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Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
September 27 2011 15:43 GMT
#181
On September 28 2011 00:40 Euronyme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2011 00:34 Probe1 wrote:
Euronyme there have been a lot of prejudicial things said in this thread but I dare you to find one quote of someone suggesting extermination.


It was on the front page.

Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 21:26 aTnClouD wrote:
tbh the only way of dealing with the gypsies problem is becoming a terrorist and kill as many as you can. if you drive them out of your country they will inevitably plague another place and it's a culture that is not really fit for living along with any other.

User was temp banned for this post.


See how it says temp banned?
All I see are more and more riots happening from the responses in this thread and elsewhere on the internet. Enjoy another 1100 years of hating each other....
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
oikia
Profile Joined August 2010
Croatia17 Posts
September 27 2011 15:44 GMT
#182
When 99% of them lead a criminal lifestyle(dont pay taxes, dont pay bills, steal....) and refuse to change and are proud of their ways and don't be fooled they are proud of their lifestyle and they encourage their children to continue this parasite way of life by not sending them to school and make them beg and steal on the streets is very hard not to hate them and want them to leave your town or village because we pay for all their shit and they get away with almost anything because nobody not even the police wants to have anything to do with them.
PlaGuE_R
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
France1151 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 15:46:42
September 27 2011 15:44 GMT
#183
gypsies are a terrible problem in france. they come in with their goddamned caravans and camp on private property, they break into a town's power and water grid to get shit off OUR backs while not paying ANYTHING. THEN, they fucking come into our homes to rob us, sometimes killing and/or raping the occupants if they're unfortunate enough to be home at the time.

I have no clear understanding as to why exactly they are like that, because any fench person will tell you, yes blacks and arabs in france often cause trouble, but the majority of them are decent, law abiding citizen, however the majority of gypsies are A) thieves, B) drug dealers, C) beggars, D) street performers or all of the above. and the street performers can be annoying, but i dont mind them, the beggars are also not a big problem, but such a huge percentage of roms are either a or b that its a very real problem.

although, from ClouD's post i imagine Italy may have it worst. I know one thing though, my home was robbed(or attempted robbery) three times. all three times coincide with Roms moving in close by, not a coincidence. Last year they actually invaded the town's football pitch! it took ages to drive them out, until cops basically harassed them by writing them up for any and all tiny infractions in order to get them out.
TLO FIGHTING | me all in, he drone drone drone, me win - SK.MC | JINROLLED! | KraToss for the win
Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 15:49:56
September 27 2011 15:46 GMT
#184
wow i had no idea about the whole gypsy situation, but that's because i'm in australia

how is it that an entire ethnic group is so hated and fixed in their ways? doesn't seem to be any other ethnic group like this. while indigenous australians are much worse off than other groups in australia, it seems to be largely from a lack of opportunity and historically they were treated terribly. they do get a lot of special treatment now, but it doesn't seem like the right kind of treatment and like gypsies, there have been issues integrating them. but they don't hang together in groups and steal shit. i just don't get how an entire culture can be based around immoral stuff like that. how can people not be generalising here?

also, when people say "gypsy" does it refer to the romani ethnic group or just the subgroup roma?
n0ave
Profile Joined January 2011
180 Posts
September 27 2011 15:46 GMT
#185
On September 27 2011 23:25 vanhio wrote:
But when some of the gypsies refuse to work and are criminals, that isn't racism, that is being USELESS to society.



90% of them refuse to work and the only thing they do is stealing. People who wants only privilegs and no responsibilities are plague to society. Most of them are not paying their bills and still gets water and electricity. Free water and electricity sounds cool right ? Who do you think pays for all of this ? Who do you think pays child support to every 15 years old gipsy girl with 3 childrens ? People here are sick and tired of this SHIT !



Agree.
RajaF
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada530 Posts
September 27 2011 15:46 GMT
#186
On September 28 2011 00:43 Probe1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2011 00:40 Euronyme wrote:
On September 28 2011 00:34 Probe1 wrote:
Euronyme there have been a lot of prejudicial things said in this thread but I dare you to find one quote of someone suggesting extermination.


It was on the front page.

On September 27 2011 21:26 aTnClouD wrote:
tbh the only way of dealing with the gypsies problem is becoming a terrorist and kill as many as you can. if you drive them out of your country they will inevitably plague another place and it's a culture that is not really fit for living along with any other.

User was temp banned for this post.


