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CatNzHat
United States1599 Posts
On October 09 2011 05:23 jANii_ wrote: heard a rumor that south korea will react to this by taking a fast gold and do a +2 timing push User was temp banned for this post. Spelling mistake, you mean "doing a +2 timing push" instead of "do a +2 timing push" | ||
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Maenander
Germany4927 Posts
On October 09 2011 12:41 Milkis wrote: Okay I read the first four or so pages, and I think most of you guys don't know why. It's not *just* the fact that two GIs did something terrible. It's the fact that they're not going to get punished for it. Most of the anti american sentiment comes from the fact that GIs go around breaking rules like it's nothing and they get away with it because the Korean law enforcement can't do anything about it. In fact, from what I know, the two GIs who ran over two school girls with a vehicle weren't even punished they were just restationed (oh apparently, they ran them over twice, from what I remember from the incident). That is why there's anti american sentiments. The fact that these GIs will likely get away with it because Korean law enforcement wont be able to get them but America will likely cover it up. The american military justice system is not known for being lenient, I don't get how koreans think the GIs will get away with their crimes. There are lots of U.S. forces stationed in Germany and the press frequently reports about the findings of U.S. military courts when german citizens were affected. I dare to say the punishment more often than not exceeds the german equivalent. | ||
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thoradycus
Malaysia3262 Posts
On October 09 2011 16:30 rhmiller907 wrote: Well maybe you should ask the South Koreans if they would prefer to live as the northern Koreans do. I doubt they would. So if US troops leave, SK people will live as NKs? your point? | ||
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vahgar.r24
India465 Posts
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Merl
United States9 Posts
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K_Dilkington
Sweden449 Posts
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rhmiller907
United States118 Posts
On October 09 2011 16:34 thoradycus wrote: So if US troops leave, SK people will live as NKs? your point? No my implication was that North Korea would likely invade South Korea if the US did not have a substantial Military force there. And while South Korea has a powerful Military I'm not sure if they could fight off North Korea, especially if the Chinese backed them as they did in Korean war. | ||
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Oktyabr
Singapore2234 Posts
On October 09 2011 16:30 rhmiller907 wrote: Well maybe you should ask the South Koreans if they would prefer to live as the northern Koreans do. I doubt they would. Are you insinuating that the North Koreans stand a chance of invading South Korea should the Americans not be present? The standard of NK's military hardware isn't a secret - it sucks balls. Besides, China has a vested interest in not seeing NK doing something retarded. China abetting NK in an invasion is the last thing they want now. There's a reason why China is so willing to dole out so much monetary/food aid to NK just to keep them alive. There isn't much that NK can do besides seeking attention, which they always do periodically. | ||
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Flanlord
265 Posts
On October 09 2011 05:29 Grettin wrote: Funny how you were so "humane" in the suicide thread day or two ago, and now this. Sigh people make me sad sometimes. Humane really seems like a misnomer most of the time, doesn't it? It doesn't reflect our reality, only our aspirations. Even then, it is only a subjective set of aspirations that we consider 'humane' isn't it? Which is not to say that I condone anything these military personnel did in this case, or rape in general, quite the opposite in fact. I believe that the theft, or destruction of a person's dignity and body is one of the few seemingly nearly universally agreed upon unacceptable actions that occurs more often than we'd like to admit. It is also unfortunate that the actions of an insanely small minority (2(+?) people has the potential to get nearly 30,000 people stuck on bases, unable to enjoy such an awesome country. I do wonder who writes some of these articles though, it mentions a curfew being in place for 30 days, but fails to make any other mention or explanation of it throughout the article. (I'm also glad I wasn't the first math nerd to look at the statistics and question if I wanted to include the silver lining of 'at least our guys are substantially under the rape statistics of both countries.') On October 09 2011 05:41 Vocal wrote: Discuss this on a moral or philosophical basis, but there's really no point including politics in this. South Korea needs America. I don't mean offense here, but I'd rather have one or two rape cases a month than lose America's presence in the region. I know that might have sounded hella wrong, but let's admit it, North Korea would eat all the kimchi in Seoul within a week without America. I had to include this because it made me smirk a little bit, and I just had to ask - I'm not sure how much discussion there can really be about this on a moral/philosophical basis. The 'pro-rape' party is usually very quiet, isn't it? Or rather - you seem to have thus far been the only 'pro-rape' post that hasn't resulted in a ban. It is somewhat unfortunate to see TLers fighting one another on such a personal level about this. These two men do not represent our military as a whole. None of our US TLers represent our military as a whole (I think most have nothing to do with the military in fact.) I don't think any of us feel super strongly about having 'our people' stationed all over the globe. Treating us all as the same, or throwing us into the same boat is fairly ignorant. (Which is why I'm glad it seems to be a very small minority of people treating this situation as such.) | ||
