s decision is incredibly tolerant of gang rape.”

On Wednesday the ninth criminal division of the Seoul High Court (Judge Choi Sang-yeol presiding) sentenced 20-year-old Mr. B and three other young men, all convicted of sexually assaulting 12-year-old middle school student A over a period of hours, to three years in prison and four years of probation. This is a lesser punishment than that imposed by the trial court, which sentenced them to six years in prison and ten years of offender registry.

The judge wrote in the opinion that “viewing the situation as a whole there is no evidence that the victim lacked the ability to resist… The trial court misunderstood the facts.” The opinion continued that “as Mr. B and the others acknowledged their crime, regret their error, have reached an agreement with the victim, and do not want to be punished, and as the defendants are young and this was their first crime, having no prior offenses rising to the level of a fine or higher, so we find this to be an appropriate sentence.”

In August of 2010 Mr. B and his friends received a call from one of their girlfriends (a student) saying that she was exhausted from drinking alcohol, then followed her to a motel and met A, who was with her.

They then went to another hotel, where they repeatedly sexually assaulted the intoxicated A over a period of three hours.

They were not subject to the law on sexual violence criminalizing rape of those 13 years of age or younger. The judge wrote that “Mr. B, unable to tell that A was only 12, committed his acts because he did not think she was 12.”

Prosecutors responded that “gang rape must subject to harsher legal penalty than ordinary sexual assault, so it is difficult to understand the appeals court’s sentence of probation.”

The trial court judge who issued the original, severe sentence said that “because they confessed that the victim was so intoxicated that she could not resist and knew that she was too intoxicated to do anything, I recognized that it was a forcible sexual assault.”

However, the appeals court judge said of the reason for overturning the trial court that “from their lustful attitude, it had been six hours since A had become intoxicated and arrived at the motel on the back seat of the motorcycle of her male assailant, so we sentence them to probation.” The court found that A had not been so intoxicated as to be unable to resist, and that she meekly accompanied Mr. B and the others to the hotel.
djmeat
Profile Joined September 2011
United States3 Posts
October 09 2011 12:00 GMT
#397
On October 09 2011 18:48 AutomatonOmega wrote:
Great job making Americans look even more like idiots than they were already, soldiers. I didn't even think it was possible.


Point well proven.

You are quite the moron.
Archie_Lewis
Profile Joined July 2011
Czech Republic87 Posts
October 09 2011 12:01 GMT
#398
Americans. What can you expect

User was warned for this post
"wow im so bad at this game..." - Chris Loranger
djmeat
Profile Joined September 2011
United States3 Posts
October 09 2011 12:06 GMT
#399
On October 09 2011 21:01 Archie_Lewis wrote:
Americans. What can you expect


Better than yourself. You make your fellow people look foolish.
tooDARKpark
Profile Joined June 2011
United States149 Posts
October 09 2011 12:11 GMT
#400
On October 09 2011 08:08 deadlywaffle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 08:07 Consolidate wrote:
On October 09 2011 08:02 SharkSpider wrote:
On October 09 2011 07:50 Consolidate wrote:
On October 09 2011 07:48 Hikko wrote:
On October 09 2011 07:42 Nizaris wrote:
On October 09 2011 07:01 K_Dilkington wrote:
I think it's very interesting that ALL of you automatically assume they're guilty.

Tends to happen when the perpetretor confess..


Where in the OP's article does it say that that they actually confessed? They were questioned, but they didn't confess


The top U.S. diplomat for East Asia, Kurt Campbell, apologized Friday for what he called a "tragic and inexcusable rape that took place about a week ago."

Why the fuck would a diplomat say this if there were even a shred of doubt?

Same reason people who read the news article say things without realizing that the trial hasn't happened. Trials by public opinion happen 100 times as fast as by court.


Tell my why a US diplomat WHO STILL HAS HIS JOB would implicitly admit guilt on behalf of the accused.


A diplomat's purpose is to mediate relations between the two countries. If they have to apologize in order to do so, so be it.


You guys missed a post. The soldier did confess, said he was drunk, and is on camera entering the girls room. This only accounts for one of the two cases, but I'd say that it's entirely certain that one of these cases is not just an allegation.
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