See how it says temp banned?
All I see are more and more riots happening from the responses in this thread and elsewhere on the internet. Enjoy another 1100 years of hating each other....


Talking like a true citizen of the only country to be in a continual state of war with someone for the last 30 years.
n00b3rt
Profile Joined May 2010
Bulgaria890 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 15:50:29
September 27 2011 15:47 GMT
#187
On September 28 2011 00:39 Probe1 wrote:
n00b3rt it reads like all 10 of the kids are posting in this thread~
Post a fuckin solution instead of blanketing every single person of one group as murderous leeches.

read my post before being dumb. You have more than 6k posts, and you still haven't learnt to read those of others ? if it's too long for you, don't make comments about it while insulting me. And if you are so smart maybe you can give a solution ?
Yeah, whatever
vanhio
Profile Joined November 2010
Niue1017 Posts
September 27 2011 15:48 GMT
#188
On September 28 2011 00:42 RajaF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2011 00:40 drdreggor wrote:
On September 28 2011 00:26 vanhio wrote:
On September 28 2011 00:05 drdreggor wrote:
On September 27 2011 23:25 vanhio wrote:
But when some of the gypsies refuse to work and are criminals, that isn't racism, that is being USELESS to society.



90% of them refuse to work and the only thing they do is stealing. People who wants only privilegs and no responsibilities are plague to society. Most of them are not paying their bills and still gets water and electricity. Free water and electricity sounds cool right ? Who do you think pays for all of this ? Who do you think pays child support to every 15 years old gipsy girl with 3 childrens ? People here are sick and tired of this SHIT !


Aaaaaaand here we go again. What the FUCK do you know about how many gypsies that won't work? Where do you get your info? Probably from what you believe and have experienced, and various influences such as media and/or friends.

You are making assumptions based on NOTHIN except personal experience and that is not enough to justify expelling a large number of humans, as some of you here sometimes forget the gypsies are.


Well, all-knowing guy who lives in a different world let me tell you this. You don`t live here. You don`t where these gypsies live. You don`t see how many of them are going to school. You don`t KNOW how many of them are in JAIL. You don`t know SHIT to be fair. And not writing these posts to CONVINCE somebody that bulgarian gypsies are bad etc.. We know what they are. WE LIVE WITH THEM, UNLIKE YOU. Feel free to come here and see with your own eyes.

Edit: I don`t think i need EXACT numbers cuz i live here for 25 years and MAYBE i have an idea how things are...


I'm not making wild assumptions though about how 90% of them refuse to work, that's what I'm criticizing; you stating things as facts when you in fact really can't back it up. I'm not claiming to know how the situation actually is, like you are.

And you say you live with them blabla, and think that your opinion therefore can be applied to an entire population, well guess what, your opinion doesn't matter on a larger scale unless you can actively back it up.

Instead of condemning Gypsies, why aren't you condemning all people who murder, rape etc. You don't know any of these numbers, neither do I; but you are acting like you're the one sitting on the truths.


Actually it's not a "wild assumption" friend. The 2001 and 2006 romanian census found that 92% and 94% of the roma population was unemployed and not looking for work.


No point to argue with statistician. You don`t have the numbers, you are wrong. Well i guess living in Bulgaria my whole life, doesnt mean i have an idea about stuff in Bulgaria. No need to reply to this genius.
hgt1002
Profile Joined September 2011
Hungary30 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 15:51:15
September 27 2011 15:50 GMT
#189
On September 28 2011 00:46 Motivate wrote:


also, when people say "gypsy" does it refer to the romani ethnic group or just the subgroup roma?


well gypsy is called "cigany, cigani etc" in eastern europe, they make reference to themselves using this word aswell, however it have a pejorative tone. now commonly used towards the romani people who live the remarkable lifestyle mentioned in this thread. the PC and official term for them is now roma, but they dont call themselves to roma either. different countrys may consider other people to gypsys aswell, for example the english oftenly refers to irish travellers with the same word.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
September 27 2011 15:52 GMT
#190
On September 28 2011 00:47 n00b3rt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2011 00:39 Probe1 wrote:
n00b3rt it reads like all 10 of the kids are posting in this thread~
Post a fuckin solution instead of blanketing every single person of one group as murderous leeches.

read my post before being dumb. You have more than 6k posts, and you still haven't learnt to read those of others ? if it's too long for you, don't make comments about it while insulting me. And if you are so smart maybe you can give a solution ?

