Sexism in gaming culture - Page 37

On September 19 2011 03:19 lorkac wrote:


They use terms that mean male dog to praise people

They use terms that mean female dog to insult people

The fact that female dog is interchangeable with "unpleasant, caustic, or troublesome person" while calling someone a dog is interchangeable with calling someone strong, a leader, knows what he's doing is a problem!

On September 19 2011 03:28 HereticSaint wrote:


Most victims and perpetrators in homicides are male
Male offender/Male victim 65.2%
Male offender/Female victim 22.6%
Female offender/Male victim 9.7%
Female offender/Female victim 2.4%

The gender distribution of homicide victims and offenders differs by type of homicide
For the years 1976-2004 combined -

* Among all homicide victims, females are particularly at risk for intimate killings and sex-related homicides.

Homicide Type by Gender, 1976-2004
Victims Offenders
Male Female Male Female
All homicides 76.5% 23.5% 88.7% 11.3%
Victim/offender relationship
Intimate 36.5% 63.5% 65.3% 34.7%
Family 51.7% 48.3% 70.6% 29.4%
Infanticide 54.5% 45.5% 61.8% 38.2%
Eldercide 58.3% 41.7% 85.3% 14.7%

Circumstances
Felony murder 78.2% 21.8% 93.3% 6.7%
Sex related 18.8% 81.2% 93.6% 6.4%
Drug related 90.1% 9.9% 95.6% 4.4%
Gang related 94.6% 5.4% 98.3% 1.7%
Argument 77.9% 22.1% 85.5% 14.5%
Workplace 78.3% 21.7% 91.1% 8.9%

Weapon
Gun homicide 82.7% 17.3% 91.2% 8.8%
Arson 56.3% 43.7% 79.1% 20.9%
Poison 55.6% 44.4% 63.3% 36.7%


Multiple victims or offenders
Multiple victims 63.1% 36.9% 93.5% 6.5%

Multiple offenders 85.6% 14.4% 91.7% 8.3%

Also, I know exactly what you were doing, you were talking about genders in one line and in the next you moved it to nations. You can't swap it around like that.

On September 19 2011 03:28 lorkac wrote:


Wait what??!?!?!!?

You can say sexist things, but not be sexist? If you're saying sexist things, by definition are you not being sexist?

On September 19 2011 03:33 imallinson wrote:


An I'm sure the numbers for rape are much more gendered. Also as has been said before males don't murder other males because they are males whereas males rape females because they are female.

I didn't try to swap it round, I was trying to use a neutral, to this discussion, subject to explain my point better I could have used anything it's just warring nations was the first thing that popped into my head. There isn't anything specific about nations that makes my point stronger or weaker.

On September 19 2011 03:34 Percutio wrote:

My point is that, especially in this case, you have to personally make a word sexist and give it a gender before it becomes sexist.

Bitch and cock should not have a gender attached to them as insults just because historically they describe animals of a certain sex.

On September 19 2011 03:37 imallinson wrote:


They don't have to have a gender attached to them but they do. Just because the meaning has changed doesn't necessarily mean that that old meaning completely disappears from the word, it still remains as an implication. This is especially the case when the older use of the word is still in use.

On September 19 2011 03:33 imallinson wrote:


An I'm sure the numbers for rape are much more gendered. Also as has been said before males don't murder other males because they are males whereas males rape females because they are female.

I didn't try to swap it round, I was trying to use a neutral, to this discussion, subject to explain my point better I could have used anything it's just warring nations was the first thing that popped into my head. There isn't anything specific about nations that makes my point stronger or weaker.

On September 19 2011 03:35 HereticSaint wrote:


66% isn't enough for you. Can you tell me, oh lord and master of the universe at what percentage should murder begin to effect me as a male. At first I thought you were reasonable, but now you come off just as bad as that other person.

Also, males don't murder other males because they are males? REALLY?

On September 19 2011 02:17 Haemonculus wrote:
Phrases I've heard in vent during some LoL playing just in the last 15 minutes:

"He's coming mid to rape you"
"gonna rape the shit out of..."
"smack a bitch, smack smack smack a bitch"
"fuck this pussy bitch up"

zzzzz

On September 19 2011 02:17 Haemonculus wrote:
Phrases I've heard in vent during some LoL playing just in the last 15 minutes:

"He's coming mid to rape you"
"gonna rape the shit out of..."
"smack a bitch, smack smack smack a bitch"
"fuck this pussy bitch up"


zzzzz

On September 19 2011 03:42 imallinson wrote:


The numbers aren't the most important thing, the intent is. Yes I doubt that happens much. Say for example gun homicide which is 83% male/male. these killing aren't because they are male, it's probably down to gang violence being mainly perpetrated by males. If you look at say murders where it is an intimate relation ship the numbers are much more skewed towards male/female in both directions, this is because there a lot more heterosexual couples. All these murder rates are very circumstantial to the condition they are being perpetrated in.

On September 19 2011 03:37 Percutio wrote:
Ok, I'm not an expert on the subject, but I just had to be trained in this so it should be fresh in my mind.

Males don't necessarily rape females because they are female. Usually there are other factors that cause someone to rape another person. This is weakly supported by the fact that most male on male rapes are not committed by gay men.

Again excuse me if that is off but I had forced training on that like a month ago.

On September 19 2011 03:46 HereticSaint wrote:



America's prison population topped 2 million inmates for the first time in history on June 30, 2002 according to a new report from the Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS).

The 50 states, the District of Columbia and the federal government held 1,355,748 prisoners (two-thirds of the total incarcerated population), and local municipal and county jails held 665,475 inmates.