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rhmiller907
United States118 Posts
On October 09 2011 16:40 Oktyabr wrote: Are you insinuating that the North Koreans stand a chance of invading South Korea should the Americans not be present? The standard of NK's military hardware isn't a secret - it sucks balls. Besides, China has a vested interest in not seeing NK doing something retarded. China abetting NK in an invasion is the last thing they want now. There's a reason why China is so willing to dole out so much monetary/food aid to NK just to keep them alive. There isn't much that NK can do besides seeking attention, which they always do periodically. touche good sir, well said. ; ) | ||
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
On October 09 2011 06:28 Petninja wrote: I think it's stupid to get angry over it. What good comes from getting angry over it? In general getting angry just makes things worse. The two guys will be tried, and if they're found guilty will get punished. Nothing to be upset over. In practice I understand that human emotional responses are not that easy to overcome, but it doesn't excuse how stupid it is to get angry over this. Rationality remains underrated in our day and age. On the other hand, feeling emotions is part of being human. There's nothing wrong with being emotional or angry about something. I'd even say it's the normal response. Not feeling anything when reading someone just got raped is you being desensitized. | ||
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SouthWales
Canada27 Posts
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thoradycus
Malaysia3262 Posts
On October 09 2011 16:39 rhmiller907 wrote: No my implication was that North Korea would likely invade South Korea if the US did not have a substantial Military force there. And while South Korea has a powerful Military I'm not sure if they could fight off North Korea, especially if the Chinese backed them as they did in Korean war. no china wont help north korea. Why would they? they are good trading partners/have good relations with SK. | ||
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thoradycus
Malaysia3262 Posts
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InRaged
1047 Posts
On October 09 2011 16:39 rhmiller907 wrote: No my implication was that North Korea would likely invade South Korea if the US did not have a substantial Military force there. And while South Korea has a powerful Military I'm not sure if they could fight off North Korea, especially if the Chinese backed them as they did in Korean war. Yeah. 28,500 american soldiers is the substantial force that prevents invasion. What would half-million South Korean army do without them? | ||
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Redlol
United States181 Posts
On October 09 2011 16:50 InRaged wrote: Yeah. 28,500 american soldiers is the substantial force that prevents invasion. What would half-million South Korean army do without them? Those 28,500 would quickly become a half million if NK messed with SK, that seems like common sense that it's not the specific number that's a deterrent. Beyond that, I agree with the common opinion over the last few pages, NK wouldn't actually invade if the U.S. left, they might make some more noise, and roar a little bit louder, but they almost certainly wouldn't invade. | ||
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sandg
Australia123 Posts
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exShikari
Australia237 Posts
On October 09 2011 16:37 Merl wrote: Not surprised. I'm doubtful that they'll be punished, especially since politicians and members of the military have said before that rape by soldiers is okay. Admittedly they meant in a war situation, but its still fed up. A source on this would be helpful. | ||
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10or10
Sweden517 Posts
On October 09 2011 16:58 sandg wrote: What's wrong with these guys? they don't have brothels or hookers in korea ? Anyone know if there are any correlation between rape and not having brothels in a country? | ||
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rhmiller907
United States118 Posts
On October 09 2011 16:50 InRaged wrote: Yeah. 28,500 american soldiers is the substantial force that prevents invasion. What would half-million South Korean army do without them? Well if North Korea invaded and they actually were winning that 28,000 would turn into hundreds of thousands if necessary. Also you can't say that having American Naval and Air support on your side wouldn't help. | ||
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