Wow you like, totally didn't read any page of the thread but your own. Of course I read your post. And I also posted the need for a moderate solution that I, not being a native Bulgarian, would not have the wherewithal to come up with.

.. nevermind that was in irc. This is raging in more than one forum.
How about, instead of me coming up with a solution- let's hear yours. Bonus points if it isn't fucking nuts.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
September 27 2011 15:53 GMT
#191
Can someone elaborate on what exactly a gypsy.. is? I don't get it. I'm having a hard time finding a definition which seems to fit what's being talked about in this thread.
PlaGuE_R
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
France1151 Posts
September 27 2011 15:54 GMT
#192
On September 28 2011 00:46 Motivate wrote:
wow i had no idea about the whole gypsy situation, but that's because i'm in australia

how is it that an entire ethnic group is so hated and fixed in their ways? doesn't seem to be any other ethnic group like this. while indigenous australians are much worse off than other groups in australia, it seems to be largely from a lack of opportunity and historically they were treated terribly. they do get a lot of special treatment now, but it doesn't seem like the right kind of treatment and like gypsies, there have been issues integrating them. but they don't hang together in groups and steal shit. i just don't get how an entire culture can be based around immoral stuff like that. how can people not be generalising here?

also, when people say "gypsy" does it refer to the romani ethnic group or just the subgroup roma?


having lived in australia, i can tell you that aborigens dont get nearly as bad a wrap as gypsies. the general feeling on them was ranging from indifference to mild disgust. come to France, EVERYONE here despise gyspies, there are NO exceptions.
TLO FIGHTING | me all in, he drone drone drone, me win - SK.MC | JINROLLED! | KraToss for the win
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
September 27 2011 15:55 GMT
#193
On September 28 2011 00:46 RajaF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2011 00:43 Probe1 wrote:
On September 28 2011 00:40 Euronyme wrote:
On September 28 2011 00:34 Probe1 wrote:
Euronyme there have been a lot of prejudicial things said in this thread but I dare you to find one quote of someone suggesting extermination.


It was on the front page.

On September 27 2011 21:26 aTnClouD wrote:
tbh the only way of dealing with the gypsies problem is becoming a terrorist and kill as many as you can. if you drive them out of your country they will inevitably plague another place and it's a culture that is not really fit for living along with any other.

User was temp banned for this post.


See how it says temp banned?
All I see are more and more riots happening from the responses in this thread and elsewhere on the internet. Enjoy another 1100 years of hating each other....


Talking like a true citizen of the only country to be in a continual state of war with someone for the last 30 years.

Enlighten me. Korea was 60 years ago and the largest legitimate war the United States was listed a belligerent in was Grenada, ending within the same year it began.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
amagumo
Profile Joined April 2011
10 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 15:56:07
September 27 2011 15:55 GMT
#194
I don't know if it is a translational error but, from the news site, what does "A crowd of fans" refer to specifically?
m00nchile
Profile Joined July 2010
Slovenia240 Posts
September 27 2011 15:55 GMT
#195
On September 28 2011 00:48 vanhio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2011 00:42 RajaF wrote:
On September 28 2011 00:40 drdreggor wrote:
On September 28 2011 00:26 vanhio wrote:
On September 28 2011 00:05 drdreggor wrote:
On September 27 2011 23:25 vanhio wrote:
But when some of the gypsies refuse to work and are criminals, that isn't racism, that is being USELESS to society.



90% of them refuse to work and the only thing they do is stealing. People who wants only privilegs and no responsibilities are plague to society. Most of them are not paying their bills and still gets water and electricity. Free water and electricity sounds cool right ? Who do you think pays for all of this ? Who do you think pays child support to every 15 years old gipsy girl with 3 childrens ? People here are sick and tired of this SHIT !


Aaaaaaand here we go again. What the FUCK do you know about how many gypsies that won't work? Where do you get your info? Probably from what you believe and have experienced, and various influences such as media and/or friends.

You are making assumptions based on NOTHIN except personal experience and that is not enough to justify expelling a large number of humans, as some of you here sometimes forget the gypsies are.


Well, all-knowing guy who lives in a different world let me tell you this. You don`t live here. You don`t where these gypsies live. You don`t see how many of them are going to school. You don`t KNOW how many of them are in JAIL. You don`t know SHIT to be fair. And not writing these posts to CONVINCE somebody that bulgarian gypsies are bad etc.. We know what they are. WE LIVE WITH THEM, UNLIKE YOU. Feel free to come here and see with your own eyes.