By midyear 2002, America's jails held 1 in every 142 U.S. residents. Males were incarcerated at the rate of 1,309 inmates per 100,000 U.S. men, while the female incarceration rate was 113 per 100,000 women residents.

Source: Source

Several studies argue that male-male prisoner rape, as well as female-female prisoner rape, might be the most common and least-reported forms of rape, with some studies suggesting such rapes are substantially more common in both per-capita and raw-number totals than male-female rapes in the general population.[2][15][16]

Research from the UK suggests that almost 3% of men reported a non-consensual sexual experience as adults and over 5% of men reported sexual abuse as a child.[17] This does not take into account the possibility of exaggeration or false reports nor of underreporting. Recognition of male on male rape in law has historically been limited; the first successful prosecution for attempted male on male rape in the UK was not until 1995.

Male on male rape has historically been shrouded in secrecy due to the stigma men associate with being raped by other men. According to psychologist Dr Sarah Crome fewer than one in ten male-male rapes are reported. As a group, male rape victims reported a lack of services and support, and legal systems are often ill equipped to deal with this type of crime.[18]

The rape of men by men has been documented as a weapon of terror in warfare.[19]

Statutory female-on-male rape

Several widely publicized cases of female-on-male statutory rape in the United States involved school teachers raping their underage students. (See e.g. Mary Kay Letourneau or Debra Lafave)

In the case of statutory rape, the victim can be legally bound to pay child support to his rapist.[20]
[edit] Non-statutory female-on-male rape

Much like female erectile response and contrary to popular opinion, male erectile response is involuntary,[21][22] meaning that a man need not consent mentally or physically for his penis to become erect and be placed in a woman's vagina. Penetration of a man by a woman is possible through use of a strap-on or other object. Rape of a man by a woman could also occur when limited sexual activities are agreed upon and a man's penis is placed in a woman in violation of the limits that had been set. Rape of a man by a woman is thus possible in several ways.

However, male victims of sexual abuse by females[23] often face social, political, and legal double standards.[24] While gender-neutral laws have combated the older perception that rape never occurs to men,[25] and other laws have eliminated the term altogether,[26] the double standards still remain. Due to these reasons, it is likely being substantially under-reported, with the probable cause being the double standard, or possibly shame.[27]

So, we learned that the most common form of rape is prison rape and it's generally unreported and that a majority of prisoners are male. Therefore we can deduce that a majority of rape is male on male rape. GG.

On September 19 2011 03:49 imallinson wrote:


There are indeed other factors in rape than just male/female. The main one I think is basically having power over another person, this is where most homosexual prison rapes comes from for example. The thing is in the majority of the cases it's men exerting their perceived power over women.

there are plenty of insults that imply masculinity (take "faggot" for example, one of the most commonly used pejoratives in the gaming world) but i'm not writing articles on how unfair that is to all men. a woman who is insulted by the liberal use of "bitch" among 16-24 year old males needs to get a grip.

On September 19 2011 03:52 imallinson wrote:


I'm more talking about the general population, seeing as gamers belong to that group. Prisons will skew the results quite a bit because the type of people who go into prisons are more likely to rape people and also that prisons are completely gendered institutions so men have no chance to rape women.

On September 19 2011 03:55 HereticSaint wrote:


There's literally no point interacting with you. You make analogies based on nations when we are talking about sexism, you say murder is neutral gender, when it isn't and I give you statistics that show otherwise. You hang on the fact that rape is something that happens to females more when it isn't, WHY it happens to males more or is more traumatic/damaging doesn't matter, it does.

On September 19 2011 03:55 lorkac wrote:


Faggot is actually an attack on femininity.

It is looking down at a male for not wanting to subjugate and conquer a female. Because it is understood that a male who does not wish to conquer a female and is weak. In the zeitgheist of society, the only group of people that should want to be dominated sexually by men are female.

This is so much so that the people who are attacked the most for being faggots are flamboyant individuals who act more feminine than males are allowed to by society. The term is used so often a large section of society is able to comfortably use the word faggot to mean weak--but what they really mean is feminine.

On September 19 2011 04:01 imallinson wrote:


The analogy about nations was just that, an analogy, there isn't any reason to attack it like it was my main point. I'm saying murder isn't gender oriented (i.e. people murder people because of circumstance not on their gender). In the general public rape is something that happens more to females by males (also because they are female not just circumstance) and prisons skew the data if included because they are gendered institutions. So males walking down the street will be much less worried about being raped than females walking down the street.

On September 19 2011 03:31 Percutio wrote:

To be fair you could separate the term bitch into two separate words and your argument would devolve. The fact that is used to be used for female dog and now means something else is more of a quirk of the language than a direct correlation especially considering the meaning difference.

Dog is not a term for male dog, it is the term for the animal in general. Not sure how you figure it only refers to men, because it doesn't. Secondly, dog as a praising phrase still insults some people and only recently has become popular to express loyalty and unity. The word dog means that, not male or female attached to dog.

You can also insult someone by calling them your dog as in they are less than you, a pet, or something similar. That is gender neutral and had a different insult attached to it than bitch, something that female dog simply doesn't imply or even relate to.

I will not compare racial terms to supposed sexist or misogynistic terms because they are not the same. However, the word cock is a close example. If you call someone a cock they are usually being mean or idiotic. Cock also means rooster. This does not mean that cock is insulting because you are being called a male chicken instead of just a chicken. Being called a cock has an entirely different meaning from being called a chicken.

On September 19 2011 03:34 Percutio wrote:

My point is that, especially in this case, you have to personally make a word sexist and give it a gender before it becomes sexist.

Bitch and cock should not have a gender attached to them as insults just because historically they describe animals of a certain sex.