Edit: I don`t think i need EXACT numbers cuz i live here for 25 years and MAYBE i have an idea how things are...


I'm not making wild assumptions though about how 90% of them refuse to work, that's what I'm criticizing; you stating things as facts when you in fact really can't back it up. I'm not claiming to know how the situation actually is, like you are.

And you say you live with them blabla, and think that your opinion therefore can be applied to an entire population, well guess what, your opinion doesn't matter on a larger scale unless you can actively back it up.

Instead of condemning Gypsies, why aren't you condemning all people who murder, rape etc. You don't know any of these numbers, neither do I; but you are acting like you're the one sitting on the truths.


Actually it's not a "wild assumption" friend. The 2001 and 2006 romanian census found that 92% and 94% of the roma population was unemployed and not looking for work.


No point to argue with statistician. You don`t have the numbers, you are wrong. Well i guess living in Bulgaria my whole life, doesnt mean i have an idea about stuff in Bulgaria. No need to reply to this genius.

The hell? He said that the vast majority of gypsies were unemployed and not looking for work. He's not only agreeing there is a problem, he's posting eveidence as well. Why attack a person trying to prove your point?
The above post was made by a noob. Take it as such.
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2717 Posts
September 27 2011 15:57 GMT
#196
People here are missing the point. The reason for the protests had little to do with racism. The actual trigger was the terror caused by a gypsy mobster, who had been protected by the authorities for over a decade. Please read the following very informative post:

On September 27 2011 22:10 speedphlux wrote:
OK, first off, this problem doesn't have any sort of racial hatred to it. It's an act vs. crime and corruption in Bulgaria, rather then vs. gypsies. But sadly it has created a lot of tension in the wrong direction, mainly ticked off by Rupert Murdock's bTV media outlet in here, who are just after cheap sensations.
The main protests were vs. Kiril Rashkov and his family, who plagued the area of over a decade now. The police and the authorities have done nothing to prevent it and the people from that area has risen up to ask for their expulsion from the area.
The murder of the 19 years old boy was the spark that caused that flame to burst out. In the following protests, another young man died due to heart failure (he was reported to have an artificial clamp or w/e on his heart). In the early stages of the protests, a member of the Rashkov family got in a car and drove thru a crowd of people, injuring quite a few. I'm sure about at least 4 police officers who have limbs broken, but I'm sure there are other civilians hurt as well.
After in the initial protests the house and few of the cars of the Rashkov family caught fire, Kiril Rashkov came on television, threatening that he'll "cut the throats" of those responsible and that he'll "call in reinforcements from other gypsy tribes".
In the aftermath, the gypsy head court of justice, known as "The Meshkere", sentenced Kiril Rashkov to death by hanging, but since that court has no real value, the sentence can't be performed and has absolutely no jurisdictial value. The actions of the court mean that pretty much no other gypsy clan would aid the Rashkov family, so there's no ground for racial hatred.
Of course, we have the usual nationalistic parties, trying to "ride the protest", but the people from the area are pretty much neglecting the political side of things. The only political aspect of the whole deal is that all the authorities haven't done their job already and that had to happen.
Gypsies from all over the country are scared to let their kids to school and refuse to go to work themselves, due to random, unorganized, shady activities by nationalistic bikers, but the main line is that this protest isn't targeting the gypsies.
PlaGuE_R
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
France1151 Posts
September 27 2011 15:57 GMT
#197
On September 28 2011 00:53 Mohdoo wrote:
Can someone elaborate on what exactly a gypsy.. is? I don't get it. I'm having a hard time finding a definition which seems to fit what's being talked about in this thread.


a gypsy is so,eone who comes from romania/bulgaria but is actually a different ethnicity, their skin is darker then the romanians/bulgarians. they are a society of thieves, crooks and drug peddlers, they like to live in caravans leeching off of people and robbing them, they will do anything for money and they do not do this out of necessity (gypsie towing caravans with BMW X5 sup) but rather because they like it and are proud of this bullshit crap they pull.

there is only one defense agaisnt gypsies, guard dogs. they hate dogs
TLO FIGHTING | me all in, he drone drone drone, me win - SK.MC | JINROLLED! | KraToss for the win
radscorpion9
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada2252 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 16:00:54
September 27 2011 15:57 GMT
#198
If the gypsies are as bad as those who have experience with them say...then maybe the gypsies should be shipped to an island, similar to how Australia started.

The governments affected should band together, collect a large pool of funds, and surround the gypsy towns with big tin walls. Then they would close in, and place the gypsies into trucks (with food and water of course). And then they could be shipped to an island with a few coconut trees, where they can start their own glorious society . I hope there are actually places left...we need new penal colonies.
Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
September 27 2011 15:57 GMT
#199
On September 28 2011 00:54 PlaGuE_R wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2011 00:46 Motivate wrote:
wow i had no idea about the whole gypsy situation, but that's because i'm in australia

how is it that an entire ethnic group is so hated and fixed in their ways? doesn't seem to be any other ethnic group like this. while indigenous australians are much worse off than other groups in australia, it seems to be largely from a lack of opportunity and historically they were treated terribly. they do get a lot of special treatment now, but it doesn't seem like the right kind of treatment and like gypsies, there have been issues integrating them. but they don't hang together in groups and steal shit. i just don't get how an entire culture can be based around immoral stuff like that. how can people not be generalising here?

also, when people say "gypsy" does it refer to the romani ethnic group or just the subgroup roma?


having lived in australia, i can tell you that aborigens dont get nearly as bad a wrap as gypsies. the general feeling on them was ranging from indifference to mild disgust. come to France, EVERYONE here despise gyspies, there are NO exceptions.

that's true, and the view is generally that indigenous australians are disadvantaged at no fault of their own.

but what i don't understand is how can gypsies be an ethnic group, rather than a culture? it doesn't really make sense how an entire ethnic group can be like that.
vanhio
Profile Joined November 2010
Niue1017 Posts
September 27 2011 15:57 GMT
#200
On September 28 2011 00:55 m00nchile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2011 00:48 vanhio wrote:
On September 28 2011 00:42 RajaF wrote:
On September 28 2011 00:40 drdreggor wrote:
On September 28 2011 00:26 vanhio wrote:
On September 28 2011 00:05 drdreggor wrote:
On September 27 2011 23:25 vanhio wrote:
But when some of the gypsies refuse to work and are criminals, that isn't racism, that is being USELESS to society.



90% of them refuse to work and the only thing they do is stealing. People who wants only privilegs and no responsibilities are plague to society. Most of them are not paying their bills and still gets water and electricity. Free water and electricity sounds cool right ? Who do you think pays for all of this ? Who do you think pays child support to every 15 years old gipsy girl with 3 childrens ? People here are sick and tired of this SHIT !


Aaaaaaand here we go again. What the FUCK do you know about how many gypsies that won't work? Where do you get your info? Probably from what you believe and have experienced, and various influences such as media and/or friends.

You are making assumptions based on NOTHIN except personal experience and that is not enough to justify expelling a large number of humans, as some of you here sometimes forget the gypsies are.


Well, all-knowing guy who lives in a different world let me tell you this. You don`t live here. You don`t where these gypsies live. You don`t see how many of them are going to school. You don`t KNOW how many of them are in JAIL. You don`t know SHIT to be fair. And not writing these posts to CONVINCE somebody that bulgarian gypsies are bad etc.. We know what they are. WE LIVE WITH THEM, UNLIKE YOU. Feel free to come here and see with your own eyes.

Edit: I don`t think i need EXACT numbers cuz i live here for 25 years and MAYBE i have an idea how things are...


I'm not making wild assumptions though about how 90% of them refuse to work, that's what I'm criticizing; you stating things as facts when you in fact really can't back it up. I'm not claiming to know how the situation actually is, like you are.

And you say you live with them blabla, and think that your opinion therefore can be applied to an entire population, well guess what, your opinion doesn't matter on a larger scale unless you can actively back it up.

Instead of condemning Gypsies, why aren't you condemning all people who murder, rape etc. You don't know any of these numbers, neither do I; but you are acting like you're the one sitting on the truths.


Actually it's not a "wild assumption" friend. The 2001 and 2006 romanian census found that 92% and 94% of the roma population was unemployed and not looking for work.


No point to argue with statistician. You don`t have the numbers, you are wrong. Well i guess living in Bulgaria my whole life, doesnt mean i have an idea about stuff in Bulgaria. No need to reply to this genius.

The hell? He said that the vast majority of gypsies were unemployed and not looking for work. He's not only agreeing there is a problem, he's posting eveidence as well. Why attack a person trying to prove your point?


Im just saying its no use to argue with people who only wants numbers. Im not attacking the guy jesus -_-
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